What Time Roughly Was The Bedroom Telephone Put In The Kitchen?

[Robittybob1]

Just how much BS can you conjure up?!

To say you have “proof” someone else lied the case is embarrassing! You know nothing. You don’t even know about the case.

How could you, out in NZ have “proof” that no-one else has? You’re turning this thread into a laughingstock — especially when you then say “I suspect”.

The ONLY thing you’re right about is that the perp, Jeremy Bamber, did indeed put the markers under the mantel — unwittingly — when he and Nevill fought over the rifle. Thick JB didn’t realise the silencer had scratched the underside in the fierce struggle, and scientists confirmed that the patterns of the markings were caused by a struggle too.

You don’t have to be particularly sharp to see that, either...check the markings and how they were made & in what direction. Dead simple.

Do you know what your problem is?  You are so fixated that the perp was JB you fail to see errors in other people's statements. 
If for a moment you stopped and thought who else could have done this you might start to see it.  But I think it will be impossible to say it outright but I'll try and lead you all to examine the disturbing errors in the 3 witness statements.  OK I might still be wrong but we will try and look at it.

[APRIL]

Police log of Jeremy's call at 3:36 AM



Police log of "another call"

That's right. Jeremy's call, received and written down by Bonnett, a civilian police worker in the call room, was passed, verbally, via "another call" from Bonnett to West, who wrote similar, but not the same words.

I can't tell you how many times this has been discussed. It's what supporters repeatedly pull out of the hat as being "proof" that Nevill called. It appears to have bypassed their brains that it would be very odd for him to make an urgent -mentally ill daughter having hold of a loaded gun!!- call, using an 8 digit number when there was the availability of the 999 emergency number.

[Robittybob1]

That's right. Jeremy's call, received and written down by Bonnett, a civilian police worker in the call room, was passed, verbally, via "another call" from Bonnett to West, who wrote similar, but not the same words.

I can't tell you how many times this has been discussed. It's what supporters repeatedly pull out of the hat as being "proof" that Nevill called. It appears to have bypassed their brains that it would be very odd for him to make an urgent -mentally ill daughter having hold of a loaded gun!!- call, using an 8 digit number when there was the availability of the 999 emergency number.

Sheila may have already shot herself (the first time) when that call was made.  If so she wasn't running around.

[APRIL]

Do you know what your problem is?  You are so fixated that the perp was JB you fail to see errors in other people's statements. 
If for a moment you stopped and thought who else could have done this you might start to see it.  But I think it will be impossible to say it outright but I'll try and lead you all to examine the disturbing errors in the 3 witness statements.  OK I might still be wrong but we will try and look at it.

OR!!!.......... Might it be that you've become fixated on the culprit being ANYone other than Jeremy Bamber? You're suggesting discrepancies in witness statements could indicate his innocence, but appear to fail to see that discrepancies in Jeremy's witness statements indicate guilt.

[ISpyWithMyEye]

It's not that unusual. Back in the day, I've had calls between 2 and 3am wanting to order food or a taxi!! At that time of the morning, one's senses are immediately on high alert. One's first thought, especially if one has wider family/aging parents/a mentally ill sister? is that there's a problem. It's a mix of relief and irritation to hear a stranger's voice. Just to follow your chain of thought for a moment, just supposing, IF Nevill had made such a call, he'd dialled the wrong number? I'm prepared to bet a stranger would have acted faster than Jeremy.

April,

We all know Nevill (nor anyone else) phoned Jeremy between 3 to 3:25am that morning.

Besides Nevill already being dead, and when he was alive in the kitchen he was unable to speak, and despite the ridiculous idea of JB’s supporters that Nevill would’ve called him of all people in a dire emergency is sheer lunacy. In a dire emergency all thoughts of “what will the vicar say” don’t enter your mind: your wife has been shot dead or critically injured, your daughter is going berserk with a loaded rifle; you’ve been shot four times in the mouth, neck, shoulder...the ONLY people you NEED and want are paramedics and police. It’s not like it can all be hushed up. So all that nonsense they spout isn’t even worth responding to.

