New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.

[G-Unit]

What is your objection to publicising a missing child?  Don't you agree it is standard practice?

I don't recall saying I had any objections Brietta.

[faithlilly]

I don't recall saying I had any objections Brietta.

You didn’t.

[Brietta]

I don't recall saying I had any objections Brietta.

You may not recall saying anything pejorative about publicising a missing child which is fine by me, Gunit.
But I do recall the distinct impression your words conveyed to me regarding Jon Corner and his professional approach to garnering publicity for Madeleine.

"No, but he seemed to be the custodian of the family photos.

He was notified at 3am on 4th May and sprang into action.

He sent out passwords which allowed access to photographs and video footage of Madeleine to the police, Interpol and broadcasting and newspaper news desks."


Perhaps you didn't mean them to appear 'snide' or indicate that you may not be a fan of the man or his aims and objectives to help Madeleine ... but whatever, his efforts were not unappreciated by Madeleine's mother.
Whose unrelenting efforts at publicising Madeleine's plight helped by experts like Jon are the catalyst which has led the German police directly to Brueckner's door.

Amaral said the Portuguese had knocked on it in 2007 but he wasn't in ~ when the Germans knocked on it and he wasn't in ~ they went to Italy and brought him home to face Justice.

Which is fitting as he is the prime suspect in Madeleine's abduction.



Jon Corner had produced a DVD of photographs and video images of Madeleine to the soundtrack of the Simple Minds song ‘Don’t You Forget About Me’.
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That evening it was shown at the UEFA Cup final at Hampden Park in Glasgow, which happened to involve two Spanish teams, Sevilla and RCD Espanyol. With Spain so close and accessible from Luz, we were heartened that it would help to increase awareness there. The more people who knew Madeleine, the more eyes there would be out there looking for her and the greater our chances of finding her would be.

madeleine   Kate McCann

[The General]

Have you been following the discussion...it's s thousand piece Jigsaw...one piece on its own is worth nothing...it's when they all fit together..

Yeh, that's obviously not true. One piece could send all the plates crashing to the ground.
That piece exists, it's just that neither party in this case have it.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Yeh, that's obviously not true. One piece could send all the plates crashing to the ground.
That piece exists, it's just that neither party in this case have it.

*Mixed Metaphor Klaxon*

[Mr Gray]

Yeh, that's obviously not true. One piece could send all the plates crashing to the ground.
That piece exists, it's just that neither party in this case have it.

For several reasons I think HCW has enough evidence...he just want sto be sure and although others may not b einvoved in the Maddie case this could be part of a wider investigation involving others. HCW is in no rush...CB is locked up..

CB just needs one piece...an alibi...it seems he doesnt have one. The day after the whole of Luz wa sout looking for Maddie...what was CB doing

[Brietta]

For several reasons I think HCW has enough evidence...he just want sto be sure and although others may not b einvoved in the Maddie case this could be part of a wider investigation involving others. HCW is in no rush...CB is locked up..

CB just needs one piece...an alibi...it seems he doesnt have one. The day after the whole of Luz wa sout looking for Maddie...what was CB doing

I think Wolters has enough evidence to proceed against Brueckner in Madeleine's case.  When it suits I think he will proceed and use it as he sees fit.
But there is no great urgency to do so as Brueckner is going precisely nowhere for a few years yet.  And after all, if Brueckner is the perpetrator in Madeleine's case he has had over thirteen years to cover his tracks so surely the police are entitled to time to carry out a proper investigation to if necessary build their case against him.

I think it possible that there is a far wider operation in process than only Madeleine's case and there may be many more facets still being explored that we don't know about yet.

Which is why I wonder about Amaral's intervention.

Maybe he was right about Brueckner being a 'scapegoat' if there is indeed a wider picture of which he is an expendable part.

I don't know if it was lumbering stupidity or just his petty malice against Wolters who is showing Portugal and the world the failures of Amaral's botched regime but Amaral has definitely allowed warning bells to be rung loud and clear for any who might have an interest and didn't already know the scope of how intensively Brueckner was being investigated across the board.
They certainly do now.

