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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: What Time Roughly Was The Bedroom Telephone Put In The Kitchen?
« Reply #195 on: May 30, 2020, 01:29:37 PM »
I draw your attention to the fact that the cream Statesman 9003r was not manufactured until 1984, by which time the GPO no longer existed so how come it was able to issue such a phone?
Hah, you got me there, phone expert.
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Offline Caroline

Re: What Time Roughly Was The Bedroom Telephone Put In The Kitchen?
« Reply #196 on: May 30, 2020, 01:47:01 PM »
I can see no reason to assume that it wasn't June who moved the dial phone to the kitchen. It was known to be the receiver she preferred.

Cite?

Offline ISpyWithMyEye

Re: What Time Roughly Was The Bedroom Telephone Put In The Kitchen?
« Reply #197 on: May 31, 2020, 09:07:51 AM »
So you don't know then - I get it.
The digital phone hidden under the pile of magazines - last chance - did you have to press a button to get a tone.

Of course not, and you know that

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Offline ISpyWithMyEye

Re: What Time Roughly Was The Bedroom Telephone Put In The Kitchen?
« Reply #198 on: May 31, 2020, 09:25:10 AM »
No probs. I think Myster's info looks most useful.
So if there's at least two phones that can keep the line open for a length of time simply by taking the receiver off the cradle, then why would Bamber need to manipulate the rotary phone at all? Why did he have to go to the lengths of ensuring that it was specifically the rotary phone that was found off the hook? Was there a functionality on the other phone (beige digital) in the kitchen that precluded it being able to be left off the hook?


Haven’t you grasped it yet?
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Offline ISpyWithMyEye

Re: What Time Roughly Was The Bedroom Telephone Put In The Kitchen?
« Reply #199 on: May 31, 2020, 09:57:07 AM »
It's interesting that the most basic phone was 'off the hook' and last number redial / recall obviously wasn't possible.
In addition, this usually resided elsewhere. That's an awful lot of trouble to go to to ensure the last number couldn't be re-dialled.

Well, let me explain it to you in simple terms so you understand.

There would be two reasons why Jeremy Bamber moved the rotary phone from the bedroom into the kitchen; remember, although he wasn’t a bright psychopath, he wasn’t completely stupid.

The first reason is that he expected to shoot Nevill and June dead in their bed as they lay sleeping.

Mistake number one for him: plans go awry

As Nevill was able to reach the kitchen it should have occurred to the police (had Taff not been thick and dismissed officers concerns) that as Nevill must have attempted to call for help, that meant he had no access to a bedside telephone. They knew he wasn’t shot in the bedroom, so Jeremy had to think up a reason why Nevill didn’t use his bedroom phone, and tried to reach the one in the kitchen instead.

So Jeremy simply moved the bedroom phone into the kitchen, where Nevill was found dead. Jeremy wasn’t expecting to kill Nevill in the kitchen, and he could hardly drag his dead body upstairs, could he?

Does that register with you?


The second reason Jeremy hid the kitchen Statesman phone amongst a pile of magazines was that it wouldn’t be found. Think about it, General, why would anyone in that household hide that phone? That phone which was in perfect working order, as was proven —  why would anyone wrap the long wire round it and hide it? Do you hide your working phones amongst piles of magazines, Hmm? Keep thinking...

And the other reason Jeremy hid that phone was that he murdered his family earlier than 3am. He probably murdered them any time between 1am and 2am. So when his “perfect murder plan” went all wrong, he had to use the phone that didn’t store the “last number redial” in case engineers examined it and detected the exact time the phone call to Goldhanger was made.

Jeremy did call his home number from WHF; allowed his answer phone to connect to the call; waited about 10 seconds; then clicked the cradle buttons down, allowed them to release, and left the receiver by the cradle.

It’s very, very simple.

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Offline ISpyWithMyEye

Re: What Time Roughly Was The Bedroom Telephone Put In The Kitchen?
« Reply #200 on: May 31, 2020, 10:07:08 AM »
He sold phones for a living so one would hope he was capable of differentiating between phones issued to GPO 'subscribers', effectively rented, and phones available for purchase on the open market?

The GPO were still in existence until 1981: they hadn’t ceased YEARS prior to 1984, just three years, Holly — and the majority of households still had GPO issued phones in their homes right throughout the 1980s.

You’ve also missed the fact that when Mr Pike made his statement he was 65-years-old. Old school. Old-fashioned. Used terminology he’d always used throughout his working life. He would have called ALL phones, except privately bought ones made by companies in China or wherever they sourced them “GPO phones”.  Elderly people remain stuck in their ways...
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Re: What Time Roughly Was The Bedroom Telephone Put In The Kitchen?
« Reply #201 on: May 31, 2020, 10:12:30 AM »
The GPO were still in existence until 1981: they hadn’t ceased YEARS prior to 1984, just three years, Holly — and the majority of households still had GPO issued phones in their homes right throughout the 1980s.