Whatever...HAD Nevill called Jeremy, and according to Jeremy he was upstairs in bed sleeping like a log, by the TIME he’d have heard the phone ringing downstairs it would have had to of rung a MINIMUM of 4/5 times to rouse him. Even when your phone next to you in bed rings when you’re asleep, it takes a good few rings to wake you. Always.

For all we know, his phone may not have even been that loud, which further reduces the chances of it waking him upstairs while he was supposedly in a deep sleep, exhausted after a long day’s work.

But let’s assume he had miraculous hearing and heard that downstairs phone ringing, by the time he roused, got up, stumbled downstairs all confused and concerned, his answer machine would have collected that call before he had chance to answer it.

We had a high tech answer machine back in the 1980s and like all the other machines we looked at, they all had the same facility whereby it rang a certain amount of rings before automatically answering the call. I can’t say for certain as it was so long ago, but I seem to recall we had a choice of six rings, eight , or 10 max. All machines were the same. They were set to answer no longer than 10 rings to avoid missing calls.

That means, Jeremy could NOT have reached that phone before the answerphone kicked in. He could not have been roused from his sleep (say, 4/5 rings), sat up in bed, got up, walked out the bedroom, walked downstairs and picked it up. He couldn’t have. The AM would’ve already kicked in.

So why didn’t Nevill leave a message?

And if Jeremy cut in and interrupted the answer machine (which you could do) it would have still been recording; it would have recorded his conversation with Nevill.

So the fact there was never any recording on the answer machine is also proof that neither Nevill, or anyone else, rang him.

The only call made to Goldhanger was by Jeremy himself who called his home number after murdering everyone, let it ring a few times before the answer machine kicked in, and then he cut the call off leaving his line at Goldhanger free. He left the phone off the hook at WHF deliberately, to “show” the police he couldn’t get back to Nevill after he pretended to phone him back.

[Robittybob1]

OR!!!.......... Might it be that you've become fixated on the culprit being ANYone other than Jeremy Bamber? You're suggesting discrepancies in witness statements could indicate his innocence, but appear to fail to see that discrepancies in Jeremy's witness statements indicate guilt.

I don't think so, I can't understand the reasons that Jeremy uses for his appeals

1. He tries to make out Sheila did it.  I say someone else shot Sheila.

2. He says there were two phone calls based on the Police logs but clearly they are the one and the same call from the son.


OK what are his discrepancies in his statements?  Surely there is a thread about them?

[mrswah]

Any normal person receiving a call from their father at 3am, saying their sister had gone berserk with the gun, and then the line was cut off would IMMEDIATELY dial 999.

They’d possibly also call one of the neighbours/farm workers/the Boutflours/Eaton’s who ALL lived on the same land and warned them Sheila had the gun & was going crazy, so to be careful in case she came after them. Or he could have asked them to make headway carefully and be on alert until he and the police arrived.

Why didn’t he do that,eh?

But we can't say what "anybody" would do; we can only say what "we"would do.

[Robittybob1]

But we can't say what "anybody" would do; we can only say what "we"would do.

The caller told him what to do "come over".  His father tells him what to do, so why does he even call the police?
He wasn't instructed to call the police.

So is he aware of something over and above the message he has received?  How could he know there was something else going on?

[APRIL]

I don't think so, I can't understand the reasons that Jeremy uses for his appeals

1. He tries to make out Sheila did it.  I say someone else shot Sheila.

2. He says there were two phone calls based on the Police logs but clearly they are the one and the same call from the son.


OK what are his discrepancies in his statements?  Surely there is a thread about them?

Does it not occur to you that, because he'd planned the whole thing around Sheila in order to make her appear culpable, he has to keep that thought alive?

He has a whole -albeit, changing- team around him, thinking up ways to get him out. An unrevealed call from Nevill to police, given that Bonnett wrote one, and West wrote another, provided an opportunity.

Off the top of my head, the timings of his phone calls for one.

[G-Unit]

April,

We all know Nevill (nor anyone else) phoned Jeremy between 3 to 3:25am that morning.