[G-Unit]

You may not recall saying anything pejorative about publicising a missing child which is fine by me, Gunit.
But I do recall the distinct impression your words conveyed to me regarding Jon Corner and his professional approach to garnering publicity for Madeleine.

"No, but he seemed to be the custodian of the family photos.

He was notified at 3am on 4th May and sprang into action.

He sent out passwords which allowed access to photographs and video footage of Madeleine to the police, Interpol and broadcasting and newspaper news desks."


Perhaps you didn't mean them to appear 'snide' or indicate that you may not be a fan of the man or his aims and objectives to help Madeleine ... but whatever, his efforts were not unappreciated by Madeleine's mother.
Whose unrelenting efforts at publicising Madeleine's plight helped by experts like Jon are the catalyst which has led the German police directly to Brueckner's door.

Amaral said the Portuguese had knocked on it in 2007 but he wasn't in ~ when the Germans knocked on it and he wasn't in ~ they went to Italy and brought him home to face Justice.

Which is fitting as he is the prime suspect in Madeleine's abduction.



Jon Corner had produced a DVD of photographs and video images of Madeleine to the soundtrack of the Simple Minds song ‘Don’t You Forget About Me’.
________________________________________________________

That evening it was shown at the UEFA Cup final at Hampden Park in Glasgow, which happened to involve two Spanish teams, Sevilla and RCD Espanyol. With Spain so close and accessible from Luz, we were heartened that it would help to increase awareness there. The more people who knew Madeleine, the more eyes there would be out there looking for her and the greater our chances of finding her would be.

madeleine   Kate McCann

Perhaps you should concentrate on what is actually said rather than trying to interpret hidden meanings.

[The General]

For several reasons I think HCW has enough evidence...he just want sto be sure and although others may not b einvoved in the Maddie case this could be part of a wider investigation involving others. HCW is in no rush...CB is locked up..

CB just needs one piece...an alibi...it seems he doesnt have one. The day after the whole of Luz wa sout looking for Maddie...what was CB doing

What was Maria Dos Santos the retired solicitor doing? Or Raul Espanosa, the dairy farmer from Budens? Catarina de Suza de Nascimento - where were you? Paul Collins, retired author from Luz - come on Paul.

CB was allegedly re-registering his car, that's what you're alluding to. The criminal genius of this man is taking on epic proportions. The re-regsitering of this car was discovered by every man and his cat 8 - 13 years after the event, why? Because, as usual our apparent perpetrator continues to leave giant neon signs plotting his route across Europe and continued to do so in the intervening years. He never once tried to cover his tracks or go to ground, not once.
The re-registering of the car is apparently being viewed as a suspicious act. That concept is beyond naive, it's, what's the word, ludicrous. He could have disposed of that car in a multitude of ways; petrol bomb, roll in to a quarry, scrap yard, hide in one of his many apparent bolt holes or cavernous subterranean lairs. He does none of these things. In fact he apparently simply re-registers the vehicle in a legal manner. Yeh, genius, CB, genius.
What about using his own pre-paid phone card to apparently receive calls on the night within radius of phone masts, when in 2007 registration wasn't required to buy a pre-paid card? This man's criminal aptitude knows no bounds.
What about leasing an allotment (comprising secret underground dungeon) in his own name and then settling the outstanding balance and giving the requisite notice.

So to answer your original question, Davel, it would appear that he went about his business.
He didn't flee in the conventional manner. There was no panic. There was no deception of any kind.

Yes, we've done it to death, the man is a vile monster. Yes, we all get it and agree. Nobody is 'on his side' or 'supports paedos', or is a 'rape advocate'.

I hope he gets done in the nick, which is congruent with my stance on those bloody interfering women and waterboarding. I'm a cold-hearted, misogynist, sexist, barbaric, soulless ****bag.

I'm upping the ante. £48 per person here if he's charged. (Paypal accepted).