You’ve also missed the fact that when Mr Pike made his statement he was 65-years-old. Old school. Old-fashioned. Used terminology he’d always used throughout his working life. He would have called ALL phones, except privately bought ones made by companies in China or wherever they sourced them “GPO phones”.  Elderly people remain stuck in their ways...

A 65 year old is "elderly" ?  You sound like some of our politicians!

You do make a good point re Mr Pike and terminology though----very possible. My mum was still talking about shillings and pence in the 1980's!

Offline ISpyWithMyEye

Re: What Time Roughly Was The Bedroom Telephone Put In The Kitchen?
« Reply #202 on: May 31, 2020, 10:16:08 AM »
What is? To move the phone? It's no trouble at all.

It would be for Genereal with his creaky knees...
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Offline ISpyWithMyEye

Re: What Time Roughly Was The Bedroom Telephone Put In The Kitchen?
« Reply #203 on: May 31, 2020, 10:17:50 AM »
I draw your attention to the fact that the cream Statesman 9003r was not manufactured until 1984, by which time the GPO no longer existed so how come it was able to issue such a phone?

It became BT 🙄

Do you think they sent all their brand new phones to a landfill?
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Offline ISpyWithMyEye

Re: What Time Roughly Was The Bedroom Telephone Put In The Kitchen?
« Reply #204 on: May 31, 2020, 10:20:15 AM »
I draw your attention to the fact that the cream Statesman 9003r was not manufactured until 1984, by which time the GPO no longer existed so how come it was able to issue such a phone?


Why do you speak like this is a courtroom and you’re a QC, Holly?

This is a forum, and you’re not even a court usher,

Objection, your honour!!
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Offline ISpyWithMyEye

Re: What Time Roughly Was The Bedroom Telephone Put In The Kitchen?
« Reply #205 on: May 31, 2020, 10:30:03 AM »
A 65 year old is "elderly" ?  You sound like some of our politicians!

You do make a good point re Mr Pike and terminology though----very possible. My mum was still talking about shillings and pence in the 1980's!

Well, he wasn’t exactly a spring chicken, MrsWah 🕺

All elderly/older/less young/ or however you want to describe an OAP, which 65-year-olds officially become according to parliament and medics, use words and terminology they’ve been brought up with. It’s hard to adapt. When Mr Pike was 62 the GPO became BT. Being old school he would have still called BT the GPO...

He lived in a village where they were even more stuck in their ways, and probably referred to many things as they did when he was a young man in the 1940s.
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Offline G-Unit

Re: What Time Roughly Was The Bedroom Telephone Put In The Kitchen?
« Reply #206 on: May 31, 2020, 02:33:01 PM »
Well, he wasn’t exactly a spring chicken, MrsWah 🕺

All elderly/older/less young/ or however you want to describe an OAP, which 65-year-olds officially become according to parliament and medics, use words and terminology they’ve been brought up with. It’s hard to adapt. When Mr Pike was 62 the GPO became BT. Being old school he would have still called BT the GPO...

He lived in a village where they were even more stuck in their ways, and probably referred to many things as they did when he was a young man in the 1940s.

I find that something of a sweeping assumption about 'elderly' people. Some are stuck in the past and some aren't, in my experience.
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: What Time Roughly Was The Bedroom Telephone Put In The Kitchen?
« Reply #207 on: May 31, 2020, 02:34:49 PM »
I find that something of a sweeping assumption about 'elderly' people. Some are stuck in the past and some aren't, in my experience.
If you were in your 60s in the 80s you were very much “elderly” IMO.  People age much later these days. 
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Offline G-Unit

Re: What Time Roughly Was The Bedroom Telephone Put In The Kitchen?
« Reply #208 on: May 31, 2020, 03:58:04 PM »
If you were in your 60s in the 80s you were very much “elderly” IMO.  People age much later these days.

I agree, but someone could be old-fashioned in some areas and not in others. Selling telephone receivers was a recent development so he must have had to learn all about it for work. Particularly as British Telecom had been threatening in 1981 to cut off subscribers who installed unauthorised telephone equipment.
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: What Time Roughly Was The Bedroom Telephone Put In The Kitchen?
« Reply #209 on: May 31, 2020, 04:01:28 PM »
I agree, but someone could be old-fashioned in some areas and not in others. Selling telephone receivers was a recent development so he must have had to learn all about it for work. Particularly as British Telecom had been threatening in 1981 to cut off subscribers who installed unauthorised telephone equipment.
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=no1t1O90m7MC&pg=PA283&lpg=PA283&dq=when+people+were+allowed+to+buy+telephones+instead+of+renting+uk&source=bl&ots=hFLv-fVKHj&sig=ACfU3U1VJ0DbY-TgZeofcdbudhWq4EHA5g&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEw[Name removed]oZ-mq97pAhVSQMAKHUlLDu8Q6AEwDHoECAsQAQ#v=onepage&q=when%20people%20were%20allowed%20to%20buy%20telephones%20instead%20of%20renting%20uk&f=false
It’s pointless arguing about IMO it as we shall never know one way or the other.
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