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Offline Eleanor

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #16980 on: November 11, 2022, 10:16:38 AM »
Good as a defence as any.


The time that some of these crimes are supposed to have happened I was in prison.


https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/madeleine-mccann-suspects-rambling-prison-28461839

In Prison where?  It can't have been in Germany.

Offline Myster

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #16981 on: November 11, 2022, 10:43:10 AM »
It's one of them cases, in'it... one of them f*ckin' cases.

Offline Brietta

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #16982 on: November 11, 2022, 10:45:38 AM »
In Prison where?  It can't have been in Germany.

Now that he faces five separate charges for sexual offences, Brueckner and his legal team will have had access to the relevant files showing the prosecution case.

That being my understanding of the German legal process.

I think if that is the best he can come up with despite being in possession of the prosecution evidence against him, I don't think it is looking good for him. 
There is certainly no doubt of the dates of at least three of the cases for which he is indicted.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Eleanor

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #16983 on: November 11, 2022, 10:56:23 AM »
Now that he faces five separate charges for sexual offences, Brueckner and his legal team will have had access to the relevant files showing the prosecution case.

That being my understanding of the German legal process.

I think if that is the best he can come up with despite being in possession of the prosecution evidence against him, I don't think it is looking good for him. 
There is certainly no doubt of the dates of at least three of the cases for which he is indicted.

Let him blab away.  The two child abuse cases are more or less a done deal with witnesses and a Police Arrest.  Why was he not charged at the time?

Offline Brietta

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #16984 on: November 11, 2022, 11:05:33 AM »
Let him blab away.  The two child abuse cases are more or less a done deal with witnesses and a Police Arrest.  Why was he not charged at the time?

Good question.

In the case of the ten year old on the beach - if he was looked for - he wasn't found.

In the playground case I think that he wasn't charged is extraordinary given that he was apprehended on the spot,  If memory serves me well the arresting officer was an off duty police officer attending the fiesta with her child who probably saved him from irate parents quite anxious to have a word.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Eleanor

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #16985 on: November 11, 2022, 11:13:45 AM »
Good question.

In the case of the ten year old on the beach - if he was looked for - he wasn't found.

In the playground case I think that he wasn't charged is extraordinary given that he was apprehended on the spot,  If memory serves me well the arresting officer was an off duty police officer attending the fiesta with her child who probably saved him from irate parents quite anxious to have a word.

This just gets worse for Portugal.  What on earth did they think they were doing?  It is a colossal disgrace.

Anyway, Germany has recently increased the Tarif for child abuse crimes so that might get him another measly  five to ten years.  Although obviously not long enough.

Offline jassi

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #16986 on: November 11, 2022, 11:19:20 AM »
Good question.

In the case of the ten year old on the beach - if he was looked for - he wasn't found.

In the playground case I think that he wasn't charged is extraordinary given that he was apprehended on the spot,  If memory serves me well the arresting officer was an off duty police officer attending the fiesta with her child who probably saved him from irate parents quite anxious to have a word.

Perhaps it wasn't legally as straightforward a case as we are led to believe.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline Brietta

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #16987 on: November 11, 2022, 11:21:35 AM »
Good question.

In the case of the ten year old on the beach - if he was looked for - he wasn't found.

In the playground case I think that he wasn't charged is extraordinary given that he was apprehended on the spot,  If memory serves me well the arresting officer was an off duty police officer attending the fiesta with her child who probably saved him from irate parents quite anxious to have a word.

Brueckner was a suspect in a sex crime in an Algarve playground as recently as 2017.

He was held on suspicion of exposing himself to children. Police discovered Brueckner was wanted in Germany so did not prosecute him for the alleged crime, but they reopened the case last year.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/madeleine-mccann-suspects-pal-thinks-24238324


Well, that explains why no action was taken against him by the Portuguese in 2017.  They knew he was on the German radar at the time.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Brietta

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #16988 on: November 11, 2022, 11:26:15 AM »
This just gets worse for Portugal.  What on earth did they think they were doing?  It is a colossal disgrace.

Anyway, Germany has recently increased the Tarif for child abuse crimes so that might get him another measly  five to ten years.  Although obviously not long enough.

There was cooperation with Germany.  https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/madeleine-mccann-suspects-pal-thinks-24238324

One just wonders just how much the Portuguese knew of how deep German investigators were looking into him.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Eleanor

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #16989 on: November 11, 2022, 11:31:20 AM »
Perhaps it wasn't legally as straightforward a case as we are led to believe.

