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Offline faithlilly

Re: What is wrong about this YouTube summary -Meet the Suspects video?
« Reply #210 on: December 20, 2020, 12:22:04 AM »

I read it but prefer the opinion of the Prosecutor rather than an anonymous poster with  a severe case of confirmation bias who doesnt seem to know the difference between opinion and fact

It was my opinion. It was a piece on German law.

Germany[edit]
The Basic Law (Grundgesetz) for the Federal Republic of Germany protects against double jeopardy if a final verdict is pronounced. A verdict is final if nobody appeals against it.
Nobody shall be punished multiple times for the same crime on the basis of general criminal law.
— Art. 103 (3) GG[22][23]
However, each trial party can appeal against a verdict in the first instance. The prosecution or the defendants can appeal against a judgement if they disagree with it. In this case, the trial starts again in the second instance, the court of appeal (Berufungsgericht), which reconsiders the facts and reasons and delivers a final judgement.
If one of the parties disagrees with the second instance's judgement, they can appeal it only for formal judicial reasons. The case will checked in the third instance (Revisionsgericht), whether all laws are applied correctly.
The rule applies to the whole "historical event, which is usually considered a single historical course of actions the separation of which would seem unnatural". This is true even if new facts occur that indicate other crimes.
The Penal Procedural Code (Strafprozessordnung) permits a retrial (Wiederaufnahmeverfahren), if it is in favor of the defendant or if the following events had happened:
A retrial not in favour of the defendant is permissible after a final judgement,
if a document that was considered authentic during the trial was actually not authentic or forged,
if a witness or authorised expert wilfully or negligently made a wrong deposition or wilfully gave a wrong simple testimony,
if a professional or lay judge, who made the decision, had committed a crime by violating his or her duties as a judge in the case
if an acquitted defendant makes a credible confession in court or out of court.
— § 362 StPO
In the case of an order of summary punishment, which can be issued by the court without a trial for lesser misdemeanours, there is a further exception:
A retrial not in favour of the defendant is also permissible if the defendant has been convicted in a final order of summary punishment and new facts or evidence have been brought forward, which establish grounds for a conviction of a felony by themselves or in combination with earlier evidence.
— § 373a StPO
In Germany, a felony is defined by § 12 (1) StGB as a crime that has a minimum of one year of imprisonment.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Robittybob1

Re: What is wrong about this YouTube summary -Meet the Suspects video?
« Reply #211 on: December 20, 2020, 01:24:54 AM »
I have to say that I agree with this.
I'm not your friend any more.
« Last Edit: December 20, 2020, 01:47:22 AM by Robittybob1 »
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Offline misty

Re: What is wrong about this YouTube summary -Meet the Suspects video?
« Reply #212 on: December 20, 2020, 02:41:05 AM »
It is possible she was confused as to which video the police saw in 2017.   Most people are, I'm one of them.

To clarify:-
No police force saw the videos of any rapes carried out by CB.
The video Helge B saw portrayed the rape of an Italian-speaking older woman & a young girl tied to a post.
No video was seen by Helge B or Manfred S portraying the rape of the 72yr old victim DM in Luz, the crime for which CB was convicted in December 2019 in Germany.

Offline Robittybob1

Re: What is wrong about this YouTube summary -Meet the Suspects video?
« Reply #213 on: December 20, 2020, 03:02:55 AM »
To clarify:-
No police force saw the videos of any rapes carried out by CB.
The video Helge B saw portrayed the rape of an Italian-speaking older woman & a young girl tied to a post.
No video was seen by Helge B or Manfred S portraying the rape of the 72yr old victim DM in Luz, the crime for which CB was convicted in December 2019 in Germany.
How did you work all that out?
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Offline sadie

Re: What is wrong about this YouTube summary -Meet the Suspects video?
« Reply #214 on: December 20, 2020, 03:07:38 AM »
To clarify:-
No police force saw the videos of any rapes carried out by CB.
The video Helge B saw portrayed the rape of an Italian-speaking older woman & a young girl tied to a post.
No video was seen by Helge B or Manfred S portraying the rape of the 72yr old victim DM in Luz, the crime for which CB was convicted in December 2019 in Germany.

Interesting observations, misty

I wish I could express myself as clearly as you do.

Offline Robittybob1

Re: What is wrong about this YouTube summary -Meet the Suspects video?
« Reply #215 on: December 20, 2020, 07:03:04 AM »
To clarify:-
No police force saw the videos of any rapes carried out by CB.
The video Helge B saw portrayed the rape of an Italian-speaking older woman & a young girl tied to a post.
No video was seen by Helge B or Manfred S portraying the rape of the 72yr old victim DM in Luz, the crime for which CB was convicted in December 2019 in Germany.
To clarify the names:
"Helge Busching and another friend Manfred Seyferth knew Christian B from when they all lived in Praia da Luz, the Portuguese resort where Madeleine was on holiday.
Source https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12638463/witness-mccann-guilty-christian-b/

"the name of suspect Christian Brueckner"

Helga Busching "claims Brueckner told him he was involved in abducting Maddie while they were talking at a kite festival in Orgiva, Spain, in 2008".   https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8720485/Witness-helped-launch-Madeleine-McCann-investigation-says-Christian-Brueckner-guilty.html

"Brueckner's lawyer Friedrich Fulscher said last week that his client was 'innocent' of any involvement in the disappearance of Madeleine.



