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Offline barrier

Re: Will 2021 Bring About A Resolution?
« Reply #75 on: March 20, 2021, 08:22:26 AM »
It must be sorely disappointing for sceptics to be stuck in the tired, worn old groove since 2007...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqtb6XBBBRc

Just as it will be sorely disappointing again for supporters once another suspect  is ruled out.

In answer to the thread title, no, thats an emphatic no.
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Offline Myster

Re: Will 2021 Bring About A Resolution?
« Reply #76 on: March 20, 2021, 08:30:13 AM »
Just as it will be sorely disappointing again for supporters once another suspect  is ruled out.

In answer to the thread title, no, thats an emphatic no.
We'll see... but the McCanns were definitely ruled out in the dim and distant past.
It's one of them cases, in'it... one of them f*ckin' cases.

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Will 2021 Bring About A Resolution?
« Reply #77 on: March 20, 2021, 08:52:56 AM »
Just as it will be sorely disappointing again for supporters once another suspect  is ruled out.

In answer to the thread title, no, thats an emphatic no.
What do you suppose will rule out CB? 
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Will 2021 Bring About A Resolution?
« Reply #78 on: March 20, 2021, 08:54:10 AM »
We'll see... but the McCanns were definitely ruled out in the dim and distant past.
Ruled out but not cleared, you must never claim the McCanns were cleared, sceptics won’t have it.
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline Eleanor

Re: Will 2021 Bring About A Resolution?
« Reply #79 on: March 20, 2021, 08:55:49 AM »
We'll see... but the McCanns were definitely ruled out in the dim and distant past.

O'Connor and Me are stuck on my kitchen wall.

Offline G-Unit

Re: Will 2021 Bring About A Resolution?
« Reply #80 on: March 20, 2021, 11:46:27 AM »
We'll see... but the McCanns were definitely ruled out in the dim and distant past.

One of the Met's finest disagrees;

I do though think that a point worthy of reinforcing is that a proper, conclusive and reasoned elimination or implication of Kate and Gerry McCann would have been in everyone's interest, most of all theirs.  That would have been my first objective had I been leading Operation Grange and so that is the biggest issue I have with how that investigation proceeded.  To eliminate or implicate those closest to the child in this type of case is not only the documented best investigative practice but is common sense.  Had Grange done this then everything would be a lot clearer. I have no idea why this was not done but I am satisfied on what has been said by the Met and what is available that it was not.
https://colinsutton.blogspot.com/search?q=mccann


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Offline Anthro

Re: Will 2021 Bring About A Resolution?
« Reply #81 on: March 20, 2021, 11:53:28 AM »
With acknowledgement to a member on Websleuths:

Even without a (yet?) known straight connection to MM or CB, i would like to inform you about the fact, that a german paedophile from Dresden/Meißen, who abused children/infants, produced lots of footage to run a darkweb child porn site, has been sentenced to 13 years in prison, including a subsequent safe custody. This person is going to be behind bars for a VERY long time.

IMO that is a big success and result of the worlwide dark-web anti child porn investigations between 2017 and 2020, that also could (!) be related to the known suspect in the MM case.

The judgement is final!

Let's see, what comes next in 2021 in that context! IMO also interesting, that the perps clear name has finally been investigated in may 2020....

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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Will 2021 Bring About A Resolution?
« Reply #82 on: March 20, 2021, 12:06:59 PM »
One of the Met's finest disagrees;

I do though think that a point worthy of reinforcing is that a proper, conclusive and reasoned elimination or implication of Kate and Gerry McCann would have been in everyone's interest, most of all theirs.  That would have been my first objective had I been leading Operation Grange and so that is the biggest issue I have with how that investigation proceeded.  To eliminate or implicate those closest to the child in this type of case is not only the documented best investigative practice but is common sense.  Had Grange done this then everything would be a lot clearer. I have no idea why this was not done but I am satisfied on what has been said by the Met and what is available that it was not.
https://colinsutton.blogspot.com/search?q=mccann
Sutton  has NO IDEA if this has been done. I think that sums up his opinion
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Offline Eleanor

Re: Will 2021 Bring About A Resolution?
« Reply #83 on: March 20, 2021, 12:22:40 PM »
One of the Met's finest disagrees;

I do though think that a point worthy of reinforcing is that a proper, conclusive and reasoned elimination or implication of Kate and Gerry McCann would have been in everyone's interest, most of all theirs.  That would have been my first objective had I been leading Operation Grange and so that is the biggest issue I have with how that investigation proceeded.  To eliminate or implicate those closest to the child in this type of case is not only the documented best investigative practice but is common sense.  Had Grange done this then everything would be a lot clearer. I have no idea why this was not done but I am satisfied on what has been said by the Met and what is available that it was not.
https://colinsutton.blogspot.com/search?q=mccann

It was done.  And anyone who thinks it wasn't is daft, unless you think that The PJ Investigation was totally abysmal.  Which is always possible.

The PJ did everything within their power to find The McCanns culpable and failed miserably.

What there was has all been documented at great length and there was nothing to be found.  Scotland Yard have all of this information, so unless you think that The PJ somehow got this all wrong and missed some important information, then there wasn't anything further to investigate.


