What Time Roughly Was The Bedroom Telephone Put In The Kitchen?

[G-Unit]

It’s pointless arguing about IMO it as we shall never know one way or the other.

True. Those who think they know are offering opinion as fact.

[ISpyWithMyEye]

I agree, but someone could be old-fashioned in some areas and not in others. Selling telephone receivers was a recent development so he must have had to learn all about it for work. Particularly as British Telecom had been threatening in 1981 to cut off subscribers who installed unauthorised telephone equipment.
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=no1t1O90m7MC&pg=PA283&lpg=PA283&dq=when+people+were+allowed+to+buy+telephones+instead+of+renting+uk&source=bl&ots=hFLv-fVKHj&sig=ACfU3U1VJ0DbY-TgZeofcdbudhWq4EHA5g&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEw[Name removed]oZ-mq97pAhVSQMAKHUlLDu8Q6AEwDHoECAsQAQ#v=onepage&q=when%20people%20were%20allowed%20to%20buy%20telephones%20instead%20of%20renting%20uk&f=false

Mr Pike was born over a century ago, in 1919.

His business was working on GPO lines and telephones, and at the age of 65, when BT had only been in existence for four years, it would have been second nature for him to refer to all phones, regardless of whether they were push button or rotary, as GPO phones. And the GPO did introduce the Statesman.

I dare say he still referred to BT as the GPO in speech, but when making the statement he had to be precise.

Like I said, people get stuck in their ways...

How many of you you now still call British Telecom, BT?

BT hasn’t been in existence for 14 years — it became OpenReach in 2006; I bet hardly any of you call it OpenReach. I bet you still call it BT...

Whatever, Mr Pike was obviously referring to the Statesman phone, it’s obvious, and it doesn’t even matter...

[G-Unit]

Mr Pike was born over a century ago, in 1919.

His business was working on GPO lines and telephones, and at the age of 65, when BT had only been in existence for four years, it would have been second nature for him to refer to all phones, regardless of whether they were push button or rotary, as GPO phones. And the GPO did introduce the Statesman.

I dare say he still referred to BT as the GPO in speech, but when making the statement he had to be precise.

Like I said, people get stuck in their ways...

How many of you you now still call British Telecom, BT?

BT hasn’t been in existence for 14 years — it became OpenReach in 2006; I bet hardly any of you call it OpenReach. I bet you still call it BT...

Whatever, Mr Pike was obviously referring to the Statesman phone, it’s obvious, and it doesn’t even matter...

Mr Pike's job wasn't 'working on GPO lines and telephones', he was a stationery supplier. His interest in telephones was limited to selling them to those who wanted to replace their rented phones.

[Holly Goodhead]

Mr Pike was born over a century ago, in 1919.

His business was working on GPO lines and telephones, and at the age of 65, when BT had only been in existence for four years, it would have been second nature for him to refer to all phones, regardless of whether they were push button or rotary, as GPO phones. And the GPO did introduce the Statesman.

I dare say he still referred to BT as the GPO in speech, but when making the statement he had to be precise.

Like I said, people get stuck in their ways...

How many of you you now still call British Telecom, BT?

BT hasn’t been in existence for 14 years — it became OpenReach in 2006; I bet hardly any of you call it OpenReach. I bet you still call it BT...

Whatever, Mr Pike was obviously referring to the Statesman phone, it’s obvious, and it doesn’t even matter...

Openreach is a wholly owned subsidiary of BT Group.

The cream Statesman wasn't manufactured until 1984 by which time the GPO had ceased to exist for some 3/4 years.  Facts Mr Pike would be familiar with since he sold phones which in itself was a new concept. 

[ISpyWithMyEye]

Mr Pike's job wasn't 'working on GPO lines and telephones', he was a stationery supplier. His interest in telephones was limited to selling them to those who wanted to replace their rented phones.

He tested and repaired them too; hence why he took the walkabout and Telephone socket to his workshop to test and repair it.

[ISpyWithMyEye]

Openreach is a wholly owned subsidiary of BT Group.

The cream Statesman wasn't manufactured until 1984 by which time the GPO had ceased to exist for some 3/4 years.  Facts Mr Pike would be familiar with since he sold phones which in itself was a new concept.

You’ve deliberately missed the point again...🙄

[ISpyWithMyEye]

Openreach is a wholly owned subsidiary of BT Group.

The cream Statesman wasn't manufactured until 1984 by which time the GPO had ceased to exist for some 3/4 years.  Facts Mr Pike would be familiar with since he sold phones which in itself was a new concept.

