New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.

[faithlilly]

You know that this is all a game of words these day and that some of us are better at it than others, although not necessarily me.  I am still learning.  The rest of you must do as you think you are able.  I just want a reasonable discussion.

I find the nastiness very difficult to deal with because it accomplishes nothing, although I do not think that you are inherently nasty most of the time.  But some people are.

However, The German Court found Brueckner Guilty and I doubt that this was just on a Pubic Hair.  We are dealing with a system that we don't really understand, just being Judges rather than a Jury.

Did anyone ever see a transcript of The Trial, let alone a translation?

The worst part of this for me is that Portugal didn't even try.  And Yes, I do know that I keep on about this, but it does happen to be a fact.

And now there are three other apparently similar Rapes and two more similar Child Abuse Cases.  Although but for Madeleine we would probably be completely unaware of any of this.

But to all of you, if we could keep the nastiness out of this then I will be eternally grateful.  And I would much rather talk to you all than piss about deleting stuff that you didn't have to say in the first place..

We really know so little of the meat of this case that I think it’s a stretch to say that Portugal didn’t try to bring the offender to book. It was be interesting to see how Germany actually became involved.

[Mr Gray]

That’s the thing…I’m not making judgements but simply looking at the evidence, however scarce.

The evidence was overwhelming

[Eleanor]

We really know so little of the meat of this case that I think it’s a stretch to say that Portugal didn’t try to bring the offender to book. It was be interesting to see how Germany actually became involved.

But it's not just one case.  Although we will have to await the Verdicts on the latest slew.  But there are witnesses to the two child abuse cases.

[Vertigo Swirl]

We really know so little of the meat of this case that I think it’s a stretch to say that Portugal didn’t try to bring the offender to book. It was be interesting to see how Germany actually became involved.

They had evience in the form of a hair from the bed of the victim which they sat on for 14 years apparently.  They must have tested it to ascertain that it was not the victim's hair, or do you think they simply assumed it wasn't but didn't bother getting it tested?

[Wonderfulspam]

We really know so little of the meat of this case that I think it’s a stretch to say that Portugal didn’t try to bring the offender to book. It was be interesting to see how Germany actually became involved.

Indeed, they investigated, contrary to the propaganda, but all they had was a dna sample from someone who wasn't on the database & a vague description of a 6 foot, masked & tight wearing intruder.
It's unreasonable to expect the PJ to have been able to do much with that evidence really. If you're honest & objective about the matter.

[Lace]

I’m sorry haven’t I already said that the chain of custody regarding the hair is problematic. How was the hair stored in Portugal ? When was the DNA extracted? Was the hair sent to Germany or simply the DNA profile? If the hair was sent how was it stored? Was it placed with other items taken from Brueckner?

Cross-contamination is not always a deliberate act but as a result of time and ineptitude.

Watching true crime programmes,  if they find a hair,  they take DNA from it to check the DNA base.    Don't know if Portugal do that though.

[faithlilly]

But it's not just one case.  Although we will have to await the Verdicts on the latest slew.  But there are witnesses to the two child abuse cases.

Absolutely and he will rightly face the consequences of his actions but unless there is a slew of evidence in the rape case that we know nothing about I, if I was on a jury, would not be convinced of his guilt on the evidence thus presented.

[faithlilly]

They had evience in the form of a hair from the bed of the victim which they sat on for 14 years apparently.  They must have tested it to ascertain that it was not the victim's hair, or do you think they simply assumed it wasn't but didn't bother getting it tested?

I believe that’s what exactly happened in the McCann case. Hairs were not tested because they were not the right colour. Very shoddy.

[jassi]

Watching true crime programmes,  if they find a hair,  they take DNA from it to check the DNA base.    Don't know if Portugal do that though.

Up until recently DNA could only be extracted from a hair follicle, so not all hair samples could be tested.

New technology has changed this
https://www.genomebc.ca/blog/forensics-breakthrough-dna-extracted-from-rootless-hair

[Vertigo Swirl]

I believe that’s what exactly happened in the McCann case. Hairs were not tested because they were not the right colour. Very shoddy.

What was "the right" colour?  Abductor colour? 

[Eleanor]

Absolutely and he will rightly face the consequences of his actions but unless there is a slew of evidence in the rape case that we know nothing about I, if I was on a jury, would not be convinced of his guilt on the evidence thus presented.

But now there are Three Rape Cases.  One of which will at least be proven.  Unless I am Fanny's Aunt.  And of course there will be No Jury.

I don't know how I feel about Judges Only Trials, but not my problem.  Brueckner needs to be locked up for a further twenty five years, although I don't have much hope on that.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Absolutely and he will rightly face the consequences of his actions but unless there is a slew of evidence in the rape case that we know nothing about I, if I was on a jury, would not be convinced of his guilt on the evidence thus presented.

You don't know the details of the evidence presented so how are you in any position to come to a conclusion either way?

[barrier]

But now there are Three Rape Cases.  One of which will at least be proven.  Unless I am Fanny's Aunt.  And of course there will be No Jury.

I don't know how I feel about Judges Only Trials, but not my problem.  Brueckner needs to be locked up for a further twenty five years, although I don't have much hope on that.

If convicted will they run concurrent or separately ?

[Eleanor]

You don't know the details of the evidence presented so how are you in any position to come to a conclusion either way?

We are all just guessing, Our Kid.  But isn't that what it is all about?

[Eleanor]

If convicted will they run concurrent or separately ?

If I know anything about The Germans then it will be consequ.......  Oh b....r.  One after the other.  And as it should be.