Author Topic: Helge Bushing And Manfred Seyferth  (Read 19960 times)

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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Helge Bushing And Manfred Seyferth
« Reply #105 on: February 17, 2021, 07:23:01 PM »
Maybe he was told to? I ask myself why he would even be remotely interested in the case of British child who went missing in Portugal many years before he made the call to OG, just as Tatschl was interested enough to pay close attention to the Netflix documentary about the same incident.
IIRC Busching's sentence was 7 years and he served about 2 years 5 months.

“ However, he did not appear in court and was arrested in 2015 in Thessaloniki when he had returned to Greece on vacation.
He was taken to court where he was sentenced to seven years and five months in prison”
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Helge Bushing And Manfred Seyferth
« Reply #106 on: February 17, 2021, 07:25:13 PM »
From Websleuths

HB
- has permanent residence in France
- Francophile with ties to Corsica
- 2007 was in Algarve
- 2011, April, arrested in Brindisi for social unrest
- 2011(?) lived in Athens
- 2011 arrested in Igoumenitsa, Corfu, for transporting migrants from Africa, but was released soon after
- 2015 arrested in Thessaloniki for transporting 3 migrants in Corfu and sentenced to 7+ yrs.
- 2015, April 9th, in prison in Chania, Crete, and released in July 2017
- 2016, as from Oct. he uses cell phone of a Balkan woman
- 2017 (May) used the cell phone of a Balkan woman residing in Athens to contact Operation Grange about MM
- 2017 (July) released from prison in Chania, Crete
- 2017 lived in Lamia (NW from Athens) after his release

Main sources:
Η Σκότλαντ Γιαρντ ψάχνει το «μυστικό» της μικρής Μαντλίν στην Αθήνα - Ειδήσεις - νέα - Το Βήμα Online
Στην Ελλάδα «τμήμα» της έρευνας για την εξαφάνιση της μικρής Μαντλίν – Αποκαλυπτικά έγγραφα - LarissaPress
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline faithlilly

Re: Helge Bushing And Manfred Seyferth
« Reply #107 on: February 17, 2021, 08:08:02 PM »
Maybe he was told to? I ask myself why he would even be remotely interested in the case of British child who went missing in Portugal many years before he made the call to OG, just as Tatschl was interested enough to pay close attention to the Netflix documentary about the same incident.
IIRC Busching's sentence was 7 years and he served about 2 years 5 months.

He was probably interested in the case because a) he appears to have frequented Portugal at the time and b) information on a world famous case like this would certainly give in the most leverage with law enforcement.

Can you truly in your heart of hearts describe an individual who...

Burglarised houses.
Kept the details of two rapes secret, potentially endangering  more women.
Kept secret the confession of his friend that he had kidnapped Madeleine for 9 years, potentially putting more children at risk.
Trafficked individuals potentially to feed the sex and forced labour markets
Attacked a homeless person.
 
a reliable witness?

Of course this is only the crimes that we’re aware of.

Imagine if he’d gone to the police when Brueckner allegedly confessed to him how many years of suffering he would have spared Madeleine’s parents.

It really is beyond me how anyone, let alone law enforcement, can believe a word this degenerate says.


Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Helge Bushing And Manfred Seyferth
« Reply #108 on: February 17, 2021, 08:23:26 PM »
Interesting Greek document about Bushing’s calles to. Op Grange, state he contacted them anonymously in the first instance


Directorate of International Police Cooperation
SIRENE Department
(addresses and names and phone numbers follow)

Notification/Communication: 1) Directorate of Criminological Investigations 2) ΥΕΕΒΕ (CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION DEPARTMENT OF NORTHERN GREECE)
3) *possibly* Police station of Thessaloniki

Theme: Article 32 of Decision 2007/533 / JHA - MISSING PERSON - NATIONAL of UNITED KINGDOM McCann Madeleine, born 12/5/2003 - Registration by the Portuguese authorities

Athens, 18/7/2017 (18th of July 2017)
Electronic *trafficking?* for those ... who are connected to the POL network

To: 1) Initial Identity Search Branch (not sure how to translate this)
2) Thessaloniki Police Department
3) TA Omonia (Omonia Security Department)

1. We are letting you know that the minor in question is registered in SIS II under Article 32 (Measure for Missing Persons - Minors) by the Dutch authorities, as on 3/5/2007, at the age of four, she disappeared when she was on holiday with her parents at the tourist resort Praia da Luz in Portugal.
2. Following information we received from the Hellenic (Greek) Police Association in London, it is reported that the Metropolitan Police of London has submitted a request related to the "Grange" operation, which is active in gathering information and attempting to locate her, regarding the matter with the aforementioned minor.
3. More specifically, in May of this year a person who initially refused to disclose their identity, contacted the team of the Grange operation, but who afterwards admitted of being a German national and is named L***, born in 1971, and mentioned that he has information and would like to aid the British authorities in their searches. The one in question, who uses the no. 6*** mobile phone, stated that he lives in an area of Attica and that he was recently released after serving a sentence of 2 years and seven months for an offence he allegedly committed in 2011 - most likely a case of smuggling illegal immigrants. He further stated that he must report once a month to a police station (which he did not know to name but it is believed to be the Omonia Police Department) and that he has been barred from leaving the country. He also stated that in Greece he maintains friendly relations with a German citizen, about 60 years old. So far, the information he has given voluntarily and without any financial or other consideration to the Metropolitan Police regarding the case has been cross-checked and is considered a reliable source.
4. In order to fulfil (satisfy) the request of the London Metropolitan Police, please let us know of any available information which arises from the files kept by your Service.
5. The Services to which this document is notified are requested to be informed and to act competently and consequently inform us in this regard.
6. Please let your answers be communicated to the other recipients hereof for their information.
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Helge Bushing And Manfred Seyferth
« Reply #109 on: February 17, 2021, 08:24:52 PM »
Another translation of another Greek document, lifted from Websleuths