[The General]

I think Wolters has enough evidence to proceed against Brueckner in Madeleine's case.  When it suits I think he will proceed and use it as he sees fit.
But there is no great urgency to do so as Brueckner is going precisely nowhere for a few years yet.  And after all, if Brueckner is the perpetrator in Madeleine's case he has had over thirteen years to cover his tracks so surely the police are entitled to time to carry out a proper investigation to if necessary build their case against him.

I think it possible that there is a far wider operation in process than only Madeleine's case and there may be many more facets still being explored that we don't know about yet.

Which is why I wonder about Amaral's intervention.

Maybe he was right about Brueckner being a 'scapegoat' if there is indeed a wider picture of which he is an expendable part.

I don't know if it was lumbering stupidity or just his petty malice against Wolters who is showing Portugal and the world the failures of Amaral's botched regime but Amaral has definitely allowed warning bells to be rung loud and clear for any who might have an interest and didn't already know the scope of how intensively Brueckner was being investigated across the board.
They certainly do now.

....Billie Jean anyone? Do do...do do.....do do.....do do.......

[John]

I think Wolters has enough evidence to proceed against Brueckner in Madeleine's case.  When it suits I think he will proceed and use it as he sees fit.
But there is no great urgency to do so as Brueckner is going precisely nowhere for a few years yet.  And after all, if Brueckner is the perpetrator in Madeleine's case he has had over thirteen years to cover his tracks so surely the police are entitled to time to carry out a proper investigation to if necessary build their case against him.

I think it possible that there is a far wider operation in process than only Madeleine's case and there may be many more facets still being explored that we don't know about yet.

Which is why I wonder about Amaral's intervention.

Maybe he was right about Brueckner being a 'scapegoat' if there is indeed a wider picture of which he is an expendable part.

I don't know if it was lumbering stupidity or just his petty malice against Wolters who is showing Portugal and the world the failures of Amaral's botched regime but Amaral has definitely allowed warning bells to be rung loud and clear for any who might have an interest and didn't already know the scope of how intensively Brueckner was being investigated across the board.
They certainly do now.

I agree that the German police are investigating a much wider operation into child abductions but there isn't a shred of evidence that Christian Brueckner had any involvement with Madeleine. Posters can claim this, that and the other about Brueckner but until proof is found that he was involved that situation remains.

The German prosecutor has made several claims in this case but has revealed nothing, not even to Madeleine's parents who continue to publicly state that it is their belief that she is still alive. The prosecutor says one thing and Madeleine's parents the opposite, could there be a worse scenario?

If there is proof that Madeleine is dead, her parents have a moral right to see it!

[G-Unit]

What was Maria Dos Santos the retired solicitor doing? Or Raul Espanosa, the dairy farmer from Budens? Catarina de Suza de Nascimento - where were you? Paul Collins, retired author from Luz - come on Paul.

CB was allegedly re-registering his car, that's what you're alluding to. The criminal genius of this man is taking on epic proportions. The re-regsitering of this car was discovered by every man and his cat 8 - 13 years after the event, why? Because, as usual our apparent perpetrator continues to leave giant neon signs plotting his route across Europe and continued to do so in the intervening years. He never once tried to cover his tracks or go to ground, not once.
The re-registering of the car is apparently being viewed as a suspicious act. That concept is beyond naive, it's, what's the word, ludicrous. He could have disposed of that car in a multitude of ways; petrol bomb, roll in to a quarry, scrap yard, hide in one of his many apparent bolt holes or cavernous subterranean lairs. He does none of these things. In fact he apparently simply re-registers the vehicle in a legal manner. Yeh, genius, CB, genius.
What about using his own pre-paid phone card to apparently receive calls on the night within radius of phone masts, when in 2007 registration wasn't required to buy a pre-paid card? This man's criminal aptitude knows no bounds.
What about leasing an allotment (comprising secret underground dungeon) in his own name and then settling the outstanding balance and giving the requisite notice.

So to answer your original question, Davel, it would appear that he went about his business.
He didn't flee in the conventional manner. There was no panic. There was no deception of any kind.

Yes, we've done it to death, the man is a vile monster. Yes, we all get it and agree. Nobody is 'on his side' or 'supports paedos', or is a 'rape advocate'.

