Is there more circumstantial evidence against the mccanns than there is CB

[Vertigo Swirl]

If you declare that someone whom you name is your prime suspect in a crime does that then breach their human rights?  Were then the McCanns and Murat not denied their human rights when they were made arguidos?

[Holly Goodhead]

If you declare that someone whom you name is your prime suspect in a crime does that then breach their human rights?  Were then the McCanns and Murat not denied their human rights when they were made arguidos?

They had the right to defend themselves ie the prosecution put its case to them and they had the right to answer (or not in KM's case).  They and their lawyers were also able to refute the case against them.

In the case of CB the prosecutor is telling the whole world CB is guilty without even telling him or his lawyer what the case is against him. 

[Robittybob1]

If you declare that someone whom you name is your prime suspect in a crime does that then breach their human rights?  Were then the McCanns and Murat not denied their human rights when they were made arguidos?

No, there have been many arguidos in the McCann investigation, so they are not being denied their human rights, for they are just being asked questions, with their lawyer present.

[Vertigo Swirl]

They had the right to defend themselves ie the prosecution put its case to them and they had the right to answer (or not in KM's case).  They and their lawyers were also able to refute the case against them.

In the case of CB the prosecutor is telling the whole world CB is guilty without even telling him or his lawyer what the case is against him.

Do you have a cite for HCW telling the whole world that CB is guilty please?  This is a serious allegation about HCW, possibly libellous.

[Robittybob1]

Do you have a cite for HCW telling the whole world that CB is guilty please?  This is a serious allegation about HCW, possibly libellous.

Isn't that one of the cites that Davel has been promoting.  From memory, it was in an interview with Mark Saunokonoko.  Maybe not in that podcast, but that was where HCW names "Brueckner" by name rather than just "Christian B".
The podcast could go all over the world.

I have a feeling HCW would claim the naming of Brueckner was unintentional and he may not have listened to the podcast before it was broadcast.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Isn't that one of the cites that Davel has been promoting.  From memory, it was in an interview with Mark Saunokonoko.  Maybe not in that podcast, but that was where HCW names "Brueckner" by name rather than just "Christian B".
The podcast could go all over the world.

But what does he actually say?  Does he say something like "I'm telling you Christian Bruckner murdered Madeleine McCann no ifs no buts?" or does he refer to his prime suspect by his full name and say he has reason to believe Madeleine has been murdered without explicitly saying that CB definitely murdered her?

[Mr Gray]

Do you have a cite for HCW telling the whole world that CB is guilty please?  This is a serious allegation about HCW, possibly libellous.

He used the name Mr Breukner in the Ms podcast. He says the evidence shows MM is dead and our suspect murdered her

[Holly Goodhead]

Do you have a cite for HCW telling the whole world that CB is guilty please?  This is a serious allegation about HCW, possibly libellous.

Please desist with all this libellous talk. 

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccanns-parents-believe-probe-23158045

[Vertigo Swirl]

Please desist with all this libellous talk. 

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccanns-parents-believe-probe-23158045

I didn't say anything libellous.

[Robittybob1]

He used the name Mr Breukner in the Ms podcast. He says the evidence shows MM is dead and our suspect murdered her

The combination means our suspect [Brueckner] murdered her   No presumption of innocence there so, in the end, you could expect CB taking HCW to the ECHR no matter what the future trials may find.

[Vertigo Swirl]

He used the name Mr Breukner in the Ms podcast. He says the evidence shows MM is dead and our suspect murdered her

Then he has presumably breached Bruckner's human rights and Bruckner's solicitor should be mounting a case to prosecute the German State in the ECHR.

[G-Unit]

The prosecutor said: "We have strong evidence that Madeleine McCann is dead and that our suspect killed her.

"We don't have the body and no parts of the body, but we have enough evidence to say our suspect killed Madeleine McCann."
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11975041/madeleine-mccann-evidence-dead-christian-b-buried-videos/

[Vertigo Swirl]

The prosecutor said: "We have strong evidence that Madeleine McCann is dead and that our suspect killed her.

"We don't have the body and no parts of the body, but we have enough evidence to say our suspect killed Madeleine McCann."
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11975041/madeleine-mccann-evidence-dead-christian-b-buried-videos/

Presumably there is (in the opinion of the police) strong evidence against anyone who becomes a prime suspect in any case, so isn't HCW just stating the obvious?   

[Robittybob1]

Please desist with all this libellous talk. 

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccanns-parents-believe-probe-23158045

The McCanns seem to be having concerns about the denial of CB's right to presumption of innocence IMO.

Then he has presumably breached Bruckner's human rights and Bruckner's solicitor should be mounting a case to prosecute the German State in the ECHR.

But the ECHR only allow cases that have been litigated thoroughly within the Country's court system. 

[Mr Gray]

The combination means our suspect [Brueckner] murdered her   No presumption of innocence there so, in the end, you could expect CB taking HCW to the ECHR no matter what the future trials may find.

I think a lot depends on whether HCW has this evidence and all this is part of the reason I think he does.
If he does and CB is found guilty what can CB do. He must go through all German court appeals first and then go to the ECHR. They can't overturn the conviction..