What Time Roughly Was The Bedroom Telephone Put In The Kitchen?

[Robittybob1]

So he has his daughter who's shot herself and he phones a local police number rather than calling an ambulance? Where did I say anything about him "running around"? I'm happy to debate anything feasible but please don't insult my intelligence.

I meant to write: "Sheila may have already shot herself (the first time) when that call was made.  If so SHE wasn't running around."   Not "Sheila may have already shot herself (the first time) when that call was made.  If so he wasn't running around." 
Sheila wasn't running around with a gun, as she had shot herself and was paralysed.  Nevill might have thought she was deceased at that stage at the time of making his call to Jeremy.

[ISpyWithMyEye]

Jeremy can't admit to a conspiracy.   In the current scenario, Jeremy is innocent as he didn't shoot anyone.

Of course he can’t.

But he’s tried every trick in the book to try and worm out of jail, so why on earth wouldn’t he say “Actually, I have good reason to believe it wasn’t Sheila who killed everyone, it was xxxx. Xxxx told me they planned to kill them all but I didn’t believe them.”

Why has he never come out with that?

And why blame it all on himself to Julie if it wasn’t him?

You’re getting more deluded as time goes on

[ISpyWithMyEye]

According to the above, Jeremy had a partner in crime. How would said partner know of Jeremy's call to police? What was said partner hanging around for after the deed was done?

Why are you quoting YOURSELF, and answering with an affirmation?!😳

That’s YOUR hypothesis.

And there was no-one hanging around...

FGS, I’m muting you...

[Robittybob1]

Of course he can’t.

But he’s tried every trick in the book to try and worm out of jail, so why on earth wouldn’t he say “Actually, I have good reason to believe it wasn’t Sheila who killed everyone, it was xxxx. Xxxx told me they planned to kill them all but I didn’t believe them.”

Why has he never come out with that?

And why blame it all on himself to Julie if it wasn’t him?

You’re getting more deluded as time goes on

And why blame it all on himself to Julie if it wasn’t him?
That is a good question but in most countries, a self-confession is not treated as evidence, there has to be some forensic evidence to back up a confession. 

[ISpyWithMyEye]

If there was only one phone call made by Nevill to Jeremy and then 20 minutes later who turns up but the police.  It doesn't take too much intelligence to work out that it was Jeremy who must have called the police.

"Jeremy had a partner in crime". Jeremy will never admit to that so that is bordering on libel.  Is it possible to libel Jeremy Bamber?  I don't really think anyone other than Jeremy would care.

Maybe the third person was hoping to eliminate JB as well.  Had Jeremy followed Nevill's instruction and came around without alerting the police maybe that was on the cards, so the third person had to wait to see if Jeremy turns up alone first.

How does this "third person"get out of the house when the police are there?  I thought from the Jonbenet research that maybe he hides within the house for a day or so.
If that was the case this person would have a dodgy alibi for a day or so too.

Who has a dodgy alibi for the next 24 hours?

If Jeremy had a partner in crime why would he have been scared to turn up at WHF?

Why would he have called police in order for them to catch his partner in crime?

Why would he chance his partner in crime squealing on him?


Everything you say can be destroyed in a few words.

[ISpyWithMyEye]

I think you are very wrong on this point.  There are 3 other witness statements that are contradictory.

None that myself or anyone else has ever seen. And that includes top QCs.

You’re just a conspiracist. You WANT to believe someone else was involved for some strange reason, and you should concentrate more on why that is rather than taxing your brain trying to crack a nut that was broken 35 years ago

[Myster]

There was indeed, it's on a list of things the police took. I'll try and find it but it might take a while

I have found this reference to it which means he DID use it;

"Virginia Greaves had left a message on the answer machine at Bourtree Cottage. She and Jeremy had dated briefly"

Lee, Carol Ann. The Murders at White House Farm: Jeremy Bamber and the killing of his family. The definitive investigation. (p. 259). Pan Macmillan. Kindle Edition.

Aah, OK... I thought it might have originated from that font of all useless knowledge - the Barnsley burglar.

Odd that Stan Jones et al. didn't question its existence in the first interviews, unless there are other transcripts which haven't been uploaded.

[Robittybob1]

If Jeremy had a partner in crime why would he have been scared to turn up at WHF?

Why would he have called police in order for them to catch his partner in crime?

Why would he chance his partner in crime squealing on him?


Everything you say can be destroyed in a few words.

Was it going to plan?  Didn't Julie say Jeremy said it was going to plan.  Cross and double-cross.  Well had it gone to plan Jeremy had not murdered anyone.  So why would the police arrest him?  But is he innocent?  He appears to be in the absence of forensic evidence.

[Robittybob1]

None that myself or anyone else has ever seen. And that includes top QCs.

You’re just a conspiracist. You WANT to believe someone else was involved for some strange reason, and you should concentrate more on why that is rather than taxing your brain trying to crack a nut that was broken 35 years ago

It is like what some authors write about, there being two guns used in the killings, as the bullets have different patterns on their surfaces, and some of the bullets being overweight.  Where did they come from? 
So who is really looking for mixed up statements about the presence or absence of guns?

[G-Unit]

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Re: What Time Roughly Was The Bedroom Telephone Put In The Kitchen?
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Quote from: Ispywithmybigeye on June 12, 2020, 09:32:36 AM

April,

We all know Nevill (nor anyone else) phoned Jeremy between 3 to 3:25am that morning.

