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Offline Eleanor

Re: What is libel on the Madeleine McCann board?
« Reply #135 on: February 13, 2021, 11:38:06 PM »
I’m still none the wiser about what is and is not allowed or punishable on this forum after today’s discussion.  Anyone else?

I think it is as simple as a few Ifs, Buts and Maybes.

Beside, any one Comment can only be looked at in context.  Before I decide to Reinstate a Deleted Comment I look at possibilities and usually decide to act with caution, which means that I rarely Reinstate.

I do not believe that any of these infringements deserve Warning Points unless they are blatant and repeated.

However, I never reduce Warning Points because this remains for me the prerogative of John and Admin.

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: What is libel on the Madeleine McCann board?
« Reply #136 on: February 13, 2021, 11:40:22 PM »
Of course some cite Cat Baker as an independent witness to the window being open but she didn’t see the window until after Kate raised the alarm. A witness’s testimony would only be useful if they’d gone with Kate to do the check and saw the window open at that time.
That’s your opinion.  The fact is it is incorrect to say there was no witness testimony to say the window was open as G-Unit did.
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline faithlilly

Re: What is libel on the Madeleine McCann board?
« Reply #137 on: February 14, 2021, 12:18:30 AM »
Just checked and it appears to be Amy Tierney who mentioned the window.

‘She confirms that, on the night of the disappearance she was on duty and immediately went to the bedroom to see if the girl was hiding. She saw that the shutter was raised and that the window was partially open. It was then that she began to look in the wardrobes to see if the girl was hiding.

The first idea that occurred to her was that the girl could have left by her own means, however after checking that the window was open and the shutter raised she asked the parents whether Madeleine's shoes were there, to which they replied that they were, these facts led her to think that Madeleine could have been taken by someone.’

This however is problematic as evidence of the window being open at the time of the alert. She says she went ‘immediately’ to the bedroom however she doesn’t specify a time. This can only ever be evidence that at one point during the night of the 3rd she saw the window was open but not when.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline G-Unit

Re: What is libel on the Madeleine McCann board?
« Reply #138 on: February 14, 2021, 12:22:58 AM »
You posted opinion as fact, can you really not see that?  Your words
“ there was no corroberation by any of the witnesses present at the time.”
An incorrect statement of fact.

Was your witness present "at the time" as I specified; i.e. 10pm? As I understand the evidence only the McCann, Payne and Oldfied couples were present, along with Russell O'Brien.

You posted opinion as fact when you said Amaral's motive in resigning was to cash in on the disappearance of Madeleine McCann by publishing a book about it. You seem unable to grasp that fact, which is strange when you are so keen to highlight alleged breaches of that forum rule by others.

Read and abide by the forum rules.
Result = happy posting.
Ignore and break the rules
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Offline Eleanor

Re: What is libel on the Madeleine McCann board?
« Reply #139 on: February 14, 2021, 12:34:39 AM »
Was your witness present "at the time" as I specified; i.e. 10pm? As I understand the evidence only the McCann, Payne and Oldfied couples were present, along with Russell O'Brien.

You posted opinion as fact when you said Amaral's motive in resigning was to cash in on the disappearance of Madeleine McCann by publishing a book about it. You seem unable to grasp that fact, which is strange when you are so keen to highlight alleged breaches of that forum rule by others.

Amaral's reason for resigning was to cash in, since The PJ refused permission for him to publish why still being employed by that Institution.  And at which point his salary ceased.  So what did he think he was going to live on other than the proceeds of The Book?  You could try telling me that.

His Honour had already been seriously damaged by then and wasn't going to be repaired by The Book.


Offline Robittybob1

Re: What is libel on the Madeleine McCann board?
« Reply #140 on: February 14, 2021, 12:45:03 AM »
I’m still none the wiser about what is and is not allowed or punishable on this forum after today’s discussion.  Anyone else?
Too early as yet.
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Offline faithlilly

Re: What is libel on the Madeleine McCann board?
« Reply #141 on: February 14, 2021, 12:46:30 AM »
Amaral's reason for resigning was to cash in, since The PJ refused permission for him to publish why still being employed by that Institution.  And at which point his salary ceased.  So what did he think he was going to live on other than the proceeds of The Book?  You could try telling me that.

