What Time Roughly Was The Bedroom Telephone Put In The Kitchen?

[APRIL]

Sheila may have already shot herself (the first time) when that call was made.  If so he wasn't running around.

So he has his daughter who's shot herself and he phones a local police number rather than calling an ambulance? Where did I say anything about him "running around"? I'm happy to debate anything feasible but please don't insult my intelligence.

[Robittybob1]

That would suppose thern knew him well enough to have his number.

Don't you have directory service in the UK? 

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=6654.msg275868#msg275868  Caroline says she knows he had an answering machine but he says it was turned off.

[APRIL]

Just supposing that Sheila HAD got hold of a gun, and Nevill was afraid of what she might do with it. He calls Jeremy, in the hope that he'll come over and calm Sheila down (for all we know, he might have been "summoned" to calm Sheila down on previous occasions).

He might be afraid of what he could be walking into, so is it such an outlandish notion that he would ring the police first?

If he'd been so afraid of what he'd find, why did he wait 20+ minutes before calling police?

[APRIL]

Don't you have directory service in the UK? 

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=6654.msg275868#msg275868  Caroline says she knows he had an answering machine but he says it was turned off.

Yes, but that wouldn't have been of any use if he'd been ex directory.

[APRIL]

Yes, but that wouldn't have been of any use if he'd been ex directory.

Just a thought. Your alternative culprit theories would/might carry more weight if you suggested motives. Jeremy's needs no explanation.

[Myster]

Could someone please clarify whether there was an answering-machine functional at Bourtree at the time of the alleged phone call.  I've read so much about one, but been unable to pinpoint mention of any being present in any witness statements.

[Robittybob1]

Just a thought. Your alternative culprit theories would/might carry more weight if you suggested motives. Jeremy's needs no explanation.

Same motive maybe.  Tricky to go down that road as it quickly becomes libel.  It is an interesting thought though and an old one where partners work together to commit a crime but at some stage, they turn on each other as well.  (Old movies of bank robbers working as a team and then one shoots the rest to get all the money for himself.)

So Jeremy ringing the police would get the "alternative culprit" in trouble if he hadn't left the building in time.
But things like leaving the silencer to Jeremy's gun and scratching the mantelpiece with the silencer could be part of the "alternative culprit's" revenge for Jeremy calling the police.

[APRIL]

Same motive maybe.  Tricky to go down that road as it quickly becomes libel.  It is an interesting thought though and an old one where partners work together to commit a crime but at some stage, they turn on each other as well.  (Old movies of bank robbers working as a team and then one shoots the rest to get all the money for himself.)

So Jeremy ringing the police would get the "alternative culprit" in trouble if he hadn't left the building in time.
But things like leaving the silencer to Jeremy's gun and scratching the mantelpiece with the silencer could be part of the "alternative culprit's" revenge for Jeremy calling the police.

So we're left with a situation in which neither Jeremy, culprit, nor Jeremy and co-culprit, get a penny, but Jeremy ends up with a life sentence and co-culprit goes free. Why doesn't Jeremy speak up? He's there for life. He has nothing to loose.

[Robittybob1]

So we're left with a situation in which neither Jeremy, culprit, nor Jeremy and co-culprit, get a penny, but Jeremy ends up with a life sentence and co-culprit goes free. Why doesn't Jeremy speak up? He's there for life. He has nothing to loose.

Jeremy can't admit to a conspiracy.   In the current scenario, Jeremy is innocent as he didn't shoot anyone.

[APRIL]

Jeremy can't admit to a conspiracy.   In the current scenario, Jeremy is innocent as he didn't shoot anyone.

Same motive maybe.  Tricky to go down that road as it quickly becomes libel.  It is an interesting thought though and an old one where partners work together to commit a crime but at some stage, they turn on each other as well.  (Old movies of bank robbers working as a team and then one shoots the rest to get all the money for himself.)

So Jeremy ringing the police would get the "alternative culprit" in trouble if he hadn't left the building in time.
But things like leaving the silencer to Jeremy's gun and scratching the mantelpiece with the silencer could be part of the "alternative culprit's" revenge for Jeremy calling the police.

According to the above, Jeremy had a partner in crime. How would said partner know of Jeremy's call to police? What was said partner hanging around for after the deed was done?

[Robittybob1]

According to the above, Jeremy had a partner in crime. How would said partner know of Jeremy's call to police? What was said partner hanging around for after the deed was done?

If there was only one phone call made by Nevill to Jeremy and then 20 minutes later who turns up but the police.  It doesn't take too much intelligence to work out that it was Jeremy who must have called the police.

"Jeremy had a partner in crime". Jeremy will never admit to that so that is bordering on libel.  Is it possible to libel Jeremy Bamber?  I don't really think anyone other than Jeremy would care.

Maybe the third person was hoping to eliminate JB as well.  Had Jeremy followed Nevill's instruction and came around without alerting the police maybe that was on the cards, so the third person had to wait to see if Jeremy turns up alone first.

How does this "third person"get out of the house when the police are there?  I thought from the Jonbenet research that maybe he hides within the house for a day or so.
If that was the case this person would have a dodgy alibi for a day or so too.

Who has a dodgy alibi for the next 24 hours?

[APRIL]

If there was only one phone call made by Nevill to Jeremy and then 20 minutes later who turns up but the police.  It doesn't take too much intelligence to work out that it was Jeremy who must have called the police.

"Jeremy had a partner in crime". Jeremy will never admit to that so that is bordering on libel.  Is it possible to libel Jeremy Bamber?  I don't really think anyone other than Jeremy would care.

Maybe the third person was hoping to eliminate JB as well.  Had Jeremy followed Nevill's instruction and came around without alerting the police maybe that was on the cards, so the third person had to wait to see if Jeremy turns up alone first.

I think you'll find that it was some 40 minutes after Nevill's alleged call that the police arrived.

[Robittybob1]

I think you'll find that it was some 40 minutes after Nevill's alleged call that the police arrived.

I was not trying to be accurate there for I have not committed those facts to my memory.  But I recall the police logged the call at 03:36 AM IIRC.  But Jeremy was very cagy about whether he called Julie before he rang the police or the other way around.  So how can we say when Nevill rang Jeremy?
 
So when do the police say they arrived at WHF?

Do you think Julie told him to ring the police?

[Caroline]

Could someone please clarify whether there was an answering-machine functional at Bourtree at the time of the alleged phone call.  I've read so much about one, but been unable to pinpoint mention of any being present in any witness statements.

There was indeed, it's on a list of things the police took. I'll try and find it but it might take a while

I have found this reference to it which means he DID use it;

"Virginia Greaves had left a message on the answer machine at Bourtree Cottage. She and Jeremy had dated briefly"

Lee, Carol Ann. The Murders at White House Farm: Jeremy Bamber and the killing of his family. The definitive investigation. (p. 259). Pan Macmillan. Kindle Edition.

[ISpyWithMyEye]

I've just fixed them up.

You said two calls were RECORDED and you’d listened to them.

That isn’t true, is it?

There are NO recordings of JB phoning the local police. None.

There’s only the ONE LOG which the PO wrote down, and a SECOND  log  where ANOTHER PO paraphrased what the first officer told HIM.

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