So..What Was Judge Knowles Verdict This Week?😌

[Brietta]

You've forgotten the hair and paint!

I was referring to what Bamber had it in his power to control.  Such as whether or not to use the moderator inside the farm bearing in mind the noise level.
I was not referring to where his plans went awry such as when Nevill's valiant attempt to stop him resulted in a fierce fight in the kitchen resulting in Nevill being beaten with the rifle barrel and the moderator damaging the painted mantel during the struggle.
But it does indicate that whether used as a club or used to shoot, the moderator was attached to the rifle.

[Caroline]

You don't always get back spatter.

Perhaps not but we're not talking about 'always'.

[Robittybob1]

Perhaps not but we're not talking about 'always'.

Where is the science of back spatter explained?   Especially the pattern of back spattering expected inside a sound moderator.  I've found that the basics is understood but is there a scientific study done on it?

[Miss Taken Identity]

The first shot could have been without the silencer in place.

Oh Rob that made me laugh out loud. She tries to kill her self causing an injury- than goes to find a silencer...
Noooooooooo please stop it already...

[Robittybob1]

Oh Rob that made me laugh out loud. She tries to kill her self causing an injury- than goes to find a silencer...
Noooooooooo please stop it already...

You said that, so rightly so, laugh at yourself.  I say she shot herself the first time and then later someone else shoots her dead with the second shot.

[Holly Goodhead]

I was referring to what Bamber had it in his power to control.  Such as whether or not to use the moderator inside the farm bearing in mind the noise level.
I was not referring to where his plans went awry such as when Nevill's valiant attempt to stop him resulted in a fierce fight in the kitchen resulting in Nevill being beaten with the rifle barrel and the moderator damaging the painted mantel during the struggle.
But it does indicate that whether used as a club or used to shoot, the moderator was attached to the rifle.

There's no reliable evidence re difference in noise with/without silencer.  Firearm discharge within a normal dwelling ie soft furnishings etc will sound completely different from how it sounds outside in open space.

If we are to believe the silencer was found with blood, paint and a strand of hair attached to the outside we also have to believe that JB overlooked all of this despite having to turn the silencer a number of times to detach it from the rifle.

The pathological evidence doesn't support a "fierce fight" in the kitchen or anything approaching. 

[Caroline]

There's no reliable evidence re difference in noise with/without silencer.  Firearm discharge within a normal dwelling ie soft furnishings etc will sound completely different from how it sounds outside in open space.

If we are to believe the silencer was found with blood, paint and a strand of hair attached to the outside we also have to believe that JB overlooked all of this despite having to turn the silencer a number of times to detach it from the rifle.

The pathological evidence doesn't support a "fierce fight" in the kitchen or anything approaching.

No because a cracked  skill is just a minor injury. You are being ridiculous.

[Holly Goodhead]

No because a cracked  skill is just a minor injury. You are being ridiculous.

Am I?

The pathologist confirms he did not observe anything SC was incapable of.

[APRIL]

Am I?

The pathologist confirms he did not observe anything SC was incapable of.

With, what you fail to mention, the rider that it without knowing the sequence of injuries.

[Robittybob1]

With, what you fail to mention, the rider that it without knowing the sequence of injuries.

Well do you know if the injuries were in a different sequence to that? 

The injuries to Mr Bamber's arm, do we have a photo of them?  Or are the burn marks already photographed the ones the pathologists called "injuries to his arm caused by the barrel of the gun"?

[APRIL]

Well do you know if the injuries were in a different sequence to that? 

The injuries to Mr Bamber's arm, do we have a photo of them?  Or are the burn marks already photographed the ones the pathologists called "injuries to his arm caused by the barrel of the gun"?

Well, given that the experts never commit themselves 100% but cover themselves with "may have", "could have". "It's possible that", I'm going to join them and take a similar position. The only thing which is an undeniable certainty, is that IF Nevill made a call, it had to have been before he sustained the injury to his mouth.

[Caroline]

Am I?

The pathologist confirms he did not observe anything SC was incapable of.

Yip!

What does that sentence actually mean?

[Robittybob1]

Well, given that the experts never commit themselves 100% but cover themselves with "may have", "could have". "It's possible that", I'm going to join them and take a similar position. The only thing which is an undeniable certainty, is that IF Nevill made a call, it had to have been before he sustained the injury to his mouth.

I think that is a fair assumption.   OK, we know when Jeremy made his call to the police timed at 3:36 AM so when does Jeremy say his Dad called him? 

The police break into the house and Nevill's body is in rigor mortis then (7:30 AM or thereabouts)  That is 4 plus hours later, which is more than enough time for rigor to set in.

What is the latest time a third party could shoot Nevill and still have rigor at 7:30 AM?

[APRIL]

I think that is a fair assumption.   OK, we know when Jeremy made his call to the police timed at 3:36 AM so when does Jeremy say his Dad called him? 

The police break into the house and Nevill's body is in rigor mortis then (7:30 AM or thereabouts)  That is 4 plus hours later, which is more than enough time for rigor to set in.

What is the latest time a third party could shoot Nevill and still have rigor at 7:30 AM?

I don't know that we do know what time Jeremy called police because he changed his mind. He says his father called 3(ish)?

[mrswah]

I don't know that we do know what time Jeremy called police because he changed his mind. He says his father called 3(ish)?

It's on the police logs, though.