What Time Roughly Was The Bedroom Telephone Put In The Kitchen?

[steve_trousers]

Look, you've got to follow more of my posts to really understand what I'M SAYING.   No one knows when Nevill finished work, so the others may have gone to bed and left the house unlocked for Nevill.  During the evening someone else turns up to help Nevill.
They go into the house and find Sheila has nutted off.
" Nevill actually made the call while he was accompanied by an apparent non-threatening third party, who then turns against Nevill and sides with Sheila.  Sheila had the gun, had killed her kids and fired the first shot in a suicide attempt, the third-person then gets the gun and shoots Neville and June and in the end fires the fatal shot into Sheila."  He possibly leaves via a window and closes it behind him. (if Jeremy can do it so can someone else).

There was never any other suspect In the WHF investigation. Only Sheila Caffell and Jeremy Bamber. Macdonald was eliminated quickly.

[Robittybob1]

There was never any other suspect In the WHF investigation. Only Sheila Caffell and Jeremy Bamber. Macdonald was eliminated quickly.

That is right.   But I have proof someone else lied about the case.  I am really reluctant to say who I suspect.

It has to do with the guns in the house, who knows the house, and who is also a good marksman.

There was no forensic evidence that Jeremy had committed the crime either, it was just what he had said to Julie.  He might have been lying to Julie and it was evident he was for MacDonald had a watertight alibi (so I've been told).

He lied about MacDonald, so the rest of what he told Julie could be lies as well. 

So just having no forensic evidence is not proof of no third person.   Remember there is real doubt about when the marks on the mantel piece occurred.   Whoever put them there was the perp in my opinion.

[Myster]

I’ve honestly not had that kind of telephone call, that I was so groggy I didn’t know who I was talking to.

There were no signs of forced entry. Jeremy was adamant not vague that that was his father, and nothing has ever come to light In the intervening 35 years of a 3rd party.

Could have been Les Dennis on a good day.  He was at the height of his game in '85.

[Robittybob1]

Could have been Les Dennis on a good day.  He was at the height of his game in '85.

I hadn't heard of him before now but he sure was a hard case. https://youtu.be/FNatm2mBoqI

[APRIL]

Can you explain that to me?  "that phone call eliminated the possibility of a 3rd party"  I can't be certain that it wasn't the third party actually making the call to Jeremy Bamber.

Have you had a call at 3:20 AM where you think you know who you were talking to but later find out you were mistaken?
It would be pretty rare at the best of times to get a phone call at 3:30 AM.  So maybe that has never happened to you.  But how good are you at identifying a caller at any time?  I think we all can make a mistake.

It's not that unusual. Back in the day, I've had calls between 2 and 3am wanting to order food or a taxi!! At that time of the morning, one's senses are immediately on high alert. One's first thought, especially if one has wider family/aging parents/a mentally ill sister? is that there's a problem. It's a mix of relief and irritation to hear a stranger's voice. Just to follow your chain of thought for a moment, just supposing, IF Nevill had made such a call, he'd dialled the wrong number? I'm prepared to bet a stranger would have acted faster than Jeremy.

[Robittybob1]

It's not that unusual. Back in the day, I've had calls between 2 and 3am wanting to order food or a taxi!! At that time of the morning, one's senses are immediately on high alert. One's first thought, especially if one has wider family/aging parents/a mentally ill sister? is that there's a problem. It's a mix of relief and irritation to hear a stranger's voice. Just to follow your chain of thought for a moment, just supposing, IF Nevill had made such a call, he'd dialled the wrong number? I'm prepared to bet a stranger would have acted faster than Jeremy.

Hardly - for there's no address given nor the name of the caller. so how could a stranger do anything?

[APRIL]

Hardly - for there's no address given nor the name of the caller. so how could a stranger do anything?

I'd have called 999. Whilst they probably couldn't have done anything, I, definitely couldn't. However, despite handing the responsibility to someone else, it wouldn't have stopped we worrying on behalf of the caller.

[ISpyWithMyEye]

I knew the 999 calls were recorded.  I had already posted that.  How about telling me something new.
Even that non-emergency call the police made by Jeremy was recorded.  I've heard the actual tape so I believe that to be a fact.

Wrong again, Rob.

Several times.

Firstly, when Jeremy Bamber phoned the local police it was NOT recorded.

