New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.

[Vertigo Swirl]

The point I was making was that the source was not giving any inside knowledge, but telling him what was soon to be public knowledge.

Except the German police have never confirmed they have photos of Madeleine dead.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Fulscher?s source, presumably someone within the German police. Mmmm I wonder why the German police would leak to their prime suspect that they have evidence that they don?t have? That is a head scratcher.

Of course if Fulscher knows that it?s not true why would he keep it secret?

You?ve lost me.  Fulscher did not say to Stellander that the information was not true, how would he know one way or the other? 
PS: are you now backtracking on Stellander being a liar?

[Gildas]

Except the German police have never confirmed they have photos of Madeleine dead.

yes they have.

[Vertigo Swirl]

yes they have.

Please provide a cite.

[faithlilly]

You either didn?t read my post or you didn?t understand it.  Stellander thinks Madeleine died in an accident in the apartment.  That?s what you believe.  He thinks the parents covered it up.  You do too.  He thinks there is some conspiracy involving the Tapas group as do you.  OK, you disagree on when exactly it happened and how they disposed of the body but basically you are both in the same camp.  Me, I think all you Anti McCanns? claims fall apart under the most cursory examination.  I definitely don?t think I?m wrong but I do think you?ve all managed to convince yourselves that you are right and don?t want to hear anything which challenges your theories, which is why I find Stellander?s revelation about the photographs so surprising.

Surprising if true.

Do you remember the leaks from the PJ which turned out to be absolutely false?

[faithlilly]

You?ve lost me.  Fulscher did not say to Stellander that the information was not true, how would he know one way or the other? 
PS: are you now backtracking on Stellander being a liar?

Am I wrong in saying that some time ago you believed that Bruckner was not being arrested because Wolster?s didn?t want Bruckner to know what he had? How do the photos fit in with that theory?

And yes, unlike you, I?m consistent. Stellander is still a charlatan.

[Gildas]

Please provide a cite.

I do not have to prove anything to you. You initiated the conversation.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Surprising if true.

Do you remember the leaks from the PJ which turned out to be absolutely false?

I remember them leaking the direction of their investigation and casting shade on the McCanns at every available opportunity, but I?m surprised you now view these leaks as absolutely false.  When they leaked misinformation about the DNA evidence for example I think they just didn?t understand the results rather than ldeliberately repeating falsehoods, but perhaps you can remind me of anything else they leaked that turned out to be completely made up.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Am I wrong in saying that some time ago you believed that Bruckner was not being arrested because Wolster?s didn?t want Bruckner to know what he had? How do the photos fit in with that theory?

And yes, unlike you, I?m consistent. Stellander is still a charlatan.

I don?t think I ever said that and I certainly don?t believe Wolters is behind any leaks.  In what way am I inconsistent?  You?re inconsistent because at first you claimed Stellander lied about Fulscher?s photo revelation and now you?re blaming the German source for lying about the photographs.  Perhaps if Stellander is reading here he would like to join the conversation and reply to your  accusations of liar and charlatan.

[Vertigo Swirl]

I do not have to prove anything to you. You initiated the conversation.

I?m sure Faithlilly would be interested in having a cite for your claim as well.  The fact of the matter is - there is no cite because the Germans have never claimed they have photos of a dead Madeleine.  I find your insistence that they did just as baffling as Stellander reporting the same. 

[faithlilly]

I remember them leaking the direction of their investigation and casting shade on the McCanns at every available opportunity, but I?m surprised you now view these leaks as absolutely false.  When they leaked misinformation about the DNA evidence for example I think they just didn?t understand the results rather than ldeliberately repeating falsehoods, but perhaps you can remind me of anything else they leaked that turned out to be completely made up.

Absolutely, the Portuguese leaks were to ?cast shade? on the parent?s and their friends. Yet you think that the leak about the photos from the German police isn?t to ?cast shade? on Bruckner. Please explain those mental gymnastics?

[faithlilly]

I don?t think I ever said that and I certainly don?t believe Wolters is behind any leaks.  In what way am I inconsistent?  You?re inconsistent because at first you claimed Stellander lied about Fulscher?s photo revelation and now you?re blaming the German source for lying about the photographs.  Perhaps if Stellander is reading here he would like to join the conversation and reply to your  accusations of liar and charlatan.