Besides Nevill already being dead, and when he was alive in the kitchen he was unable to speak, and despite the ridiculous idea of JB’s supporters that Nevill would’ve called him of all people in a dire emergency is sheer lunacy. In a dire emergency all thoughts of “what will the vicar say” don’t enter your mind: your wife has been shot dead or critically injured, your daughter is going berserk with a loaded rifle; you’ve been shot four times in the mouth, neck, shoulder...the ONLY people you NEED and want are paramedics and police. It’s not like it can all be hushed up. So all that nonsense they spout isn’t even worth responding to.

Everything you have written above is opinion. You don't know that Nevill was unable to speak, you don't know what he was thinking and you don't know that his wife had already been shot. Therefore your arguments are not sustainable.

Whatever...HAD Nevill called Jeremy, and according to Jeremy he was upstairs in bed sleeping like a log, by the TIME he’d have heard the phone ringing downstairs it would have had to of rung a MINIMUM of 4/5 times to rouse him. Even when your phone next to you in bed rings when you’re asleep, it takes a good few rings to wake you. Always.

For all we know, his phone may not have even been that loud, which further reduces the chances of it waking him upstairs while he was supposedly in a deep sleep, exhausted after a long day’s work.

But let’s assume he had miraculous hearing and heard that downstairs phone ringing, by the time he roused, got up, stumbled downstairs all confused and concerned, his answer machine would have collected that call before he had chance to answer it.

Did Jeremy Bamber have an answerphone?

We had a high tech answer machine back in the 1980s and like all the other machines we looked at, they all had the same facility whereby it rang a certain amount of rings before automatically answering the call. I can’t say for certain as it was so long ago, but I seem to recall we had a choice of six rings, eight , or 10 max. All machines were the same. They were set to answer no longer than 10 rings to avoid missing calls.

That means, Jeremy could NOT have reached that phone before the answerphone kicked in. He could not have been roused from his sleep (say, 4/5 rings), sat up in bed, got up, walked out the bedroom, walked downstairs and picked it up. He couldn’t have. The AM would’ve already kicked in.

Only if there was an answerphone.

So why didn’t Nevill leave a message?

And if Jeremy cut in and interrupted the answer machine (which you could do) it would have still been recording; it would have recorded his conversation with Nevill.

So the fact there was never any recording on the answer machine is also proof that Nevill, or anyone else, rang him.

The only call made to Goldhanger was by Jeremy himself who called his home number after murdering everyone, let it ring a few times before the answer machine kicked in, and then he cut the call off leaving his line at Goldhanger free. He left the phone off the hook at WHF deliberately, to “show” the police he couldn’t get back to Nevill after he pretended to phone him back.

More opinion.

Answers above.

[APRIL]

Answers above.

How has it bypassed you that Jeremy did have an answering machine?

[mrswah]

The caller told him what to do "come over".  His father tells him what to do, so why does he even call the police?
He wasn't instructed to call the police.

So is he aware of something over and above the message he has received?  How could he know there was something else going on?

Just supposing that Sheila HAD got hold of a gun, and Nevill was afraid of what she might do with it. He calls Jeremy, in the hope that he'll come over and calm Sheila down (for all we know, he might have been "summoned" to calm Sheila down on previous occasions).

He might be afraid of what he could be walking into, so is it such an outlandish notion that he would ring the police first?

[Robittybob1]

How has it bypassed you that Jeremy did have an answering machine?

How did anyone work out that Jeremy had an answering machine?

I suppose it is easy enough to check, just ring his number when he isn't home.

[Robittybob1]

Just supposing that Sheila HAD got hold of a gun, and Nevill was afraid of what she might do with it. He calls Jeremy, in the hope that he'll come over and calm Sheila down (for all we know, he might have been "summoned" to calm Sheila down on previous occasions).

He might be afraid of what he could be walking into, so is it such an outlandish notion that he would ring the police first?

But is it a crime to just let Sheila have time to deal to his father and mother?  I know it is rather an immoral question but is this an actual crime?
The police were very reluctant to enter or even approach the property until sufficient force and skilled personnel were there.

[APRIL]

How did anyone work out that Jeremy had an answering machine?

I suppose it is easy enough to check, just ring his number when he isn't home.

That would suppose thern knew him well enough to have his number.