Is there more circumstantial evidence against the mccanns than there is CB

[Mr Gray]

In my opinion he wanted to explain why he thought OG should have carried out the first task necessary when a child disappears; elimination or implication of those closest to her. Asking the questions themselves and in English would have been necessary, in his opinion, to achieve that.

"I do though think that a point worthy of reinforcing is that a proper, conclusive and reasoned elimination or implication of Kate and Gerry McCann would have been in everyone's interest, most of all theirs.  That would have been my first objective had I been leading Operation Grange and so that is the biggest issue I have with how that investigation proceeded.  To eliminate or implicate those closest to the child in this type of case is not only the documented best investigative practice but is common sense.  Had Grange done this then everything would be a lot clearer. I have no idea why this was not done but I am satisfied on what has been said by the Met and what is available that it was not."
http://colinsutton.blogspot.com/

He was quite clear in his words...The room for error is enormous.
You have your opinion but that's all it is. It's quite clear to me that he thought the statements might not be accurate. I don't see how you can possibly deny that.

[Vertigo Swirl]

In my opinion he wanted to explain why he thought OG should have carried out the first task necessary when a child disappears; elimination or implication of those closest to her. Asking the questions themselves and in English would have been necessary, in his opinion, to achieve that.

"I do though think that a point worthy of reinforcing is that a proper, conclusive and reasoned elimination or implication of Kate and Gerry McCann would have been in everyone's interest, most of all theirs.  That would have been my first objective had I been leading Operation Grange and so that is the biggest issue I have with how that investigation proceeded.  To eliminate or implicate those closest to the child in this type of case is not only the documented best investigative practice but is common sense.  Had Grange done this then everything would be a lot clearer. I have no idea why this was not done but I am satisfied on what has been said by the Met and what is available that it was not."
http://colinsutton.blogspot.com/

He explained it by pointing out that the margin for error in the original statements was huge.  Those are what were being discussed .  Wriggling  to try and get out of it is not a good look.
You said
“Why would anyone even think that inconsistencies in statements given to the police were the result of police/translator errors? In my opinion the only people who would do that would be those who didn't want to accept that there were inconsistencies”.
Would you include Colin Sutton in your generalisation?

[Brietta]

In my opinion he wanted to explain why he thought OG should have carried out the first task necessary when a child disappears; elimination or implication of those closest to her. Asking the questions themselves and in English would have been necessary, in his opinion, to achieve that.

"I do though think that a point worthy of reinforcing is that a proper, conclusive and reasoned elimination or implication of Kate and Gerry McCann would have been in everyone's interest, most of all theirs.  That would have been my first objective had I been leading Operation Grange and so that is the biggest issue I have with how that investigation proceeded.  To eliminate or implicate those closest to the child in this type of case is not only the documented best investigative practice but is common sense.  Had Grange done this then everything would be a lot clearer. I have no idea why this was not done but I am satisfied on what has been said by the Met and what is available that it was not."
http://colinsutton.blogspot.com/

In my opinion that was a task for the Policia Judiciaria to carry out initially.  In the intervening period the McCanns had been made suspects and had been thoroughly investigated as was Robert Murat and nothing could be found to link any of them to Amaral's theories.
 Amaral's theories which formed the basis of suspicion against the McCanns were all categorically disproved by the PJ.

It isn't possible to wind back time and erase all that happened since Madeleine's disappearance until the opening of the English investigation as though that was the starting point.

It wasn't the starting point or anything like it and neither Sutton or anyone else knows what happened between witnesses and the Scotland Yard investigators.

For example no-one heard of Dr Totman until the media found out who he was ... but he was interviewed.  People who had suffered sexual assault by an intruder as children were also interviewed.

Quite simply we do not know who else was and I for one would be astounded if it started and stopped with Dr Totman and those assaulted as children.

[G-Unit]

In my opinion that was a task for the Policia Judiciaria to carry out initially.  In the intervening period the McCanns had been made suspects and had been thoroughly investigated as was Robert Murat and nothing could be found to link any of them to Amaral's theories.
 Amaral's theories which formed the basis of suspicion against the McCanns were all categorically disproved by the PJ.

It isn't possible to wind back time and erase all that happened since Madeleine's disappearance until the opening of the English investigation as though that was the starting point.

It wasn't the starting point or anything like it and neither Sutton or anyone else knows what happened between witnesses and the Scotland Yard investigators.