Either Stellander lied about Fulscher telling him about the photos or Fulscher was lied to by his ?source? about the photos. It could be either. What I am sure of is if Wolter?s had that kind of evidence Bruckner would certainly have been arrested if not charged. That you think that the reason for that is that Wolter fears that the photos admissibility would be challenged by the defence because of the way the evidence was allegedly obtained while evidence from the tape, which no longer existed, and which was found in the very same way was admitted, even though the defence challenged that, is bonkers.

It tickles me that you think Stellander reads here.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Absolutely, the Portuguese leaks were to ?cast shade? on the parent?s and their friends. Yet you think that the leak about the photos from the German police isn?t to ?cast shade? on Bruckner. Please explain those mental gymnastics?

You didn?t answer the question.  What leaks did the PJ make to the press that were completely made up?  It could well be that a source leaked details about the photos to cast shade, but it doesn?t mean they don?t exist does it?  And your friend Gildas has claimed that the German police have officially claimed these photos exist - why aren?t you hammering him/her with questions and why are you liking their post in which they refuse to give a cite for a claim which you must surely believe is false?

[Vertigo Swirl]

Either Stellander lied about Fulscher telling him about the photos or Fulscher was lied to by his ?source? about the photos. It could be either. What I am sure of is if Wolter?s had that kind of evidence Bruckner would certainly have been arrested if not charged. That you think that the reason for that is that Wolter fears that the photos admissibility would be challenged by the defence because of the way the evidence was allegedly obtained while evidence from the tape, which no longer existed, and which was found in the very same way was admitted, even though the defence challenged that, is bonkers.

It tickles me that you think Stellander reads here.

There are very good reasons why such photos may not be sufficient for bringing charges and we?ve already been over those.   Do you seriously believe that rhe Germans have divulged every scrap of evidence they have on Bruckner to the general public?  What makes you believe that?  I like how you?re so convinced there can only be two options here - either Stellander lied or the source lied and have absolutely closed your mind to the possibility no one lied.

 As for the video tape evidence in the rape trial - it would never have even got to trial had there not been the supporting DNA evidence linking Bruckner to the victim?s bed.  Without that hair we?d all be none the wiser.  The absence of hair, or something like it, is why the case against CB in the Madeleine McCann case hasn?t happened and why we have no official word about the existence of photographic supporting evidence.  The German authorities need more. The English authorities maybe think there?s enough anyway hence why they?re pushing for extradition.

Why wouldn?t Stellander read here? He?s no one special, just another McCann basher with a slightly higher profile than the majority of bashers who has seemingly devoted his entire life to solving the case without having access to all the case files.  This forum is quite well known amongst the online community discussing the case and Stellander has close links to another online forum, members of whom have also posted here.

[Vertigo Swirl]

As Gildas refuses to provide a cite and as this is a crucial part of the argument I thought I would ask Chat GPT if the claim was true or not.  Here is the detailed response.  Feel free to challenge any and every point made:

CHAT GPT -
What the public record actually supports

There is now substantial reporting that German investigators possess photographic material which they regard as highly significant to the conclusion that Madeleine is dead.

In 2025, reporting on material recovered from Br?ckner?s abandoned factory said investigators had a hard drive containing photographs taken in Portugal, which they believed was important in persuading them that Madeleine died shortly after her disappearance. The same reporting describes the USB sticks and memory cards found under the dead dog, containing extensive child-abuse material.

There is also reporting that German investigators had an external hard drive associated with the Madeleine investigation. During the Br?ckner trial, BKA detective Titus Stampa referred to an account as the ?murder? account and an external hard drive ?also belonging to the killing case?, while declining to disclose its contents because they related to Madeleine?s killing.

So there is a very important factual background to Gildas?s argument that I underplayed.

But there is an important distinction

The strongest version of Gildas?s claim would be:

German investigators have officially admitted that they possess photographs showing Madeleine dead.

I have not yet found an authoritative German police/prosecutor source using those exact words.

What I can substantiate is something slightly different but still very significant:

* German authorities have publicly said they have concrete evidence leading them to believe Madeleine is dead.
* Evidence recovered from Br?ckner?s property included digital media.
* German investigators have possessed a hard drive containing photographs taken in Portugal which reporting says was significant to their conclusion that Madeleine died.
* A BKA detective subsequently confirmed in court the existence of material directly connected with the ?killing of Maddie?, while refusing to disclose its contents.