Besides Nevill already being dead, and when he was alive in the kitchen he was unable to speak, and despite the ridiculous idea of JB’s supporters that Nevill would’ve called him of all people in a dire emergency is sheer lunacy. In a dire emergency all thoughts of “what will the vicar say” don’t enter your mind: your wife has been shot dead or critically injured, your daughter is going berserk with a loaded rifle; you’ve been shot four times in the mouth, neck, shoulder...the ONLY people you NEED and want are paramedics and police. It’s not like it can all be hushed up. So all that nonsense they spout isn’t even worth responding to.

Everything you have written above is opinion. You don't know that Nevill was unable to speak, you don't know what he was thinking and you don't know that his wife had already been shot. Therefore your arguments are not sustainable.

Whatever...HAD Nevill called Jeremy, and according to Jeremy he was upstairs in bed sleeping like a log, by the TIME he’d have heard the phone ringing downstairs it would have had to of rung a MINIMUM of 4/5 times to rouse him. Even when your phone next to you in bed rings when you’re asleep, it takes a good few rings to wake you. Always.

For all we know, his phone may not have even been that loud, which further reduces the chances of it waking him upstairs while he was supposedly in a deep sleep, exhausted after a long day’s work.

But let’s assume he had miraculous hearing and heard that downstairs phone ringing, by the time he roused, got up, stumbled downstairs all confused and concerned, his answer machine would have collected that call before he had chance to answer it.

Everything you have written above is opinion. You don't know that Nevill was unable to speak, you don't know what he was thinking and you don't know that his wife had already been shot. Therefore your arguments are not sustainable. ?

We had a high tech answer machine back in the 1980s and like all the other machines we looked at, they all had the same facility whereby it rang a certain amount of rings before automatically answering the call. I can’t say for certain as it was so long ago, but I seem to recall we had a choice of six rings, eight , or 10 max. All machines were the same. They were set to answer no longer than 10 rings to avoid missing calls.

That means, Jeremy could NOT have reached that phone before the answerphone kicked in. He could not have been roused from his sleep (say, 4/5 rings), sat up in bed, got up, walked out the bedroom, walked downstairs and picked it up. He couldn’t have. The AM would’ve already kicked in.

Only if there was an answerphone.

So why didn’t Nevill leave a message?

And if Jeremy cut in and interrupted the answer machine (which you could do) it would have still been recording; it would have recorded his conversation with Nevill.

So the fact there was never any recording on the answer machine is also proof that Nevill, or anyone else, rang him.

The only call made to Goldhanger was by Jeremy himself who called his home number after murdering everyone, let it ring a few times before the answer machine kicked in, and then he cut the call off leaving his line at Goldhanger free. He left the phone off the hook at WHF deliberately, to “show” the police he couldn’t get back to Nevill after he pretended to phone him back.”



The highlighter on here won’t seem to work for me, but my answers to YOUR replies es, Gunit, are:


“ Everything you have written above is opinion. You don't know that Nevill was unable to speak, you don't know what he was thinking and you don't know that his wife had already been shot. Therefore your arguments are not sustainable. ”



None of what I’ve written is opinion — it’s FACT.

FORENSICS PROVED that Nevill was first shot upstairs, meaning he was unable to SPEAK once he got down to the kitchen.

Are you refuting that? Are you saying those pathologists, ballistics and forensics were all wrong!


“Did Jeremy have an answerphone “

Yes, he did. Read the case.




“Everything you have written above is opinion. You don't know that Nevill was unable to speak, you don't know what he was thinking and you don't know that his wife had already been shot. Therefore your arguments are not sustainable”


Again, Gunit. None of what I’ve said is opinion. It’s FACT.

Nevill could NOT speak when he got down to the kitchen, but you’d know better than a professor of pathology, yes?

It’s also FACT that when Jeremy went into the master bedroom both Nevill and June were in bed.

It’s also fact Jeremy shot June when she was still IN bed. Are you suggesting Nevill didn’t NOTICE that?!


I’ve no idea how you brain is wired up but if you can’t work out the simplest of facts when they’ve been handed to you on a plate by experts, you ought to take up some kind of hobby that requires less thought process.

Your claims that you know the facts is getting ridiculous. Telling other members to find the evidence to support YOUR claims is unacceptable. None of your claims are facts unless and until YOU supply evidence to support them.

[Holly Goodhead]

It is like what some authors write about, there being two guns used in the killings, as the bullets have different patterns on their surfaces, and some of the bullets being overweight.  Where did they come from? 
So who is really looking for mixed up statements about the presence or absence of guns?

I've explained the markings on the casings and bullet weights based on the forensics.  But you seem to prefer to rely on unpublished manuscripts from an unknown author and a Tory MP.

[Robittybob1]

I've explained the markings on the casings and bullet weights based on the forensics.  But you seem to prefer to rely on unpublished manuscripts from an unknown author and a Tory MP.

Who should I believe?

[Holly Goodhead]

There was indeed, it's on a list of things the police took. I'll try and find it but it might take a while

I have found this reference to it which means he DID use it;

"Virginia Greaves had left a message on the answer machine at Bourtree Cottage. She and Jeremy had dated briefly"

Lee, Carol Ann. The Murders at White House Farm: Jeremy Bamber and the killing of his family. The definitive investigation. (p. 259). Pan Macmillan. Kindle Edition.

Where's the evidence JB had an answering machine at the time of the murders? 

[APRIL]

Where's the evidence JB had an answering machine at the time of the murders?

It would have been highly unusual, for someone who had every other innovative item, had he not had one. How else could he have picked up orders for cannabis? Didn't police take away an answering machine?

[Holly Goodhead]

It would have been highly unusual, for someone who had every other innovative item, had he not had one. How else could he have picked up orders for cannabis? Didn't police take away an answering machine?

I can't see any evidence of an answering machine pre murders.  AE called him 7th Aug when he was still at WHF and doesn't mention an answering machine.  Nor was one referenced in police interviews.