New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.

[Eleanor]

Your post is rendered nonsensical by the fact that children have been taken from homes or interfered by strangers while their guardians or parents were under the same roof. .  What special conditions existed in 5a to make this an impossiblity?

It isn't nonsensical.  It is just downright illogical and unkind.

There is a slither of British parents who think that they are perfect.  Although God knows why.  I certainly wasn't.  I can only wonder what damage they inflicted on their children in the process of protecting them.

It certainly isn't possible to protect all of Earth's Children against deviants, of which Brueckner was undoubtedly one.

But I find it very hard to believe that Brueckner would have gone to such risky lengths to steal a child just to kill her. 

It doesn't make sense when he could have snatched a child from the streets.

There is much more to this than we are ever likely to know.

In fact Brueckner could be the scapegoat who did the dirty work for others.

 

[G-Unit]

It is nonsense to suggest that it would be impossible for Madeleine to have been abducted while adults were present in the apartment.

It flies in the face of firm documented evidence that such events do happen as in the instance below when this little boy was lifted from his bed by a stranger while adult guardians were in the house.

Not only did he gain entry once.  He did so twice.

This is Cash being abducted from his bed where he was sleeping beside his twin brother

Cash was brutally murdered. The intruder returned to take his twin brother but fortunately was disturbed and ran off.
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=12126.msg655700#msg655700

There is no definitive time for Madeleine to have been taken all we know is that she was taken between the last visual check by her father and the discovery of her absence by her mother.

As the 'German Suspect' who is the topic of the thread why do you seem to think Brueckner would have been incapable of entering premises particularly unlocked ones.

It was suggested that Madeleine McCann was abducted before 10pm on 3rd May 2007. If so, then the presence of her parents or a babysitter would have prevented it. It was possible only because the children were alone in an unlocked apartment.

Your example was quite different as adults were present, but, given the time of the abduction, the adults were asleep.

[The General]

Look at you brave people, rounding on one member
Embarrassing. Get a grip.

[Vertigo Swirl]

It was suggested that Madeleine McCann was abducted before 10pm on 3rd May 2007. If so, then the presence of her parents or a babysitter would have prevented it. It was possible only because the children were alone in an unlocked apartment.

Your example was quite different as adults were present, but, given the time of the abduction, the adults were asleep.

Perhaps in that case the time of the abduction would have been the only thing that changed?  Or perhaps had the McCanns been sat on their balcony with some of their friends having drinks and chatting with the patio doors closed an abductor could have gained access at the front, with a key or via the window.  Or perhaps an abductor with an accomplice could have broken in, been challenged by the parents, tied them up and or stabbed them to death and taken the child.  Or perhaps the babysitter could have taken the child or let an accomplice in to take her.   Or perhaps an accomplice distracts the parents on some pretext, luring them out of the apartment while an abductor gains access and takes the child. 

[Mr Gray]

Look at you brave people, rounding on one member
Embarrassing. Get a grip.

LOL... Your posts are so ridiculously funny

[G-Unit]

Look at you brave people, rounding on one member
Embarrassing. Get a grip.

It's not easy for some people to face the fact that Madeleine McCann was left in a vulnerable position by her parents. Had they or a babysitter been in 5A then no abductor; whether Bruckner or someone else would have been able to abduct her before 10pm. Angelo's comment was correct.

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11585.msg679549#msg679549 

[Vertigo Swirl]

LOL... Your posts are so ridiculously funny

I’d stop at “so ridiculous “.

[G-Unit]

Perhaps in that case the time of the abduction would have been the only thing that changed?  Or perhaps had the McCanns been sat on their balcony with some of their friends having drinks and chatting with the patio doors closed an abductor could have gained access at the front, with a key or via the window.  Or perhaps an abductor with an accomplice could have broken in, been challenged by the parents, tied them up and or stabbed them to death and taken the child.  Or perhaps the babysitter could have taken the child or let an accomplice in to take her.   Or perhaps an accomplice distracts the parents on some pretext, luring them out of the apartment while an abductor gains access and takes the child.

