What would convince that Jeremy was guilty of 5 murders?

[Robittybob1]

They're not facts.

JM/JB saying this, that or the other doesn't make it factually correct.

SC sustained 2 gsw's.  The first not immediately fatal.  The second immediately fatal. The pathologist did not find anything to contradict the murder/suicide theory.  He has always maintained he is unable to conclude murder or suicide.

The pathologist was obviously aware of the full extent of NB's injuries and was not surprised a woman of SC's build was able to inflict the injuries present.

"JM/JB saying this, that or the other doesn't make it factually correct."  I never said they were facts but described them as indicators.

"SC sustained 2 gsw's.  The first not immediately fatal.  The second immediately fatal. The pathologist did not find anything to contradict the murder/suicide theory.  He has always maintained he is unable to conclude murder or suicide." 
Well OK but as a pathologist myself IMO first gsw suicidal.
Second gsw homicidal  (but I'm not saying Jeremy did it).

"The pathologist was obviously aware of the full extent of NB's injuries and was not surprised a woman of SC's build was able to inflict the injuries present."   Provide the cite please.  I haven't seen that myself.  I am thinking someone clever enough with a gun could kill NB and be left unscathed.

[mrswah]

The main reason I think he's guilty is the fact that he was found guilty. So he is legally guilty.

Yes, he is legally guilty, but that doesn't necessarily mean you have to believe he's guilty, OR  that he actually did commit the murders.

[Vertigo Swirl]

The main reason I think he's guilty is the fact that he was found guilty. So he is legally guilty.

That's a very poor reason.

[Robittybob1]

I'm currently reading part of CAL's book that comes as part of Google Books online.  Chapter 3, it talks of how Jeremy was adopted, and at some stage, the fact of his adoption was brought to his attention.
And she writes:  "He claims the only adverse consequence was understanding that his cousins called him "cuckoo" as a child was a cruel jibe at his background"

Did his cousins have it in for Jeremy from a very early age?

from "The Murders at White House Farm: Jeremy Bamber and the killing of his family ...
By Carol Ann Lee"

[The General]

That's a very poor reason.

Why?

[Holly Goodhead]

"JM/JB saying this, that or the other doesn't make it factually correct."  I never said they were facts but described them as indicators.

"SC sustained 2 gsw's.  The first not immediately fatal.  The second immediately fatal. The pathologist did not find anything to contradict the murder/suicide theory.  He has always maintained he is unable to conclude murder or suicide." 
Well OK but as a pathologist myself IMO first gsw suicidal.
Second gsw homicidal  (but I'm not saying Jeremy did it).

"The pathologist was obviously aware of the full extent of NB's injuries and was not surprised a woman of SC's build was able to inflict the injuries present."   Provide the cite please.  I haven't seen that myself.  I am thinking someone clever enough with a gun could kill NB and be left unscathed.

Why are you quoting the post in your reply and also copying the text within the reply body? 

[APRIL]

I'm currently reading part of CAL's book that comes as part of Google Books online.  Chapter 3, it talks of how Jeremy was adopted, and at some stage, the fact of his adoption was brought to his attention.
And she writes:  "He claims the only adverse consequence was understanding that his cousins called him "cuckoo" as a child was a cruel jibe at his background"

Did his cousins have it in for Jeremy from a very early age?

from "The Murders at White House Farm: Jeremy Bamber and the killing of his family ...
By Carol Ann Lee"

It's a valid question. Or it would be were it not for the fact that both Ann and David, were old enough -maybe even at work- at the time Jeremy learned of his adoption, to be too adult to indulge in the sort of cruel jibes which are mainly the reserve of young children.

I have wondered if it was an expression they heard their father use, but had they ever addressed Jeremy as such, he'd undoubtedly have asked his parents what they'd meant and they'd have asked him who'd said it...........

[Brietta]

I don't think so.

Members here have the benefit of original testimony from many of the key players incl Dr Ferguson's wit stats re SC and June's long histories of mental illness.

From CC's book:

One of the most striking things about that day, although not altogether surprising for me, was the fact that, the more I talked to June and Nevill's relations, the more I realised none of them actually knew anything had been seriously wrong with Bambs - not even June's sister Pam.  Many of them said that had they known, they would have been more than willing to help and share the burden.  Why hadn't I contacted them and told them all about it?  I couldn't believe what I was hearing and could only reply by saying that I didn't feel it had been my business to betray the Bamber's confidence.  They were very private people whose decisions I had to respect - whether right or wrong.  These people had no idea how much I'd need them as allies to convince June and Nevill of how strongly I felt Bamb's treatment should have been changed".

You are entitled to your opinion ... I am entitled to mine that internet posters such as yourself cannot possibly have the same family knowledge base that family members do.

Strangers you have never met, have never spoken with you and know nothing about you except what others have told them have a better understanding of your family dynamics than you do ???  I don't think so

[Brietta]

I'm currently reading part of CAL's book that comes as part of Google Books online.  Chapter 3, it talks of how Jeremy was adopted, and at some stage, the fact of his adoption was brought to his attention.
And she writes:  "He claims the only adverse consequence was understanding that his cousins called him "cuckoo" as a child was a cruel jibe at his background"

Did his cousins have it in for Jeremy from a very early age?

from "The Murders at White House Farm: Jeremy Bamber and the killing of his family ...
By Carol Ann Lee"

If Bamber's lips were moving while he was relating the "cuckoo" jibe I would take it from that he was lying.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Why?

Because I say so.

[The General]

Because I say so.

That's a relief; I though it was something meaningful.

[Holly Goodhead]

You are entitled to your opinion ... I am entitled to mine that internet posters such as yourself cannot possibly have the same family knowledge base that family members do.

Strangers you have never met, have never spoken with you and know nothing about you except what others have told them have a better understanding of your family dynamics than you do ???  I don't think so

How would the extended family understand the Bamber family dynamics when all agreed they rarely met and the Bamber's didn't discuss with anyone, not even June with her sister? 

[Holly Goodhead]

How would the extended family understand the Bamber family dynamics when all agreed they rarely met and the Bamber's didn't discuss with anyone, not even June with her sister?

Here you go Brie, from the Dickinson report post trial.

I object vehemently to the claim SC and JB were out of step with theIr families.  It's discrimination against adoptees!   

[APRIL]

How would the extended family understand the Bamber family dynamics when all agreed they rarely met and the Bamber's didn't discuss with anyone, not even June with her sister?

Because they'd had years of experiencing them, either together, or at a distance. Police had had a few hours of being told of them what Jeremy wanted them to know.

[Holly Goodhead]

Because they'd had years of experiencing them, either together, or at a distance. Police had had a few hours of being told of them what Jeremy wanted them to know.

The police are in the business of gathering physical evidence capable of standing up to scrutiny at any trial and thereafter unless they want a quashed conviction on their hands.