You claim you’ve heard it:


“You don't know.  You are making this up.    Obviously he never called 999.  They were recorded but there are no records of local calls in those days”


That, Rob, is a RECONSTRUCTION.

SO you HAVEN’T heard the call at all. Get your facts right. You’re making yourself look daft.

[ISpyWithMyEye]

Look, you've got to follow more of my posts to really understand what I'M SAYING.   No one knows when Nevill finished work, so the others may have gone to bed and left the house unlocked for Nevill.  During the evening someone else turns up to help Nevill. [That is after Jeremy calls it a night at 9:45 PM.]
They go into the house and find Sheila has nutted off.
" Nevill actually made the call while he was accompanied by an apparent non-threatening third party, who then turns against Nevill and sides with Sheila.  Sheila had the gun, had killed her kids and fired the first shot in a suicide attempt, the third-person then gets the gun and shoots Neville and June and in the end fires the fatal shot into Sheila."  He possibly leaves via a window and closes it behind him. (if Jeremy can do it so can someone else).

You’re doing this on purpose — you must be!

This has all been established 35 years ago, and now you’re coming out with laughable scenarios which make you look like you’re two jellies short of a picnic.

I can’t be bothered to EXPLAIN every single point, as they’re too ludicrous: such as, if they all got shot around 10pm why did Nevill supposedly wait until 3am to phone his useless tosspot of a lazy thieving son?

Nor can I be bothered to explain it to you like I would to a 4-year-old that the “bad evil man climbed through a window at around 10pm after killing everyone instead of walking through the unlocked doors”

FGS! You’re either taking the piss big time, or you have some kind of condition

[Robittybob1]

Wrong again, Rob.

Several times.

Firstly, when Jeremy Bamber phoned the local police it was NOT recorded.

You claim you’ve heard it:


“You don't know.  You are making this up.    Obviously he never called 999.  They were recorded but there are no records of local calls in those days”


That, Rob, is a RECONSTRUCTION.

SO you HAVEN’T heard the call at all. Get your facts right. You’re making yourself look daft.

OK you might be right.  It could be a reconstruction.

[APRIL]

Wrong again, Rob.

Several times.

Firstly, when Jeremy Bamber phoned the local police it was NOT recorded.

You claim you’ve heard it:


“You don't know.  You are making this up.    Obviously he never called 999.  They were recorded but there are no records of local calls in those days”


That, Rob, is a RECONSTRUCTION.

SO you HAVEN’T heard the call at all. Get your facts right. You’re making yourself look daft.

It's my understanding that calls to those stations large enough to warrant -and Chelmsford was- taped all incoming calls for reference, but they were only kept for a limited time. What Rob heard would have been a reconstruction taken from logs.

[ISpyWithMyEye]

That is right.   But I have proof someone else lied about the case.  I am really reluctant to say who I suspect.

It has to do with the guns in the house, who knows the house, and who is also a good marksman.

There was no forensic evidence that Jeremy had committed the crime either, it was just what he had said to Julie.  He might have been lying to Julie and it was evident he was for MacDonald had a watertight alibi (so I've been told).

He lied about MacDonald, so the rest of what he told Julie could be lies as well. 

So just having no forensic evidence is not proof of no third person.   Remember there is real doubt about when the marks on the mantel piece occurred.   Whoever put them there was the perp in my opinion.

Just how much BS can you conjure up?!

To say you have “proof” someone else lied the case is embarrassing! You know nothing. You don’t even know about the case.

How could you, out in NZ have “proof” that no-one else has? You’re turning this thread into a laughingstock — especially when you then say “I suspect”.

The ONLY thing you’re right about is that the perp, Jeremy Bamber, did indeed put the markers under the mantel — unwittingly — when he and Nevill fought over the rifle. Thick JB didn’t realise the silencer had scratched the underside in the fierce struggle, and scientists confirmed that the patterns of the markings were caused by a struggle too.

You don’t have to be particularly sharp to see that, either...check the markings and how they were made & in what direction. Dead simple.

[Robittybob1]

Police log of Jeremy's call at 3:36 AM

http://twitpic.com/bz3ibk


Police log of "another call"

 
https://twitpic.com/6qkaq9

I don't think there was two calls at all.

[ISpyWithMyEye]

Police log of Jeremy's call at 3:36 AM



Police log of "another call"

You’ve posted blank squares...a bit like your profile pic

[Robittybob1]

You’ve posted blank squares...a bit like your profile pic

I've just fixed them up.