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[Holly Goodhead]

Then do some research.

We dont have access to all the material but this doesn't stop some accepting what they're told at face value. 

[Holly Goodhead]

None of your questions make any difference to the point I have repeatedly made and which you have repeatedly ignored,

Your points?  You claim the witness statements from CB's criminal assoicates, re the contents of the vids depicting CB raping the victim, corroborate perfectly with the wit stat provided by the rape victim?  If my understanding is correct how do you know this to be true? 

[Holly Goodhead]

I am still thinking in terms of Mute of Malice.  This can be determined by a Court if a Defendant refuses to Plead or speak and does affect how a Court might rule.

There is a term for this in German Law.

I don't know whether it would be considered in this case but it almost certainly won't help him.

It might help CB and FF if they had some understanding of the case against him, which is the norm if someone is accused of some deed.  I believe CB and FF are on record saying CB had no involvement with MM's disappearance.  What more would you expect them to say given the circumstances?

[Vertigo Swirl]

Your points?  You claim the witness statements from CB's criminal assoicates, re the contents of the vids depicting CB raping the victim, corroborate perfectly with the wit stat provided by the rape victim?  If my understanding is correct how do you know this to be true?

I don't think I used the word "perfectly" but yes these two men witnessed a rape taking place on a video details of which matched those of a reported rape that they (the two men) hitherto would have had no knowledge of, details of which would undoubtedly have been verified by the victim herself, and a video showing a man whose DNA just so happened to match that of a hair retrieved from the victim's bed years previously.  What do you mean by "if your understanding is correct"?  I know this to be true because the evidence was submitted in a court of law and found to be correct and CB was found guilty.  You are of course at liberty to doubt any and all convictions on the basis that the evidence was tampered with or the police and / or witnesses and / or justice system were lying or colluding but for that you would need some solid evidence to back up your claims.  Do you have any?

[jassi]

I am still thinking in terms of Mute of Malice.  This can be determined by a Court if a Defendant refuses to Plead or speak and does affect how a Court might rule.

There is a term for this in German Law.

I don't know whether it would be considered in this case but it almost certainly won't help him.

As far as I can see, no such situation has yet arisen in that he hasn't refused to plead or speak for the simple reason that he isn't currently  charged with anything.

[Mr Gray]

Your points?  You claim the witness statements from CB's criminal assoicates, re the contents of the vids depicting CB raping the victim, corroborate perfectly with the wit stat provided by the rape victim?  If my understanding is correct how do you know this to be true?

If you read the account in the newspapers... That's all we have to go by... The informants gave an account of what was on the video.. The police looked back through all their reported cases and found one that matched the description. In this case there was a hair recovered from the bed which matched CB. That is a coincidence too far for me... And the courts

[Holly Goodhead]

Your points?  You claim the witness statements from CB's criminal assoicates, re the contents of the vids depicting CB raping the victim, corroborate perfectly with the wit stat provided by the rape victim?  If my understanding is correct how do you know this to be true?

Afaik all the research shows where individuals are presented with material: audio, written, images etc and memories of actual events, they will recall and perceive in very different ways so much so its difficult to comprehend how they're describing the same material/event.

T9 wit stats are riddled with inconsistencies and yet you believe them to be true.  Wit stats from CB's criminal associates and rape victim corroborate perfectly, according to you, and you believe them to be true.  So it seems whether wit stats are riddled with inconsistencies or corroborate perfectly you believe both to be true. 

[Holly Goodhead]

If you read the account in the newspapers... That's all we have to go by... The informants gave an account of what was on the video.. The police looked back through all their reported cases and found one that matched the description. In this case there was a hair recovered from the bed which matched CB. That is a coincidence too far for me... And the courts

How do you know all this to be true?

[Vertigo Swirl]

Afaik all the research shows where individuals are presented with material: audio, written, images etc and memories of actual events, they will recall and perceive in very different ways so much so its difficult to comprehend how they're describing the same material/event.

T9 wit stats are riddled with inconsistencies and yet you believe them to be true.  Wit stats from CB's criminal associates and rape victim corroborate perfectly, according to you, and you believe them to be true.  So it seems whether wit stats are riddled with inconsistencies or corroborate perfectly you believe both to be true.

You seem to be addressing yourself here.  It's not a question of what I or Davel believe to be true, it's a question of what the court decided having full access to the facts.  They decided CB was guilty of violently raping an old woman.  Perhaps you can tell us why you don't believe he did?

[Mr Gray]

How do you know all this to be true?

I really cant be bothered with your constant pointless arguing. you beleive what you wish and I will do similar.

I dont know its true. There could be a massive conspiracy by the illuminati or reptilians to frame CB and take all suspicion away from the McCanns because Gerry has information re Lady Di's death and that she was a reptile too.

[Lace]

Not demaning anything.  Im just saying Im not prepared to take the single hair at face value without knowing more about exactly how it connects CB to soc.

DNA

[Lace]

We're 9 months on now and he hasn't even been interviewed.  Not forgetting the MET and BKA have been working on this line of inquiry years before the appeal.

I read somewhere that the other sexual accusations would be taken to court first.   The last I read about the Police and Madeleine's case,  they were going to go back to Portugal.   Maybe covid restrictions hasn't allowed them to do this yet IMO

[jassi]

Not demaning anything.  Im just saying Im not prepared to take the single hair at face value without knowing more about exactly how it connects CB to soc.

The problem is that we have no details of this rape trial and so have not idea what the defence case might have been, merely the verdict and punishment.
On the face of it , it seems extraordinary that a single short & curly would be enough to convict, so I feel there must have been more than that and a dubious claim to have seen a video of a similar rape.

Either that or the Germans have a peculiar criminal  justice system.

[Eleanor]

The problem is that we have no details of this rape trial and so have not idea what the defence case might have been, merely the verdict and punishment.
On the face of it , it seems extraordinary that a single short & curly would be enough to convict, so I feel there must have been more than that and a dubious claim to have seen a video of a similar rape.

Either that or the Germans have a peculiar criminal  justice system.

One Pubic Hair in The Victims bed is quite enough, thank you.

[Mr Gray]

The problem is that we have no details of this rape trial and so have not idea what the defence case might have been, merely the verdict and punishment.
On the face of it , it seems extraordinary that a single short & curly would be enough to convict, so I feel there must have been more than that and a dubious claim to have seen a video of a similar rape.

Either that or the Germans have a peculiar criminal  justice system.

What a sensible post