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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #13125 on: May 21, 2021, 01:11:53 PM »
I agree with Goncalo. The Germans have nothing of any significance, Bruckner was already investigated by the Portuguese.
Oh, was that when they knocked on his door and he wasn't in?  Very thorough I'm sure.
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline Mr Gray

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #13126 on: May 21, 2021, 01:31:04 PM »
Amaral will always have the huge advantage that he was there on the scene and worked the case live whereas all these new investigators have nothing to go on but historical documentation. He looked into the eyes of the numerous suspects whereas the Germans have only Bruckner.
You don't know what the Germans have to go on but I'm sure it's not historical information but new evidence. As far as I'm concerned Amaral was totally inept and was looking in the wrong place

Offline kizzy

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #13127 on: May 23, 2021, 01:51:24 PM »
I’m sure one of his apologists will explain it all.

I think you will find VS no one on here apologises for GA.

I think it is rather more apologists for the mccs actions on here.....as being responsible parents in some eyes.

IMO GA only tried to do the job he was paid to do.... but was halted in his quest to do so

The mccs failed to do the job they should have done...responsible for Maddie's safety and well being that she should have had from responsable parents.

no brainer really.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #13128 on: May 23, 2021, 02:53:19 PM »
I think you will find VS no one on here apologises for GA.

I think it is rather more apologists for the mccs actions on here.....as being responsible parents in some eyes.

IMO GA only tried to do the job he was paid to do.... but was halted in his quest to do so

The mccs failed to do the job they should have done...responsible for Maddie's safety and well being that she should have had from responsable parents.

no brainer really.

Problem was Amaral did his job badly and I think the McCanns should not have left their children so did their job badly....

Offline kizzy

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #13129 on: May 23, 2021, 03:40:16 PM »
Problem was Amaral did his job badly and I think the McCanns should not have left their children so did their job badly....


Well we know the mccs decision to leave their children turned out badly.

But, what GA would have accumplished ...we will now never know

IMO he was a thorn in too many sides it seems...to carry on his job. 

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #13130 on: May 23, 2021, 04:05:51 PM »
I think you will find VS no one on here apologises for GA.

I think it is rather more apologists for the mccs actions on here.....as being responsible parents in some eyes.

IMO GA only tried to do the job he was paid to do.... but was halted in his quest to do so

The mccs failed to do the job they should have done...responsible for Maddie's safety and well being that she should have had from responsable parents.

no brainer really.
That is a typical Amaral apologist statement.
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline kizzy

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #13131 on: May 23, 2021, 04:12:21 PM »
That is a typical Amaral apologist statement.

How is it .

IMO GA only tried to do the job he was paid to do


How is that apologising for him,

Offline Mr Gray

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #13132 on: May 23, 2021, 04:26:37 PM »

Well we know the mccs decision to leave their children turned out badly.

But, what GA would have accumplished ...we will now never know

IMO he was a thorn in too many sides it seems...to carry on his job.

Amaral didnt understand the evidence..... I understand it better... That's fact not opinion.... So he wouldn't be able to solve the case ...as I recall in his book he says if both dogs alert atht confirms cadaver odour...it doesnt...it suggests blood and possibly cadaver odour...thats just one point
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #13133 on: May 23, 2021, 04:33:02 PM »
How is it .

IMO GA only tried to do the job he was paid to do


How is that apologising for him,
Because you can’t acknowledge that he did anything wrong.
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline sadie

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #13134 on: May 23, 2021, 04:47:52 PM »
How is it .

IMO GA only tried to do the job he was paid to do


How is that apologising for him,

With the exception of one post and giving "likes" I have been excluded from forum for getting on for ?more than 6 weeks, (like Lace was.)

Hiya Kizzy

Excluded, so I never thanked you for your many kindnesses and the compassion you showed me when I had my breakdown a few weeks ago.   You and Faith were very perceptive noticing what was happening to me and it was good to have such solid support.  Thank you (both) so much. XXX 
I have stopped crying now.

[Thanks also go to Anthro, VS and Rob (who bore with me by telephone)]


Now I am going to argue with you, which is what you would expect from me, I expect, when I disagree.

Amaral proved that he did not do a good job, most especially with the Joana Cipriana case.

To approve torture of Leonor and bring the DCCB in from Lisbon, IIRC, to do it, then to produce a lying document to present to Court is sufficient to show what sort of man he is.  Ruthless, comes to mind.  Because of this document he is now a Criminal and we all know that we cannot trust him.

I could list a great long list of awful things he did, both in The Madeleine case and The Joana case, but I don't think it is necessary …. unless you want them re-exposed to the World?


TBH, I wondered if he had some motive for behaving as he did ?  Maybe I am wrong and maybe I am right ?
Time may tell

Offline kizzy

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #13135 on: May 23, 2021, 05:14:27 PM »
With the exception of one post and giving "likes" I have been excluded from forum for getting on for ?more than 6 weeks, (like Lace was.)

Hiya Kizzy

Excluded, so I never thanked you for your many kindnesses and the compassion you showed me when I had my breakdown a few weeks ago.   You and Faith were very perceptive noticing what was happening to me and it was good to have such solid support.  Thank you (both) so much. XXX 
I have stopped crying now.

[Thanks also go to Anthro, VS and Rob (who bore with me by telephone)]


Now I am going to argue with you, which is what you would expect from me, I expect, when I disagree.

Amaral proved that he did not do a good job, most especially with the Joana Cipriana case.

To approve torture of Leonor and bring the DCCB in from Lisbon, IIRC, to do it, then to produce a lying document to present to Court is sufficient to show what sort of man he is.  Ruthless, comes to mind.  Because of this document he is now a Criminal and we all know that we cannot trust him.

I could list a great long list of awful things he did, both in The Madeleine case and The Joana case, but I don't think it is necessary …. unless you want them re-exposed to the World?


TBH, I wondered if he had some motive for behaving as he did ?  Maybe I am wrong and maybe I am right ?
Time may tell


Your so welcome Sadie, its good to know you are feeling better -  thank you for your kind words. -

Its also good that you had so much support from others stay well. x

Now, though back to I suppose -  we will have to agree to disagree our beliefs on the forum

Offline kizzy

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #13136 on: May 23, 2021, 05:15:07 PM »
Because you can’t acknowledge that he did anything wrong.

We don't know though do we that he did. it seems to me he was right in what he believes that the mccs are involved in what happened to maddie imo.

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #13137 on: May 23, 2021, 05:26:46 PM »
We don't know though do we that he did. it seems to me he was right in what he believes that the mccs are involved in what happened to maddie imo.
And that is why you are an Amaral apologist.
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline Brietta

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #13138 on: May 23, 2021, 06:34:51 PM »
We don't know though do we that he did. it seems to me he was right in what he believes that the mccs are involved in what happened to maddie imo.
Just as he was right in releasing confidential information which he shouldn't have been privy to in the first instance anyway, which led to Brueckner and the investigation centred on him, being announced.

Just as he was right in his attempt to derail the German investigation by releasing false information regarding Brueckner's vehicle.

Just as he was right to promote Brueckner's falsified, dreadlocked image to deliberately mislead the public.

Why do you think he was right to do any of that? 
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Mr Gray

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #13139 on: May 23, 2021, 07:02:48 PM »
We don't know though do we that he did. it seems to me he was right in what he believes that the mccs are involved in what happened to maddie imo.

Do you realise that Amaral's beliefs are based on his inability to understand the evidence. That's why I have no respect for them or him

We don't know the evidence Wolters is basing his conclusions on.. But I can't see him making the gross errors Amaral did