I hope he gets done in the nick, which is congruent with my stance on those bloody interfering women and waterboarding. I'm a cold-hearted, misogynist, sexist, barbaric, soulless ****bag.

I'm upping the ante. £48 per person here if he's charged. (Paypal accepted).

Neither did he flee in 2013 when the German police allegedly wrote to him asking him to come in and answer questions about Madeleine McCann.

[The General]

Neither did he flee in 2013 when the German police allegedly wrote to him asking him to come in and answer questions about Madeleine McCann.

Didn't abscond at all in the literal sense. He moved about, but that would have been a necessity given his proclivities and criminal behaviour.
Didn't change his name or appearance (apart from Photoshopping dreadlocks on to himself early on).
Didn't attempt to pass himself off as someone else as far as we know.
He's either 'Man in the Iron Mask' hard-faced, utterly imbecilic, or is someone with something in his back pocket.
Makes me wonder about the validity of these photographs / videos and the subsequent potential use.

[Mr Gray]

What was Maria Dos Santos the retired solicitor doing? Or Raul Espanosa, the dairy farmer from Budens? Catarina de Suza de Nascimento - where were you? Paul Collins, retired author from Luz - come on Paul.

CB was allegedly re-registering his car, that's what you're alluding to. The criminal genius of this man is taking on epic proportions. The re-regsitering of this car was discovered by every man and his cat 8 - 13 years after the event, why? Because, as usual our apparent perpetrator continues to leave giant neon signs plotting his route across Europe and continued to do so in the intervening years. He never once tried to cover his tracks or go to ground, not once.
The re-registering of the car is apparently being viewed as a suspicious act. That concept is beyond naive, it's, what's the word, ludicrous. He could have disposed of that car in a multitude of ways; petrol bomb, roll in to a quarry, scrap yard, hide in one of his many apparent bolt holes or cavernous subterranean lairs. He does none of these things. In fact he apparently simply re-registers the vehicle in a legal manner. Yeh, genius, CB, genius.
What about using his own pre-paid phone card to apparently receive calls on the night within radius of phone masts, when in 2007 registration wasn't required to buy a pre-paid card? This man's criminal aptitude knows no bounds.
What about leasing an allotment (comprising secret underground dungeon) in his own name and then settling the outstanding balance and giving the requisite notice.

So to answer your original question, Davel, it would appear that he went about his business.
He didn't flee in the conventional manner. There was no panic. There was no deception of any kind.

Yes, we've done it to death, the man is a vile monster. Yes, we all get it and agree. Nobody is 'on his side' or 'supports paedos', or is a 'rape advocate'.

I hope he gets done in the nick, which is congruent with my stance on those bloody interfering women and waterboarding. I'm a cold-hearted, misogynist, sexist, barbaric, soulless ****bag.

I'm upping the ante. £48 per person here if he's charged. (Paypal accepted).

its not what i was alluding to at all.so the rest of your post is irrelevant and opinion as fact

[Mr Gray]

I agree that the German police are investigating a much wider operation into child abductions but there isn't a shred of evidence that Christian Brueckner had any involvement with Madeleine. Posters can claim this, that and the other about Brueckner but until proof is found that he was involved that situation remains.

The German prosecutor has made several claims in this case but has revealed nothing, not even to Madeleine's parents who continue to publicly state that it is their belief that she is still alive. The prosecutor says one thing and Madeleine's parents the opposite, could there be a worse scenario?

If there is proof that Madeleine is dead, her parents have a moral right to see it!

It isnt posters claiming the existence of evidence its the German Prosecutor...big difference.
Maddies parents dont state its there belief she is still alive.....they say they will not accept death without evidence. Im sure that in reality they accept she is almost certainly not alive.

Wolters wont jeapordise his investigation out of a moral duty towards the parents...and hes absolutely right to keep his evidence to himself if he thinks best.


I dont see that HCW would make such claims with nothing to support them therefore I think its reasonable to accept he does have evidence linking CB to MM