OpenReach...

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[Holly Goodhead]

OpenReach...

Openreach Limited runs the UK's digital network.  We're the people who connect homes, schools, hospitals, libraries, businesses - large and small, broadcasters and governments to the world. It's our mission to build the best possible network with the highest quality of service, and make sure that everyone in the UK can be connected.  We're a wholly owned subsidiary of BT Group and our customers are the 650+ communications providers who sell, phone, broadband and Ethernet services to homes and businesses.

https://www.openreach.com/about-us/who-we-are

[G-Unit]

He tested and repaired them too; hence why he took the walkabout and Telephone socket to his workshop to test and repair it.

Mr Pike never claimed to test and repair phones. In the event of problems he ordered replacements, which he had done twice for the cordless phone. The second time was following a complaint by Nevill on 29th July. He didn't deliver it on 5th August because when he tried it at his shop it had the same fault as the one it was meant to replace; something to do with the ring, he said. He simple collected the faulty one and we don't know how the problem was going to be resolved.

It may be that it wasn't the phone which was faulty, but the excess of receivers connected to the WHF line. That could cause ring problems due to something called 'low combined resistance'.
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=no1t1O90m7MC&pg=PA283&lpg=PA283&dq=when+people+were+allowed+to+buy+telephones+instead+of+renting+uk&source=bl&ots=hFLv-fVKHj&sig=ACfU3U1VJ0DbY-TgZeofcdbudhWq4EHA5g&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEw[Name removed]oZ-mq97pAhVSQMAKHUlLDu8Q6AEwDHoECAsQAQ#v=onepage&q=when%20people%20were%20allowed%20to%20buy%20telephones%20instead%20of%20renting%20uk&f=false

[Holly Goodhead]

Mr P run a stationery shop, office supplies etc.  The phone side must have been new since prior to 1982 the GPO had a monopoly on the provision of telephones.

Until 1982 the GPO had a monopoly on the provision of all telephone lines and telephones within the UK, other than in Kingston upon Hull, and so the range was limited.
Customers (known within the GPO as "subs", being short for 'subscribers') did not buy their telephones, they were rented from the GPO, together with the house wiring and the wiring connecting the house to the local network at a connection point known as a DP (distribution point). The majority of DPs were (and still are) at the top of what are still known in the UK as telegraph poles.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GPO_telephones

The cream Statesman wasn't manufactured until 1984 so clearly Mr P was referring to the GPO issued rotary dial phone which he observed in the kitchen on 5th Aug. 

[Caroline]

Mr P run a stationery shop, office supplies etc.  The phone side must have been new since prior to 1982 the GPO had a monopoly on the provision of telephones.

Until 1982 the GPO had a monopoly on the provision of all telephone lines and telephones within the UK, other than in Kingston upon Hull, and so the range was limited.
Customers (known within the GPO as "subs", being short for 'subscribers') did not buy their telephones, they were rented from the GPO, together with the house wiring and the wiring connecting the house to the local network at a connection point known as a DP (distribution point). The majority of DPs were (and still are) at the top of what are still known in the UK as telegraph poles.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GPO_telephones

The cream Statesman wasn't manufactured until 1984 so clearly Mr P was referring to the GPO issued rotary dial phone which he observed in the kitchen on 5th Aug.

Clearly the murders happened in 1985 so it isn't clear which phone  he was talking about  at all.

[Holly Goodhead]

Clearly the murders happened in 1985 so it isn't clear which phone  he was talking about  at all.

He sold phones as part of his business.  Why would he refer to a phone manufactured in 1984 as being GPO issued when the GPO wasn't even in existence in 84?

[Caroline]

He sold phones as part of his business.  Why would he refer to a phone manufactured in 1984 as being GPO issued when the GPO wasn't even in existence in 84?

BT only became the  trading name in April of 1984 - old habits die hard.

[G-Unit]

BT only became the  trading name in April of 1984 - old habits die hard.

It's like every vacuum cleaner was a hoover, but that was because Hoover were the biggest suppliers and most vacuum cleaners looked the same. All phones looked the same too. The GPO rotary dial phone was THE phone for years. No-one would say that about something that was merely a year old, imo.

[Caroline]

It's like every vacuum cleaner was a hoover, but that was because Hoover were the biggest suppliers and most vacuum cleaners looked the same. All phones looked the same too. The GPO rotary dial phone was THE phone for years. No-one would say that about something that was merely a year old, imo.

No one? Wow! If ever there was a sweeping statement - I think that needs backing up!