What if anything can we learn from the Bamber videos?

[Robittybob1]

There have been many videos produced and I'm sure they contain insights that we need to consider.

Take this one for instance "CRHnews - The bloodied Holy Bible and Essex mass murderer Jeremy Bamber"  https://youtu.be/SH48WKZLTtc

[ISpyWithMyEye]

What can we learn?

That you watch crap created by Jeremy Bamber’s supporters.

[Robittybob1]

What can we learn?

That you watch crap created by Jeremy Bamber’s insane supporters.

I see a Bible with two things hanging out of it, so where are they now?  What did the note say?  Who wrote it?
A Bible that had Sheila's bloodied fingerprints on it.  So how does that happen?

[Robittybob1]

"Timeline of evidence which proves Jeremy Bamber is an innocent man"
https://youtu.be/c1NMk5tKFHM

It says the police arrived at the scene at 3:48 AM
Jeremy arrived 2 mins later at 3:50 AM  at the entrance to Page's lane.

Reconnaissance of the house takes place and a police officer sees movement in the bedroom window.  Which bedroom window?

One thing a bit odd was that earlier the British Telecom had said the phone was off the hook, but at around 5:34 it is reported the phone line was engaged.

7:34 AM door bashed down with a sledgehammer.

It is totally inexplicable how there were two deceased in the kitchen and 3 bodies found upstairs.  Was June Bamber visible from downstairs?

[Robittybob1]

There are two videos bringing up strong evidence of Sheila's bad mental state.
1.  https://youtu.be/lNsEN5y-Gkw  "Verbatim Project: Dr Hugh Ferguson, Sheila's Psychiatrist"
2.  Dr Ferguson: The Mental Health care of Paul Paget-Lewis and Sheila Caffell" https://youtu.be/QtyuDO4VRN0

[Robittybob1]

When one listens to the complexity of all the estates and transactions one is left thinking who was really going to gain from the deaths? 

https://youtu.be/HHAnLJOIw7k
The Bamber and Speakman Estates

[Brietta]

I would trust nothing at all promoted from that source. 
People more familiar with the case than me and whose judgement I have come to trust have pointed out glaring irregularities and some downright fabrications promoted as the norm.  I prefer not to be treated as a gullible idiot and avoid everything emanating from that source as a result ... I don't think barefaced lies deserve to be granted the oxygen of publicity.

[APRIL]

When one listens to the complexity of all the estates and transactions one is left thinking who was really going to gain from the deaths? 

https://youtu.be/HHAnLJOIw7k
The Bamber and Speakman Estates

There are two videos bringing up strong evidence of Sheila's bad mental state.
1.  https://youtu.be/lNsEN5y-Gkw  "Verbatim Project: Dr Hugh Ferguson, Sheila's Psychiatrist"
2.  Dr Ferguson: The Mental Health care of Paul Paget-Lewis and Sheila Caffell" https://youtu.be/QtyuDO4VRN0

Sadly, ALL of what you've posted is headed by the JBCT which means, from the start, there's a bias. We know, from past experience, that the 'truth' as they present it, is unlike the truth seen by others. How does one trust any unit that would see a man, guilty of 5 murders, walk free?

[Robittybob1]

I would trust nothing at all promoted from that source. 
People more familiar with the case than me and whose judgement I have come to trust have pointed out glaring irregularities and some downright fabrications promoted as the norm.  I prefer not to be treated as a gullible idiot and avoid everything emanating from that source as a result ... I don't think barefaced lies deserve to be granted the oxygen of publicity.

You do seem to have a very strong opinion against Jeremy and I'd like to know why.

[Robittybob1]

Sadly, ALL of what you've posted is headed by the JBCT which means, from the start, there's a bias. We know, from past experience, that the 'truth' as they present it, is unlike the truth seen by others. How does one trust any unit that would see a man, guilty of 5 murders, walk free?

Do you think there has never been a miscarriage of justice ever?  Have juries never came to the wrong decision?
Have judges never been biased in their summing up? 

[APRIL]

Do you think there has never been a miscarriage of justice ever?  Have juries never came to the wrong decision?
Have judges never been biased in their summing up?

I don't, but I don't believe this to have been one of them. I believe juries have come to the wrong decision (based on what they've listened to) but in this case don't believe the jury came to the wrong decision. It depends on what one feels would be the right outcome as to whether one thinks the judge's summing up is biased.

[Robittybob1]

I don't, but I don't believe this to have been one of them. I believe juries have come to the wrong decision (based on what they've listened to) but in this case don't believe the jury came to the wrong decision. It depends on what one feels would be the right outcome as to whether one thinks the judge's summing up is biased.

I just read in another thread where you say you knew the Bambers and their neighbours etc.  So you are hardly an outsider, but I am, living thousands of miles away and the case wasn't news in NZ to any extent, and when I read the judges summing up to me it was erroneous and biased on my first reading of it.  Later as I develop a greater understanding of the case maybe I'll change my view.

[APRIL]

I just read in another thread where you say you knew the Bambers and their neighbours etc.  So you are hardly an outsider, but I am, living thousands of miles away and the case wasn't news in NZ to any extent, and when I read the judges summing up to me it was erroneous and biased on my first reading of it.  Later as I develop a greater understanding of the case maybe I'll change my view.

Yes, I do realize that it must be difficult for you -it would be the same for me if I tried to rationalize a case which had caused controversy in NZ- and I try, not always successfully, to make allowances for it. I'm aware that you're trying to do, in a few months, that which it's taken some of us several years to do.

It would be more correct to say that some of my friend, and several of my neighbours, were close friends with the Bambers over many years. Several being young marrieds together. I do have a link, albeit a VERY tenuous one, because of my own adoption.

[Caroline]

"Timeline of evidence which proves Jeremy Bamber is an innocent man"
https://youtu.be/c1NMk5tKFHM

It says the police arrived at the scene at 3:48 AM
Jeremy arrived 2 mins later at 3:50 AM  at the entrance to Page's lane.

Reconnaissance of the house takes place and a police officer sees movement in the bedroom window.  Which bedroom window?

One thing a bit odd was that earlier the British Telecom had said the phone was off the hook, but at around 5:34 it is reported the phone line was engaged.

7:34 AM door bashed down with a sledgehammer.

It is totally inexplicable how there were two deceased in the kitchen and 3 bodies found upstairs.  Was June Bamber visible from downstairs?

The phone give and engaged tone when it was off the hook.

There weren't two deceased people downstairs, just Neville

[Robittybob1]

The phone give and engaged tone when it was off the hook.

There weren't two deceased people downstairs, just Neville

The police log in the video has the figures 2 (downstairs) and 3 (upstairs).  The numerals are clearly visible.

You said, "The phone gives and engaged tone when it was off the hook."  I've just checked the phone had a dial tone for a minute or so but that changed to an error tone followed by a continuous high pitched warning signal that would be audible to anyone passing by.
OK from memory the phones in the '80s would do the same.