For example no-one heard of Dr Totman until the media found out who he was ... but he was interviewed.  People who had suffered sexual assault by an intruder as children were also interviewed.

Quite simply we do not know who else was and I for one would be astounded if it started and stopped with Dr Totman and those assaulted as children.

It may well have been a task for the PJ, but it wasn't done. Neither was it achieved at any point in time prior to the case being archived. Murat was thoroughly investigated, but the McCanns were not. His medical records were examined, but theirs weren't, for example. His phones were tapped and he was followed, but the McCanns left Portugal immediately after being made arguidos, so they weren't subjected to those efforts.

So the PJ did not deal with the question of Madeleine's parents involvement and eliminate them from involvement, despite Rowley claiming that they had. If OG believed that the PJ had dealt with it, then if follows that they didn't repeat it. Why would they?

[Mr Gray]

It may well have been a task for the PJ, but it wasn't done. Neither was it achieved at any point in time prior to the case being archived. Murat was thoroughly investigated, but the McCanns were not. His medical records were examined, but theirs weren't, for example. His phones were tapped and he was followed, but the McCanns left Portugal immediately after being made arguidos, so they weren't subjected to those efforts.

So the PJ did not deal with the question of Madeleine's parents involvement and eliminate them from involvement, despite Rowley claiming that they had. If OG believed that the PJ had dealt with it, then if follows that they didn't repeat it. Why would they?

The case was shelved with no charges against the McCanns.. Rowley was happy their involvement had been dealt with and he's the one who counts...not you.

Rowley said they looked at everything so in effect they did repeat it...they didn't simply take the PJs word

[faithlilly]

He was quite clear in his words...The room for error is enormous.
You have your opinion but that's all it is. It's quite clear to me that he thought the statements might not be accurate. I don't see how you can possibly deny that.

So if there was enormous room for error it makes it all the more difficult to understand why OG didn’t carry out interviews of their own.

[Brietta]

It may well have been a task for the PJ, but it wasn't done. Neither was it achieved at any point in time prior to the case being archived. Murat was thoroughly investigated, but the McCanns were not. His medical records were examined, but theirs weren't, for example. His phones were tapped and he was followed, but the McCanns left Portugal immediately after being made arguidos, so they weren't subjected to those efforts.

So the PJ did not deal with the question of Madeleine's parents involvement and eliminate them from involvement, despite Rowley claiming that they had. If OG believed that the PJ had dealt with it, then if follows that they didn't repeat it. Why would they?

The point of my post was that it WAS DONE albeit not when it should have been.  Amaral's ineptitude and inability to understand forensics and to understand the actual significance of the dogs and everything else he was incapable of understanding made in depth investigation imperative.

Do you really think the PJ were so inept they didn't do that.

Do you have a cite for Murat's medical records being examined?

[G-Unit]

The point of my post was that it WAS DONE albeit not when it should have been.  Amaral's ineptitude and inability to understand forensics and to understand the actual significance of the dogs and everything else he was incapable of understanding made in depth investigation imperative.

Do you really think the PJ were so inept they didn't do that.

Do you have a cite for Murat's medical records being examined?

In my opinion it WAS NOT DONE.

certain medical records were received and are attached.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/ROBERT-MURAT.htm

[Robittybob1]

In my opinion it WAS NOT DONE.

certain medical records were received and are attached.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/ROBERT-MURAT.htm

If you are wondering what should/n't have been done:  "OG should have carried out the first task necessary when a child disappears; elimination or implication of those closest to her."

[Mr Gray]

So if there was enormous room for error it makes it all the more difficult to understand why OG didn’t carry out interviews of their own.

That's why I'm sure they did.....as we have already discussed several times here

[Robittybob1]

That's why I'm sure they did.....as we have already discussed several times here

Proof.  Proof.  Proof.   What proof have you got?

[Mr Gray]

Proof.  Proof.  Proof.   What proof have you got?

I said I'm sure...it's been discussed many  times as most posters are aware

[faithlilly]

That's why I'm sure they did.....as we have already discussed several times here

Do you have a cite ?

[Robittybob1]

I said I'm sure...it's been discussed many  times as most posters are aware

I've heard from you.  You are sure without any real proof, other than what you've heard him (HCW) say.   I thought you were more critical than that.

[Mr Gray]

Do you have a cite ?

Do you have a cite they were not..as you claimed..there no proof either way...that's why I didn't claim it as a fact....as you did