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Offline G-Unit

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #17145 on: February 01, 2023, 09:45:15 AM »
Until it comes to trial, nothing is proved. We know the charges, but not how strong the evidence is, or what defence might be put forward.

It will be interesting to see what Brueckner is actually charged with. It has been suggested that there are now three charges pending, so have the other two rape charges been dropped? If so, he's facing one rape charge and two child abuse ones. If the rape charge isn't proved he will be left facing charges similar to those he's been convicted of previously.

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Offline Brietta

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #17146 on: February 01, 2023, 09:45:34 AM »
No, you're quite wrong. I know, by Wolters admission, that they have no DNA or forensics.
The 'evidence' against CB is limited to a number of possibilities, which I have previously listed on the evidence against CB thread. The best example of possible evidence suggested by your compatriots was CB's confession to Busching.
Due process has already happened, Wolters has nothing of genuine substance against CB, hence the reason he still hasn't been charged, & won't be getting charged with anything related to Maddie, any time in the forseeable future. That's how concrete the concrete evidence against him is.

Who mentioned "concrete" evidence apart from you and other sceptic bloggers.

As far as I can see concerning the foreseeable future - that belongs to the victims of three aggravated rapes, the child of the German family he subjected to sexual assault on the beach when he laid hands on her and the children he traumatised in the playground - all of which crimes for which he will answer charges to when his legal team has sorted out their procedural objections.

In the interim according to Wikiprdia - festina lente. (Latin: a classical adage and oxymoron meaning "make haste slowly" sometimes rendered in English as "more haste, less speed") the meaning of the phrase is that activities should be performed with a proper balance of urgency and diligence. If tasks are rushed too quickly then mistakes are made and good long-term results are not achieved.
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"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #17147 on: February 01, 2023, 09:53:01 AM »
Who mentioned "concrete" evidence apart from you and other sceptic bloggers.

As far as I can see concerning the foreseeable future - that belongs to the victims of three aggravated rapes, the child of the German family he subjected to sexual assault on the beach when he laid hands on her and the children he traumatised in the playground - all of which crimes for which he will answer charges to when his legal team has sorted out their procedural objections.

In the interim according to Wikiprdia - festina lente. (Latin: a classical adage and oxymoron meaning "make haste slowly" sometimes rendered in English as "more haste, less speed") the meaning of the phrase is that activities should be performed with a proper balance of urgency and diligence. If tasks are rushed too quickly then mistakes are made and good long-term results are not achieved.

Yes he raped some women & exposed himself to kids. None of that had any connection at all to Madeleine's disappearance though.
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Offline Brietta

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #17148 on: February 01, 2023, 09:56:59 AM »
Just lock up Brueckner on what they can prove, for the time being.  They have witnesses and a Police Arrest in the Child Sexual Abuse Cases.  That should get him ten more years off the streets of Europe.

Meanwhile, sadly Madeleine will have to wait.  But the disappearance of one small girl has resulted in the exposure of a corrupt Police Force in Portugal.

I'm not sure because at the time of Brueckner's first rape trial he wasn't the headline news he is now, but I don't think his appeal was based on his innocence or miscarriage of justice.  It was purely procedural and based on the way the grounds for his extradition from Italy had been conducted.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Eleanor

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #17149 on: February 01, 2023, 10:00:06 AM »
It will be interesting to see what Brueckner is actually charged with. It has been suggested that there are now three charges pending, so have the other two rape charges been dropped? If so, he's facing one rape charge and two child abuse ones. If the rape charge isn't proved he will be left facing charges similar to those he's been convicted of previously.

Exactly.

Offline Brietta

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #17150 on: February 01, 2023, 10:00:45 AM »
It will be interesting to see what Brueckner is actually charged with. It has been suggested that there are now three charges pending, so have the other two rape charges been dropped? If so, he's facing one rape charge and two child abuse ones. If the rape charge isn't proved he will be left facing charges similar to those he's been convicted of previously.

As far as I know Brueckner stands indicted of five charges.

Where does your information that is now three come from.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #17151 on: February 01, 2023, 10:02:24 AM »
It will be interesting to see what Brueckner is actually charged with. It has been suggested that there are now three charges pending, so have the other two rape charges been dropped? If so, he's facing one rape charge and two child abuse ones. If the rape charge isn't proved he will be left facing charges similar to those he's been convicted of previously.

I find it slightly curious that he hasn't been charged with possessing & making child pornography. They found his stash under his dog, allegedly. They must be able to nail him on that, if all else fails, Shirley?
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Offline Brietta

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #17152 on: February 01, 2023, 10:05:57 AM »
Yes he raped some women & exposed himself to kids. None of that had any connection at all to Madeleine's disappearance though.

You are rather hung up on "concrete" evidence as attributed to the German prosecutor.  Track back and tell me where I can view the original German for that.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Eleanor

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #17153 on: February 01, 2023, 10:06:18 AM »
I'm not sure because at the time of Brueckner's first rape trial he wasn't the headline news he is now, but I don't think his appeal was based on his innocence or miscarriage of justice.  It was purely procedural and based on the way the grounds for his extradition from Italy had been conducted.

Italy didn't want him and Portugal weren't interested.  Germany has a Legal Right to charge one of it's own Citizens when all else has failed, which it so obviously has.

Offline Brietta

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #17154 on: February 01, 2023, 10:10:14 AM »
I find it slightly curious that he hasn't been charged with possessing & making child pornography. They found his stash under his dog, allegedly. They must be able to nail him on that, if all else fails, Shirley?

I don't find it in the least curious.  For the simple reason we have absolutely no idea what other investigations might be affected by that evidence.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #17155 on: February 01, 2023, 10:12:09 AM »
You are rather hung up on "concrete" evidence as attributed to the German prosecutor.  Track back and tell me where I can view the original German for that.

Here's the original in English.

Prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters Wolters said today: “We have written to the McCanns to tell them Madeleine is dead and explaining we just ­cannot say what the evidence is.

“We have concrete evidence that our suspect has killed Madeleine.

“British police have been informed but don’t have all the evidence we have. The results of our investigation have been shared but not every detail has been passed to Scotland Yard.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11871138/madeleine-mccann-dead-letter-kate-gerry/
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Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #17156 on: February 01, 2023, 10:24:35 AM »

Anyway, it was davel who used to remind the forum in capitals that Wolters had CONCRETE EVIDENCE.

He's stopped doing that now though for some unknown reason.

Perhaps he finally cottoned on that Wolters never really had any.
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Offline G-Unit

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #17157 on: February 01, 2023, 11:05:57 AM »
As far as I know Brueckner stands indicted of five charges.

Where does your information that is now three come from.

From the link you provided;

"The prime suspect will be charged with three separate sex crimes in February"
https://www.theolivepress.es/spain-news/2021/12/24/exclusive-explosive-fingerprint-clue-as-madeleine-mccann-suspect-faces-three-new-charges/

So three, not five, and not yet charged.
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Offline Eleanor

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #17158 on: February 01, 2023, 11:14:26 AM »
From the link you provided;

"The prime suspect will be charged with three separate sex crimes in February"
https://www.theolivepress.es/spain-news/2021/12/24/exclusive-explosive-fingerprint-clue-as-madeleine-mccann-suspect-faces-three-new-charges/

So three, not five, and not yet charged.

Cherry Picking again.  Read the article.

Offline jassi

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #17159 on: February 01, 2023, 11:23:05 AM »
I find it slightly curious that he hasn't been charged with possessing & making child pornography. They found his stash under his dog, allegedly. They must be able to nail him on that, if all else fails, Shirley?

Perhaps the media exaggerated over what was actually found.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future