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Offline Eleanor

Re: Is there more circumstantial evidence against the mccanns than there is CB
« Reply #3045 on: February 07, 2021, 01:17:04 PM »

Why are we discussing coupe of nobodies who don't even know what they are talking about?

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Is there more circumstantial evidence against the mccanns than there is CB
« Reply #3046 on: February 07, 2021, 01:17:44 PM »
Why are we discussing coupe of nobodies who don't even know what they are talking about?
What else is there to talk about?  It's called "scraping the barrel". 
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Is there more circumstantial evidence against the mccanns than there is CB
« Reply #3047 on: February 07, 2021, 01:18:35 PM »
1:29:42 Paraphrasing what was said here, it was "Do you think, based on what we know and the evidence we have, that we can work out what the most likey scenario was?" Answer "No."

The one who said no nevertheless offered his opinion; he leaned towards the McCanns being involved, despite the fact that there was insufficient evidence and enough reasonable doubt to prevent them from being convicted in a court of law. He also pointed out that there was insufficient evidence to uphold the abduction theory.
How does that differ from what I said? I think my description was closer to the spirit of what was said, minus the liberal use of the F-word which always adds intellectual weight to any opinion I find.
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Is there more circumstantial evidence against the mccanns than there is CB
« Reply #3048 on: February 07, 2021, 01:27:42 PM »
They did talk about the dead dog she was stitched into and the volcano that the body was tossed into.  I think...

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Offline G-Unit

Re: Is there more circumstantial evidence against the mccanns than there is CB
« Reply #3049 on: February 07, 2021, 01:29:41 PM »
How does that differ from what I said? I think my description was closer to the spirit of what was said, minus the liberal use of the F-word which always adds intellectual weight to any opinion I find.

I remember how impressed you were by the intellectual weight of Kate McCanns use of the word.  @)(++(*
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Offline kizzy

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« Reply #3050 on: February 07, 2021, 01:34:44 PM »
IMO, the outcome of their "investigations" and conclusions was completely predictable and pre-judged.  I watched the bit where the butch one said "They've taken her" was a red flag and that any reasonable person would simply assume their child had wandered off.  The weedy one said "yeah but what about the "alleged" open window?, surely that would be an indicator that your child had been taken rather than wandered off?", but that explanation was more or less completely brushed off without any reasonable rationale apart from the implication that Kate was lying.  Well, what if she WASNT lying and the window WAS found open?  Then that would explain why she said what she said (even though her exact words were not recorded anyway).  The whole podcast is an exercise in bias confirmation IMO, pandering to a McCann Bashing crowd who lap up  this sort of propaganda as it confirms their own biases.

 who lap up  this sort of propaganda as it confirms their own biases.


IMO aren't you doing the same with Wolt.

Why be so nasty as to call them Butch - Weedy they have done nothing to you apart from making a podcast wanted by public demand.

I have always thought that window a key to the whole thing was it left open or wasn't it.

If it wasn't why was it opened there is no real proof it was.

If like some believe Maddie woke and wandered [which is a viable probability] would mean Maddie opened it herself.

The only sense to anyone opening that window IMO was to show someone had been in to back up an abduction theory.
 



Offline Brietta

Re: Is there more circumstantial evidence against the mccanns than there is CB
« Reply #3051 on: February 07, 2021, 01:41:30 PM »
They mentioned Calpol because there was a theory at the time that the children had been given an overdose of it, and this was mentioned in the Netfix documentary. They didn't say they believed it was a sedative imo. Listen from 19:19.

There are many who still subscribe to that idiocy ~ just check out any comment section anywhere, anytime ~ the question I asked was what you think of Amaral's "theory" of the time.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Is there more circumstantial evidence against the mccanns than there is CB
« Reply #3052 on: February 07, 2021, 01:44:47 PM »
I remember how impressed you were by the intellectual weight of Kate McCanns use of the word.  @)(++(*
Cite please.
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Is there more circumstantial evidence against the mccanns than there is CB
« Reply #3053 on: February 07, 2021, 01:48:42 PM »

 who lap up  this sort of propaganda as it confirms their own biases.