Who is leading you to believe what?

Offline Lace

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #16990 on: November 11, 2022, 11:39:01 AM »
Wolters' recent press statement, but the naysayers are out in force as usual...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11416251/Madeleine-McCann-suspect-Christian-Brueckner-says-German-police-trying-frame-crimes.html

He's bound to deny everything.  Let the court decide.


Offline Eleanor

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #16991 on: November 11, 2022, 11:40:46 AM »
Brueckner was a suspect in a sex crime in an Algarve playground as recently as 2017.

He was held on suspicion of exposing himself to children. Police discovered Brueckner was wanted in Germany so did not prosecute him for the alleged crime, but they reopened the case last year.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/madeleine-mccann-suspects-pal-thinks-24238324


Well, that explains why no action was taken against him by the Portuguese in 2017.  They knew he was on the German radar at the time.

That doesn't make sense.  The Portuguese shelved the case in favour of Germany.  And then reopened the case.

Offline Lace

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #16992 on: November 11, 2022, 11:41:13 AM »
There was cooperation with Germany.  https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/madeleine-mccann-suspects-pal-thinks-24238324

One just wonders just how much the Portuguese knew of how deep German investigators were looking into him.

I think some people know more than they will admit,  afraid of CB coming back.   He has got away with so much in the past it's no wonder they are concerned he will get away again.

They need to tell the Police everything they know.

Offline Brietta

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #16993 on: November 11, 2022, 12:09:10 PM »
That doesn't make sense.  The Portuguese shelved the case in favour of Germany.  And then reopened the case.


EXCLUSIVE: BRAVE WPC CONFIRMS UNT FOR ‘BLONDE ACCOMPLICE’ OF MADDIE SUSPECT CHRISTIAN BRUECKNER

It came after she arrested Brueckner in a children’s park during a local fiesta
Jon Clarke – 8Sep 2021

https://www.theolivepress.es/spain-news/2021/09/08/exclusive-brave-wpc-confirms-hunt-for-blonde-accomplice-of-maddie-suspect-christian-brueckner/

Interesting that it is affirmed that Brueckner was accompanied very much along the lines of the two blonde males seen by witnesses in 2007:  this time by a trained observer capable of recognising Brueckner as she describes in the newspaper article and Jon Clarke's book.

_____________________________________________


To answer your post Eleanor.


I think the Portuguese did follow it through, perhaps to the extent of getting information about Brueckner from the Germans.  But at German behest left the investigation to them.  They might even have been investigating Angela's rape at the time and by 2017 suspicions regarding Madeleine might have been arising.

So on the face of it the Portuguese might have seemed remiss ~ but who knows what might have been rumbling behind the scenes in Portugal?
Angla's rape wasn't tried until 2019 and given the tortoise alacrity inter force (and international) investigations proceed at, must have been a long time in putting the evidence together.

Officer Vanessa Veira was working when Madeleine vanished and there may have been higher ups still with an interest too.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Eleanor

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #16994 on: November 11, 2022, 12:20:45 PM »


EXCLUSIVE: BRAVE WPC CONFIRMS UNT FOR ‘BLONDE ACCOMPLICE’ OF MADDIE SUSPECT CHRISTIAN BRUECKNER

It came after she arrested Brueckner in a children’s park during a local fiesta
Jon Clarke – 8Sep 2021

https://www.theolivepress.es/spain-news/2021/09/08/exclusive-brave-wpc-confirms-hunt-for-blonde-accomplice-of-maddie-suspect-christian-brueckner/

Interesting that it is affirmed that Brueckner was accompanied very much along the lines of the two blonde males seen by witnesses in 2007:  this time by a trained observer capable of recognising Brueckner as she describes in the newspaper article and Jon Clarke's book.

_____________________________________________


To answer your post Eleanor.


I think the Portuguese did follow it through, perhaps to the extent of getting information about Brueckner from the Germans.  But at German behest left the investigation to them.  They might even have been investigating Angela's rape at the time and by 2017 suspicions regarding Madeleine might have been arising.

So on the face of it the Portuguese might have seemed remiss ~ but who knows what might have been rumbling behind the scenes in Portugal?
Angla's rape wasn't tried until 2019 and given the tortoise alacrity inter force (and international) investigations proceed at, must have been a long time in putting the evidence together.

Officer Vanessa Veira was working when Madeleine vanished and there may have been higher ups still with an interest too.

This doesn't cover the several other incidents that happened some years earlier when nothing was done at all.