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Offline Myster

Re: What is wrong about this YouTube summary -Meet the Suspects video?
« Reply #216 on: December 20, 2020, 07:12:09 AM »
To clarify the names:
"Helge Busching and another friend Manfred Seyferth knew Christian B from when they all lived in Praia da Luz, the Portuguese resort where Madeleine was on holiday.
Source https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12638463/witness-mccann-guilty-christian-b/

"the name of suspect Christian Brueckner"

Helga Busching "claims Brueckner told him he was involved in abducting Maddie while they were talking at a kite festival in Orgiva, Spain, in 2008".   https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8720485/Witness-helped-launch-Madeleine-McCann-investigation-says-Christian-Brueckner-guilty.html

"Brueckner's lawyer Friedrich Fulscher said last week that his client was 'innocent' of any involvement in the disappearance of Madeleine.
I thought you were clarifying?
It's one of them cases, in'it... one of them f*ckin' cases.

Offline Robittybob1

Re: What is wrong about this YouTube summary -Meet the Suspects video?
« Reply #217 on: December 20, 2020, 07:22:59 AM »
I thought you were clarifying?
Clarify the spelling of their names, if I want to do a Google search. 
Maybe we'd need the names of the victims as well. 
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: What is wrong about this YouTube summary -Meet the Suspects video?
« Reply #218 on: December 20, 2020, 08:41:18 AM »
"Portuguese police failed to crack the case at the time but Christian B was arrested 12 years later when two pals reported him after finding disturbing films in his home.

They said the films, which have never been found, showed him raping and torturing the elderly victim.

DNA sample taken from a hair at the scene helped convict him and he was jailed for seven years last December."
From https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11800974/madeleine-mccann-suspect-rape-victim/

the films, which have never been found

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Offline Mr Gray

Re: What is wrong about this YouTube summary -Meet the Suspects video?
« Reply #219 on: December 20, 2020, 08:54:09 AM »
"Portuguese police failed to crack the case at the time but Christian B was arrested 12 years later when two pals reported him after finding disturbing films in his home.

They said the films, which have never been found, showed him raping and torturing the elderly victim.

DNA sample taken from a hair at the scene helped convict him and he was jailed for seven years last December."
From https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11800974/madeleine-mccann-suspect-rape-victim/

the films, which have never been found
We all understand that... And that's why the video you posted is wrong

Offline jassi

Re: What is wrong about this YouTube summary -Meet the Suspects video?
« Reply #220 on: December 20, 2020, 09:16:29 AM »
"Portuguese police failed to crack the case at the time but Christian B was arrested 12 years later when two pals reported him after finding disturbing films in his home.

They said the films, which have never been found, showed him raping and torturing the elderly victim.

DNA sample taken from a hair at the scene helped convict him and he was jailed for seven years last December."
From https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11800974/madeleine-mccann-suspect-rape-victim/

the films, which have never been found

It makes me wonder what ,if anything, in the media  can be believed
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline Mr Gray

Re: What is wrong about this YouTube summary -Meet the Suspects video?
« Reply #221 on: December 20, 2020, 09:20:46 AM »
"Portuguese police failed to crack the case at the time but Christian B was arrested 12 years later when two pals reported him after finding disturbing films in his home.

They said the films, which have never been found, showed him raping and torturing the elderly victim.

DNA sample taken from a hair at the scene helped convict him and he was jailed for seven years last December."
From https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11800974/madeleine-mccann-suspect-rape-victim/

the films, which have never been found

But we know they existed

Offline jassi

Re: What is wrong about this YouTube summary -Meet the Suspects video?
« Reply #222 on: December 20, 2020, 09:39:39 AM »
If the authorities don't have this video, how can we be sure it existed in the first place ?
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline faithlilly

Re: What is wrong about this YouTube summary -Meet the Suspects video?
« Reply #223 on: December 20, 2020, 09:43:09 AM »
But we know they existed

Not one of the rape of the 72 year old.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline barrier

Re: What is wrong about this YouTube summary -Meet the Suspects video?
« Reply #224 on: December 20, 2020, 09:43:58 AM »
"Portuguese police failed to crack the case at the time but Christian B was arrested 12 years later when two pals reported him after finding disturbing films in his home.

They said the films, which have never been found, showed him raping and torturing the elderly victim.

DNA sample taken from a hair at the scene helped convict him and he was jailed for seven years last December."
From https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11800974/madeleine-mccann-suspect-rape-victim/

the films, which have never been found


Did his ex pals testify under oath that they had indeed seen the film?
This is my own private domicile and I shall not be harassed, biatch:Jesse Pinkman Character.