IMO aren't you doing the same with Wolt.

Why be so nasty as to call them Butch - Weedy they have done nothing to you apart from making a podcast wanted by public demand.

I have always thought that window a key to the whole thing was it left open or wasn't it.

If it wasn't why was it opened there is no real proof it was.

If like some believe Maddie woke and wandered [which is a viable probability] would mean Maddie opened it herself.

The only sense to anyone opening that window IMO was to show someone had been in to back up an abduction theory.
I don't think HCW is promulgating propaganda, I think he is trying to solve some serious crimes.  I am not lapping up anything he says, but I do believe he is sincere in his intentions and I do believe him when he says he has good reasons for coming to the conclusions he has.  I will reserve judgement on whether or not he was right to come to those conclusions if and when I find out upon what he is basing those opinions. 

I apologise to Butch and Weedy for any offence caused. 
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Offline John

Re: Is there more circumstantial evidence against the mccanns than there is CB
« Reply #3054 on: February 07, 2021, 01:55:54 PM »
I must admit you guys make me laugh out loud sometimes when you turn disagreement into comedy.  It certainly brings a much needed bit of humour to discussions and debates which by their very nature tend to be just a tad depressing.

Anyway, please continue to follow the forum rules with a sprinkle of humour added for good taste.
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Offline kizzy

Re: Is there more circumstantial evidence against the mccanns than there is CB
« Reply #3055 on: February 07, 2021, 02:03:38 PM »
your podcast made the claim that over 50% of people think the McCanns dunnit, what is the statistical basis for this factoid?

I don't know what the percentage is ...do you.

I know the podcasts of ordinary folk defending the mccs are a bit thin on the ground.

Do you know of any?

It wasn't my podcast -  but if it was 50/50 imo  25% roughly or more... are not interestd an sick to the back teeth of the whole mcc thing imo

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Is there more circumstantial evidence against the mccanns than there is CB
« Reply #3056 on: February 07, 2021, 02:09:50 PM »
I don't know what the percentage is ...do you.

I know the podcasts of ordinary folk defending the mccs are a bit thin on the ground.

Do you know of any?

It wasn't my podcast -  but if it was 50/50 imo  25% roughly or more... are not interestd an sick to the back teeth of the whole mcc thing imo
There aren't many podcasts by people claiming the world isn't run by lizards or that the moon landings weren't faked either, I wouldn't read too much into that though.
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Is there more circumstantial evidence against the mccanns than there is CB
« Reply #3057 on: February 07, 2021, 02:34:09 PM »
There are many who still subscribe to that idiocy ~ just check out any comment section anywhere, anytime ~ the question I asked was what you think of Amaral's "theory" of the time.

First of all you stated "I know CALPOL is not a sedative ... these presenters apparently believe it is". As I demonstrated in my reply, nothing the presenters said suggested that they believed any such thing. Why you chose to misrepresent what they said I can't imagine.

As far as I'm concerned my opinion of the theory is irrelevant to the discussion.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Is there more circumstantial evidence against the mccanns than there is CB
« Reply #3058 on: February 07, 2021, 02:49:55 PM »
First of all you stated "I know CALPOL is not a sedative ... these presenters apparently believe it is". As I demonstrated in my reply, nothing the presenters said suggested that they believed any such thing. Why you chose to misrepresent what they said I can't imagine.

As far as I'm concerned my opinion of the theory is irrelevant to the discussion.

They actually said parents give children calpol to help them sleep.....they said she may not have been able to cry out because of being given calpol...they said a syringe was found in the apartment....all garbage
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Is there more circumstantial evidence against the mccanns than there is CB
« Reply #3059 on: February 07, 2021, 03:07:49 PM »
They actually said parents giv echildren calpol to help them sleep.....they said she amy not have been able to cry out because of being given calpol...they said a syringe wa sfound in the apartment....all garbage
It's amazing that someone who is such a stickler for accuracy should be sticking up for this podcast IMO.  I wonder why she's bothering....?
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