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Offline Brietta

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #15525 on: March 28, 2022, 10:23:53 AM »
Of course the parents would not be to blame for the actions of an abductor. If Brueckner or anyone else abducted Madeleine McCann then they are answerable for that. Her parents are responsible only for protecting her from harm. Most parents fulfil that duty by staying in with small children or hiring a babysitter if they go out.

So despite the fact that for some reason Luz appears to have been a Mecca for paedophiles and home to the chief suspect in the murder of a missing child, by your reckoning the parents of all children who come to grief as the result of the criminal actions of a stranger are automatically at fault.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Brietta

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #15526 on: March 28, 2022, 10:27:25 AM »
What is there to be ridiculous about?  The parents behaviour following Maddie's disappearance was not in keeping with those of a parent whose child had just disappeared. Who the hell goes out jogging as if they didn't have a care in the world instead of taking part in the entire search coordination?

You are quoting a huge dollop of sceptic mantra while studiously ignoring the topic of the thread which refers to a predatory paedophile.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #15527 on: March 28, 2022, 11:04:50 AM »
You are quoting a huge dollop of sceptic mantra while studiously ignoring the topic of the thread which refers to a predatory paedophile.
It’s as if we’re perpetually stuck in 2007, some people just cannot move on.
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline G-Unit

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #15528 on: March 28, 2022, 11:18:51 AM »
So despite the fact that for some reason Luz appears to have been a Mecca for paedophiles and home to the chief suspect in the murder of a missing child, by your reckoning the parents of all children who come to grief as the result of the criminal actions of a stranger are automatically at fault.

What evidence has convinced you that Luz was a Mecca for paedophiles? I have quite clearly said that the parents of all children who come to grief as the result of the criminal actions of a stranger are not at fault.

If Brueckner or anyone else had entered 5A before 10pm then it would have been difficult to go unnoticed if adults were present.
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Offline G-Unit

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #15529 on: March 28, 2022, 11:22:15 AM »
It’s as if we’re perpetually stuck in 2007, some people just cannot move on.

I know. Some are enthused by this new prime suspect, but can't resist criticising the PJ for not suspecting him in 2007.
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Offline barrier

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #15530 on: March 28, 2022, 11:23:07 AM »
What evidence has convinced you that Luz was a Mecca for paedophiles? I have quite clearly said that the parents of all children who come to grief as the result of the criminal actions of a stranger are not at fault.

If Brueckner or anyone else had entered 5A before 10pm then it would have been difficult to go unnoticed if adults were present.

Its been pointed out before but hey oh G you know what they are like a paedo in Luz means its a haven for all, they walk amongst us .
Mark Rowley : The reality is in any urban area, you cast your net wide
and you find a whole range of offences and sex offenders who live nearby and those coincidences
need to be sifted out; what is a coincidence and what could be linked to the investigation we are
currently dealing with and just like we do in London we have been doing in Portugal so offences which
could be linked have to be looked at and either ruled in or ruled out and that’s the work we have been
doing.
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #15531 on: March 28, 2022, 11:40:49 AM »
I know. Some are enthused by this new prime suspect, but can't resist criticising the PJ for not suspecting him in 2007.
As none of us knew of his existence in 2007 how can it be said that we are stuck in 2007 with this regard?
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Offline G-Unit

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #15532 on: March 28, 2022, 11:43:13 AM »
Its been pointed out before but hey oh G you know what they are like a paedo in Luz means its a haven for all, they walk amongst us .
Mark Rowley : The reality is in any urban area, you cast your net wide
and you find a whole range of offences and sex offenders who live nearby and those coincidences
need to be sifted out; what is a coincidence and what could be linked to the investigation we are
currently dealing with and just like we do in London we have been doing in Portugal so offences which
could be linked have to be looked at and either ruled in or ruled out and that’s the work we have been
doing.


I wonder how they knew which offences could have been linked? Did the Portuguese give them a list of offences to work through, or did they just rely on reports from UK holidaymakers? If OG had access to Portuguese records of offences and didn't find Brueckner's name of interest, then that probably explains why the PJ didn't look at him either.
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #15533 on: March 28, 2022, 11:44:28 AM »
I wonder how they knew which offences could have been linked? Did the Portuguese give them a list of offences to work through, or did they just rely on reports from UK holidaymakers? If OG had access to Portuguese records of offences and didn't find Brueckner's name of interest, then that probably explains why the PJ didn't look at him either.
Except that they did - according to the ex-coordinator of the case.
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Offline barrier

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #15534 on: March 28, 2022, 12:00:57 PM »
I wonder how they knew which offences could have been linked? Did the Portuguese give them a list of offences to work through, or did they just rely on reports from UK holidaymakers? If OG had access to Portuguese records of offences and didn't find Brueckner's name of interest, then that probably explains why the PJ didn't look at him either.