Offline Eleanor

Re: Will 2021 Bring About A Resolution?
« Reply #84 on: March 20, 2021, 12:28:51 PM »
Sutton  has NO IDEA if this has been done. I think that sums up his opinion

Dreadful really.  A fading light who saw a way to make himself relevant when he had no idea of what was going on.

Offline G-Unit

Re: Will 2021 Bring About A Resolution?
« Reply #85 on: March 20, 2021, 01:03:43 PM »
It was done.  And anyone who thinks it wasn't is daft, unless you think that The PJ Investigation was totally abysmal.  Which is always possible.

The PJ did everything within their power to find The McCanns culpable and failed miserably.

What there was has all been documented at great length and there was nothing to be found.  Scotland Yard have all of this information, so unless you think that The PJ somehow got this all wrong and missed some important information, then there wasn't anything further to investigate.

I don't think Colin Sutton can be described as daft, and I know I'm not daft. Operation Grange did not attempt to eliminate the McCanns, and by mentioning the PJ you seem to be agreeing with Rowley, who seemed to be suggesting that the PJ did so successfully. It's quite clear from their files that they did not. They were unable to incriminate them, but they certainly didn't eliminate them.
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Will 2021 Bring About A Resolution?
« Reply #86 on: March 20, 2021, 01:30:57 PM »
I don't think Colin Sutton can be described as daft, and I know I'm not daft. Operation Grange did not attempt to eliminate the McCanns, and by mentioning the PJ you seem to be agreeing with Rowley, who seemed to be suggesting that the PJ did so successfully. It's quite clear from their files that they did not. They were unable to incriminate them, but they certainly didn't eliminate them.
There was no need to investigate the McCanns and their friends all over again.  It was clear from the available evidence that they did not and could not have committed the crime.  IMO.  Should they have reinvestigated Murat?  I doubt you'd see the need for that, same goes for the McCanns IMO.
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Offline Brietta

Re: Will 2021 Bring About A Resolution?
« Reply #87 on: March 20, 2021, 01:53:55 PM »
I don't think Colin Sutton can be described as daft, and I know I'm not daft. Operation Grange did not attempt to eliminate the McCanns, and by mentioning the PJ you seem to be agreeing with Rowley, who seemed to be suggesting that the PJ did so successfully. It's quite clear from their files that they did not. They were unable to incriminate them, but they certainly didn't eliminate them.

The problem you have with that sceptic mantra is that the Germans managed to reach where they are without reference to any of the previous suspects that the Policia Judiciaria and Scotland Yard investigated.

They started with a totally clean sheet to arrive at a criminal who is a paedophile and a rapist who according to Amaral had already been investigated by the PJ ~ although I think he may be backtracking a little from that in his latest interview.

I wonder why it is that you are unable to bring yourself to granting the same respect to the McCanns and Murat that you give to that man who is very much the focus of the present active investigation into what happened to Madeleine.
Bearing in mind that there is no question that money will dictate German action in the pursuit of justice the Brits are yet again going cap in hand for funding to keep the investigation into the fate of a British child viable.

Internet detectives really are not on a par with the real deal carrying out a current investigation just as a retired detectives who never worked on the case or had anything to do with it really shouldn't be sticking his oar in either. 
That goes as well for retired detectives who did work on the case spreading disinformation about it.

The mistakes of 2007 plagued this investigation for many years but I think 2021 may be the beginning of the end for the perpetrator/s and those who may have shielded them as indicated by the zeal and success being shown by international law enforcement on tracking paedophile internet traffic.
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"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Eleanor

Re: Will 2021 Bring About A Resolution?
« Reply #88 on: March 20, 2021, 02:13:37 PM »
I don't think Colin Sutton can be described as daft, and I know I'm not daft. Operation Grange did not attempt to eliminate the McCanns, and by mentioning the PJ you seem to be agreeing with Rowley, who seemed to be suggesting that the PJ did so successfully. It's quite clear from their files that they did not. They were unable to incriminate them, but they certainly didn't eliminate them.

The PJ never even tried to eliminate The McCanns.  That much was obvious, so eliminate never even came into it.

Colin Sutton who quotes some nameless person never got within yards of the investigation so cannot have had any idea of what was going on or what was done.

I don't SEEM to be doing anything, but I do agree that The PJ got absolutely nowhere for all of their efforts to incriminate The McCanns. You might think that they would have found something, but they never did.

I don't know if you are daft or what,  But you are definitely on a busted flush.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Will 2021 Bring About A Resolution?
« Reply #89 on: March 20, 2021, 02:23:50 PM »
I don't think Colin Sutton can be described as daft, and I know I'm not daft. Operation Grange did not attempt to eliminate the McCanns, and by mentioning the PJ you seem to be agreeing with Rowley, who seemed to be suggesting that the PJ did so successfully. It's quite clear from their files that they did not. They were unable to incriminate them, but they certainly didn't eliminate them.

The McCanns are eliminated because there is no evidence against them. How else is anyone eliminated. I dont see taht Wolters is daft yet some here try to make out he is. He is in possession of concrete evidence taht he says shows MM was mudered and CB is responsible....dont you find that in any way significant?....i cant see how any open minded person does not
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