In all of your examples the parents would have been blameless. In the actual circumstances they weren't.

[Brietta]

It was suggested that Madeleine McCann was abducted before 10pm on 3rd May 2007. If so, then the presence of her parents or a babysitter would have prevented it. It was possible only because the children were alone in an unlocked apartment.

Your example was quite different as adults were present, but, given the time of the abduction, the adults were asleep.

You really are quite determined not to post on topic aren't you - and that really is not good enough.  I have checked back over your past fifteen posts made on this thread about the German suspect and on the thread re boxes ticked by Brueckner.
Not once have you mentioned the prime subject Brueckner either by name or by inference preferring instead to vent your spleen on Madeleine's parents.  As I have said it is not good enough.

[Vertigo Swirl]

In all of your examples the parents would have been blameless. In the actual circumstances they weren't.

You keep on shifting the goalposts of the argument.  You claimed that it was an indisputable fact that Madeleine could not have been taken had her parents not left the apartment

“If an abduction happened in 5A before 10pm on 3rd May 2007 then it wouldn't have happened had the McCanns or a babysitter been present. Is that a true statement?”

I replied that this was not indisputable and cited other cases where children had been taken with parents present.  You then claimed it was the circumstances of Madeleine’s case specifically that made this impossible and invited me to speculate on scenarios in which this could possibly have happened.  I have now given you those speculative scenarios but your reply above fails to address the debate we were having.  The parents are not to blame for the actions of an abductor.  If they were they would have been charged with assisting in a crime. 

[Brietta]

In all of your examples the parents would have been blameless. In the actual circumstances they weren't.

There is no excusing an individual entering a property empty handed and leaving it carrying a child.  "In the circumstances" there was no legitimate excuse for blameless Madeleine McCann to disappear on May3 2007 and that is something you cannot countenance.

Your prejudice is not the topic of this thread although it is an opinion you ensure has tainted every topic you post on.

Your opinion is tiresome.  It is vindictive.  It is cruel.  It really isn't well thought out and in the current circumstance of the emergence of Brueckner as a very plausible suspect illogical in the extreme.

But when expressing your opinion on that or any other subject do please have the courtesy to do what is expected of other members and stick to the topic of the thread.  Or start a new topic.

[G-Unit]

You keep on shifting the goalposts of the argument.  You claimed that it was an indisputable fact that Madeleine could not have been taken had her parents not left the apartment

“If an abduction happened in 5A before 10pm on 3rd May 2007 then it wouldn't have happened had the McCanns or a babysitter been present. Is that a true statement?”

I replied that this was not indisputable and cited other cases where children had been taken with parents present.  You then claimed it was the circumstances of Madeleine’s case specifically that made this impossible and invited me to speculate on scenarios in which this could possibly have happened.  I have now given you those speculative scenarios but your reply above fails to address the debate we were having.  The parents are not to blame for the actions of an abductor.  If they were they would have been charged with assisting in a crime.

Of course the parents would not be to blame for the actions of an abductor. If Brueckner or anyone else abducted Madeleine McCann then they are answerable for that. Her parents are responsible only for protecting her from harm. Most parents fulfil that duty by staying in with small children or hiring a babysitter if they go out.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Of course the parents would not be to blame for the actions of an abductor. If Brueckner or anyone else abducted Madeleine McCann then they are answerable for that. Her parents are responsible only for protecting her from harm. Most parents fulfil that duty by staying in with small children or hiring a babysitter if they go out.

So this was all just another excuse to repeat that old mantra was it?  You’ve decided to stop defending your “true or false” statement however, so I guess that’s something.

[Angelo222]

If an abduction happened in 5A before 10pm on 3rd May 2007 then it wouldn't have happened had the McCanns or a babysitter been present. Is that a true statement?

In such a small space I tend to agree with that statement.

[Angelo222]

Don’t be ridiculous please, there’s a love.

What is there to be ridiculous about?  The parents behaviour following Maddie's disappearance was not in keeping with those of a parent whose child had just disappeared. Who the hell goes out jogging as if they didn't have a care in the world instead of taking part in the entire search coordination?