Is there more circumstantial evidence against the mccanns than there is CB

[Mr Gray]

I've heard from you.  You are sure without any real proof, other than what you've heard him (HCW) say.   I thought you were more critical than that.

I've said before...I think it would be absurd that they didn't... therefore I'm sure they did

[faithlilly]

I've said before...I think it would be absurd that they didn't... therefore I'm sure they did

But it’s an opinion not a fact and carries as much weight as my opinion.

Glad we got that sorted out.

[Miss Taken Identity]

If you are wondering what should/n't have been done:  "OG should have carried out the first task necessary when a child disappears; elimination or implication of those closest to her."

As what happens in the UK regardless of the parents, colour, religion, employment status, by the social work.

we have moved away from hands off approach of years gone by  interfering with 'cultural diversity'. THANK Goodness.

SY task was  initially to run over what was done to see if there was anything wrong with what was done- IF they found something wrong they should have gone back to the night MB disappeared and started with the parents. giving them a real grilling. pointing out the inaccuracies in statements if only to rule out the accusations of language barrier/translations.

[Brietta]

In my opinion it WAS NOT DONE.

certain medical records were received and are attached.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/ROBERT-MURAT.htm

Fax re: questions to ask Robert Murat

Urgent fax to the President of the Board of the ARS in Algarve dated 16 July 2007 [Actual date was 16 May].

This is a request to the equivalent of the UK NHS asking for details about the family doctor, the clinic, the services rendered, the prescription medication and at which pharmacies any script had been filled.

Answers to any of the questions should be faxed to DIC Portimao as soon as possible.

05-Processo Vol V pages 1365 to 1366
'Service information Jennifer and Robert Murat and their doctors
Not content with the fax sent per page 1361, an officer was assigned the task of telephoning the ARS and this is his report, which I summarise as follows:
- the ARS does not keep records beyond two months;
- other persons were suggested as possible sources;
- it was confirmed that J.A.Murat had worked in the District Hospital in Lagos;
- the name Robert Murat was not recorded at any of the services contacted;
- certain medical records were received and are attached.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/ROBERT-MURAT.htm

05_VOLUME_Va_Page_1366

As far as I can see the Judicial Police didn't do too well in being able to access Robert Murat's medical records.  They did try apparently just as I believe they did try to access the McCann's and they were unsuccessful in both instances.

Which in my opinion is just as well or these would have become public property just as - with apology to Ms Anna Gabriela for invading her privacy - hers was the only medical record recovered by the PJ.

Therefore I think you are mistaken to say the PJ accessed Murat's medical records ~ it seems they did not and the cite you have given refers not to Robert but to Anna Gabriela.

[kizzy]

I think you are right; Amaral's conduct was not only very OTT it was unprofessional (not that he is a professional now ~ if he ever was); but to go on and compound it by his television appearances to push misinformation takes it all into a different league.

Isn't there a law in Portugal about interfering in an active police investigation?  I would say promoting a photograph of what in reality was a short haired man as one with dreadlocks you have photoshopped in certainly amounts to interference if not downright deceit.

I don't know why he behaved like that but I am wondering.  Aren't you the least bit curious?

IMO it shows incompetence to continually blame GA.

Maybe he was right to say the Germans were going to use a scapegoat -  to stop them in their tracks.

I doubt any more evidence would have been found - just they would have had more time to set him up IMO.

[Mr Gray]

Fax re: questions to ask Robert Murat

Urgent fax to the President of the Board of the ARS in Algarve dated 16 July 2007 [Actual date was 16 May].

This is a request to the equivalent of the UK NHS asking for details about the family doctor, the clinic, the services rendered, the prescription medication and at which pharmacies any script had been filled.

Answers to any of the questions should be faxed to DIC Portimao as soon as possible.