OG spent circa £13 million only to be handed his name, not by actually investigating , why did no one link him ?
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #15535 on: March 28, 2022, 12:13:56 PM »
What is there to be ridiculous about?  The parents behaviour following Maddie's disappearance was not in keeping with those of a parent whose child had just disappeared. Who the hell goes out jogging as if they didn't have a care in the world instead of taking part in the entire search coordination?

There is a simple explanation which has been given many times...

Offline sadie

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #15536 on: March 28, 2022, 12:41:41 PM »
It was suggested that Madeleine McCann was abducted before 10pm on 3rd May 2007. If so, then the presence of her parents or a babysitter would have prevented it. It was possible only because the children were alone in an unlocked apartment.

Your example was quite different as adults were present, but, given the time of the abduction, the adults were asleep.


No, not necessarily.

Here in the UK we had a little girl abducted from her bath.  her family were in the house.  She was driven a short distance away, sexually abused, then released naked to find her own way home  - IIRC she was picked up by a caring person who loooked after her whilst calling the Police.


https://www.standard.co.uk/hp/front/mother-s-frantic-999-call-after-sixyearold-was-snatched-from-bath-7253957.html.



This case proves that it is possible to abduct with the family in the house nearby.   Why are you ignoring what has happened even here in the UK?


There has to be a reason



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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #15537 on: March 28, 2022, 12:43:13 PM »
There is a simple explanation which has been given many times...
In the Parents Of Missing Children Recommended Behaviour Handbook, it clearly states on page 47 that parents must not engage in activities such as jogging (even if it is recommended as a way of relieving stress and tension) otherwise people such as Angelo will use this against them to cast aspersions on their character.
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Offline sadie

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #15538 on: March 28, 2022, 12:53:13 PM »
For Gunit:


https://www.standard.co.uk/hp/front/mother-s-frantic-999-call-after-sixyearold-was-snatched-from-bath-7253957.html.

Mother's frantic 999 call after six-year-old was snatched from bath



Peter Ivor Voisey: Accused of kidnap and sexual assault of six-year-old
04 October 2006


A jury today heard a mother describe her panic when she realised her six-year-old daughter had been snatched from the bath.

The child was kidnapped, driven off in a car and subjected to two serious sexual assaults, then dumped naked in a freezing back lane on December 27 last year in North Tyneside.

More here...

• Girl relives the night a 'bad man' snatched her at bathtime

Peter Ivor Voisey, also known as Smith, a 37-year-old from Blyth, Northumberland, denies abduction, rape and sexual assault on the little girl, who cannot be named for legal reasons.


The mother told Newcastle Crown Court how the little girl and her brother, a toddler, had shared a bath and that the girl had been left alone to play with her toys.

She told the jury her daughter loved bath time and enjoyed talking to all of her toys, who were her friends.

She said: "Then I heard: 'What are you doing in here?'

"She said it, she was not scared or anything.

"I thought she was talking to her toys, which would have been usual.

"I didn't respond to that comment, I wish I had now, but I didn't. Then I heard the car. I shouted: 'Are you OK?'

"Her voice was not there any more. That was unusual because she doesn't shut up but there was no response.

"The telly was on so I turned it down because I might have missed her saying 'yeah'. I called her again, again there was silence."


She told the court how she frantically searched the downstairs two-bedroom flat, even believing she may have forgotten putting the girl in bed.

"Then there was panic, running about and I phoned the police."

The jury was told the mother had left the back door unlocked because she was clearing boxes from Christmas presents into the backyard. When the intruder fled with her daughter, he left it open.

The court was played the 999 call in which the mother quite calmly explained what had happened, while her partner can be heard crying in the background.


At one point the operator asks the mother, who is separated from the father of her two children, if she has an ex-partner.

The mother replies: "I have, but this is not something he would do." Minutes later the police arrive and quickly establish that the girl has been found nearby.

The mother told the jury: "I don't know how long it was. It felt like hours but I couldn't say. I know it was not that long now."



The mother told the jury how it was more than a week later when the full extent of the girl's ordeal emerged.

The girl, who was having trouble sleeping, told her mother that the "nasty man" forced her to perform a sex act on him.

The mother told the jury: "She was six. How could she explain what had happened?

"It made her feel sick and when she told me, she put her hand to her mouth.

"She still does if she mentions it or if she thinks about it. She still gets that retching feeling."


The mother told the court how two days after the kidnapping, the family was on the way to a get-together when her daughter recognised local landmarks which she had spotted during the 15-minute car journey with the abductor.

Earlier, the jury was played a one-hour video taped police interview with the child.

In it she explained that the intruder wore a black leather coat, black hat and gloves and leather shoes. She described being abandoned in the dark.

"My feet were absolutely freezing. I didn't know where I was and he just told me, 'Just stand there."'

The girl described the man as being wary of being spotted.

"I don't want to remember anything about his face but he looked scared."

The case continues.

Offline Angelo222

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #15539 on: March 28, 2022, 01:07:35 PM »
There is a simple explanation which has been given many times...

There certainly is.
De troothe has the annoying habit of coming to the surface just when you least expect it!!

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