His Honour had already been seriously damaged by then and wasn't going to be repaired by The Book.

This is what Amaral says in the foreword to his book.

‘Certainly, this book responds to the need I felt to defend myself, having been discredited by the institution for which I worked for more than twenty-six years, without being given any chance to explain myself, publicly or within the institution itself. I made the request several times, but it was never heard. I, therefore, scrupulously respected the rules of the police judiciaire and I refrained from making any comment. But this goes without saying: I experienced that silence to which I was constrained as an attack on my dignity. Later, I was removed from the investigation. It was then that I understood that it was time to speak. To do that, I requested early retirement in order to be able to express myself freely.’

We must take him at his word. Strangely not everyone is motivated by money and at that point he would have had his pension to live on.




Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Eleanor

Re: What is libel on the Madeleine McCann board?
« Reply #142 on: February 14, 2021, 12:56:49 AM »
This is what Amaral says in the foreword to his book.

‘Certainly, this book responds to the need I felt to defend myself, having been discredited by the institution for which I worked for more than twenty-six years, without being given any chance to explain myself, publicly or within the institution itself. I made the request several times, but it was never heard. I, therefore, scrupulously respected the rules of the police judiciaire and I refrained from making any comment. But this goes without saying: I experienced that silence to which I was constrained as an attack on my dignity. Later, I was removed from the investigation. It was then that I understood that it was time to speak. To do that, I requested early retirement in order to be able to express myself freely.’

We must take him at his word. Strangely not everyone is motivated by money and at that point he would have had his pension to live on.

He had already written his rotten book by then.  And part of his pension was  then sequestered to pay off his huge Tax Debt to The State of Portugal.  What was left of his Pension wasn't going to go very far in keeping his family.

Offline faithlilly

Re: What is libel on the Madeleine McCann board?
« Reply #143 on: February 14, 2021, 01:07:03 AM »
He had already written his rotten book by then.  And part of his pension was  then sequestered to pay off his huge Tax Debt to The State of Portugal.  What was left of his Pension wasn't going to go very far in keeping his family.

But, as far as we are aware, he didn’t know that at the time he resigned.

Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Robittybob1

Re: What is libel on the Madeleine McCann board?
« Reply #144 on: February 14, 2021, 01:08:07 AM »
He had already written his rotten book by then.  And part of his pension was  then sequestered to pay off his huge Tax Debt to The State of Portugal.  What was left of his Pension wasn't going to go very far in keeping his family.
Have you libelled the IRS of the state of Portugal?  How did you know all of this?
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Offline Eleanor

Re: What is libel on the Madeleine McCann board?
« Reply #145 on: February 14, 2021, 01:12:41 AM »
But, as far as we are aware, he didn’t know that at the time he resigned.

He certainly knew that his Salary would cease.  And he knew how much money he owed to various institutions.

Offline Robittybob1

Re: What is libel on the Madeleine McCann board?
« Reply #146 on: February 14, 2021, 01:16:58 AM »
He certainly knew that his Salary would cease.  And he knew how much money he owed to various institutions.
Do you know why he had got behind with paying his taxes.  In NZ government employees pay tax as they earn.   Did Amaral have other sources of income?
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Offline Eleanor

Re: What is libel on the Madeleine McCann board?
« Reply #147 on: February 14, 2021, 01:19:43 AM »
Have you libelled the IRS of the state of Portugal?  How did you know all of this?

Common Knowledge, Rob.  I have been around this for a very long time.  Amaral already owed many thousand in 2002 to various institutions.

Offline Eleanor

Re: What is libel on the Madeleine McCann board?
« Reply #148 on: February 14, 2021, 01:23:23 AM »
Do you know why he had got behind with paying his taxes.  In NZ government employees pay tax as they earn.   Did Amaral have other sources of income?

If you don't submit a Tax Return then you don't get a Tax Bill.  But it catches up with you eventually.

Offline faithlilly

Re: What is libel on the Madeleine McCann board?
« Reply #149 on: February 14, 2021, 01:27:12 AM »
He certainly knew that his Salary would cease.  And he knew how much money he owed to various institutions.

How do we know how much Amaral owed? I believe I heard about a court case with his brother, something about owing him half the money for a house, please correct me if I’m wrong....but the rest?
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?