05-Processo Vol V pages 1365 to 1366
'Service information Jennifer and Robert Murat and their doctors
Not content with the fax sent per page 1361, an officer was assigned the task of telephoning the ARS and this is his report, which I summarise as follows:
- the ARS does not keep records beyond two months;
- other persons were suggested as possible sources;
- it was confirmed that J.A.Murat had worked in the District Hospital in Lagos;
- the name Robert Murat was not recorded at any of the services contacted;
- certain medical records were received and are attached.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/ROBERT-MURAT.htm

05_VOLUME_Va_Page_1366

As far as I can see the Judicial Police didn't do too well in being able to access Robert Murat's medical records.  They did try apparently just as I believe they did try to access the McCann's and they were unsuccessful in both instances.

Which in my opinion is just as well or these would have become public property just as - with apology to Ms Anna Gabriela for invading her privacy - hers was the only medical record recovered by the PJ.

Therefore I think you are mistaken to say the PJ accessed Murat's medical records ~ it seems they did not and the cite you have given refers not to Robert but to Anna Gabriela.

No UK doctor would release any of these details without a court order which would be difficult to obtain. it would be totally against  GMC guidelines.

[Eleanor]

I don't know why so many people think they have right to know what The German Police are up to.  Brueckner is well locked up for at least another five years so no great rush.

[jassi]

I don't know why so many people think they have right to know what The German Police are up to.  Brueckner is well locked up for at least another five years so no great rush.

Surely for the sake of the McCanns, if nothing else, you wouldn't want this to drag on a for a few more years just because Brueckner is locked up & isn't going anywhere ?

[Eleanor]

Surely for the sake of the McCanns, if nothing else, you wouldn't want this to drag on a for a few more years just because Brueckner is locked up & isn't going anywhere ?

There is nothing that I can do about it and having him locked up seems like a good idea to me.

If Madeleine is dead then she has been dead for a very long time which The McCanns have always had to consider.

[Brietta]

IMO it shows incompetence to continually blame GA.

Maybe he was right to say the Germans were going to use a scapegoat -  to stop them in their tracks.

I doubt any more evidence would have been found - just they would have had more time to set him up IMO.

I think the Germans were working efficiently at the pace they had set and were doing so until Amaral saw fit to adopt the tactic he did.

Without the spoiler of which I think they would have been working discretely still instead of in my opinion making the best of things by seeking information from the public.

Like you, I think he did want to stop the German investigation into Madeleine's disappearance in its tracks and I think Brueckner was the least of his concern in doing that.
Quite simply I think he knew the Germans were following a valid line of inquiry and for some reason he wanted to put the kibosh on that by becoming the champion of rapists and paedophiles while interfering in Madeleine McCanns case, which I may remind you remains a missing question inquiry.

If that extraordinary behaviour doesn't concern you ~ it certainly raises at least one of my eyebrows.

[Brietta]

No UK doctor would release any of these details without a court order which would be difficult to obtain. it would be totally against  GMC guidelines.

Which is why I find it so distasteful that I have used private medical information such as this as a debating point.  Particularly as it belongs to a person with absolutely nothing to do with anything but which someone saw fit to release into the public domain.

That the PJ were unable to gain access to the McCann medical record (what evidence they expected to find there I have no idea) is not pejorative to Kate and Gerry as it seems to be thought.
In my opinion it reveals a really panicked and floundering investigation clutching at straws.

[jassi]

Which is why I find it so distasteful that I have used private medical information such as this as a debating point.  Particularly as it belongs to a person with absolutely nothing to do with anything but which someone saw fit to release into the public domain.

That the PJ were unable to gain access to the McCann medical record (what evidence they expected to find there I have no idea) is not pejorative to Kate and Gerry as it seems to be thought.
In my opinion it reveals a really panicked and floundering investigation clutching at straws.

Alternatively it could be viewed as trying to cover all angles and possibilites.

[The General]

Alternatively it could be viewed as trying to cover all angles and possibilites.

....and detecting the acrid and unmistakable stench of BS almost from the get go. IMEE.

[Brietta]

Alternatively it could be viewed as trying to cover all angles and possibilites.

Is it part of normal police investigative practice to ask to see a suspect's medical records?

[jassi]

Is it part of normal police investigative practice to ask to see a suspect's medical records?

It might be in the case of a missing child. Looking for signs of  abuse or mental disorder - that sort of thing - being thorough.