INTERNATIONAL POLICE COOPERATION DIVISION

Attica Security Directorate
File and Identity Search Sub-Directorate / Search Department
(addresses and names and phone numbers follow)

Theme: Article 32 of Decision 2007/533 / JHA - MISSING PERSON - NATIONAL of the UNITED KINGDOM McCann Madeleine, born 12/5/2003 - Registration by the Portuguese authorities

Athens, 20/7/2017 (20th of July 2017)
Electronic *trafficking?* for those who are connected to the POL network
To: 1) INTERNATIONAL POLICE COOPERATION DIVISION

In execution of the above, we inform you that from the Archive of our Directorate nothing appears for the German citizen L ****, born 1971, as he happens to be unknown.

From the searches we carried out for him in the available applications of the Department of Informatics, his full identity was verified, which are B **** (surname) H*** (name) of RAINER and IRENE, born 11/02/1971 in Germany, holder of the passport no. xxxxxx issued by the German Authorities and of the xxxxxx Tax Registration Number certified by the Tax Office of Chania, with declared residence address at the Agricultural Detention Center Agios and contact phone number 28210-xxxxx (which corresponds to the telephone number of the secretariat of the aforementioned Detention Center).

For the above individual, the no. 83351 file prepared by the YEEVE (Directorate of Criminal Investigations in Northern Greece) of KTH type, with registration date on 10/04/2015, as well as the no. 001381180 kept file (person number and form 6169191) at the AEA (Directorate of State Security of the Greek Police Headquarters) / Directorate of Foreigners, which is said to have been drawn up on 03/05/2017, in the context of the first registration of a foreigner DIRECTORY by the same Service.

From our further investigation, it emerged that he is registered by the Chania Police Directorate in the application "Permits-Release of Prisoners" with number 1294B2, as he had received three exit permits while he was detained at the Agricultural Detention Center of Agia Chania. 09/04/2015)

According to the external communications data provided to us by the company concerned for the no. 69xxx telephone connection, the holder of which is a foreign national under data ATANASOVA (surname) KAMELIYA (name) with declared residential address on Kozozi street no. XX in Athens (area of Agios Panteleimon), with ID number 643488247, which activated this connection in 2016. (cannot see the exact date)

Our Service is constantly on the case and in case the missing person is located or in case further information emerges that may contribute to it, we will come back.
Please be advised.
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Helge Bushing And Manfred Seyferth
« Reply #110 on: February 17, 2021, 08:30:41 PM »
"It really is beyond me how anyone, let alone law enforcement, can believe a word this degenerate says."

They don't have a lot of choice.
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Offline misty

Re: Helge Bushing And Manfred Seyferth
« Reply #111 on: February 17, 2021, 08:38:51 PM »
He was probably interested in the case because a) he appears to have frequented Portugal at the time and b) information on a world famous case like this would certainly give in the most leverage with law enforcement.

Can you truly in your heart of hearts describe an individual who...

Burglarised houses.
Kept the details of two rapes secret, potentially endangering  more women.
Kept secret the confession of his friend that he had kidnapped Madeleine for 9 years, potentially putting more children at risk.
Trafficked individuals potentially to feed the sex and forced labour markets
Attacked a homeless person.
 
a reliable witness?

Of course this is only the crimes that we’re aware of.

Imagine if he’d gone to the police when Brueckner allegedly confessed to him how many years of suffering he would have spared Madeleine’s parents.

It really is beyond me how anyone, let alone law enforcement, can believe a word this degenerate says.

Wouldn't he have held more leverage if he'd provided details of the people traffickers he worked for?

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Helge Bushing And Manfred Seyferth
« Reply #112 on: February 17, 2021, 08:40:05 PM »
He was probably interested in the case because a) he appears to have frequented Portugal at the time and b) information on a world famous case like this would certainly give in the most leverage with law enforcement.

Can you truly in your heart of hearts describe an individual who...

Burglarised houses.
Kept the details of two rapes secret, potentially endangering  more women.
Kept secret the confession of his friend that he had kidnapped Madeleine for 9 years, potentially putting more children at risk.
Trafficked individuals potentially to feed the sex and forced labour markets
Attacked a homeless person.
 
a reliable witness?

Of course this is only the crimes that we’re aware of.

Imagine if he’d gone to the police when Brueckner allegedly confessed to him how many years of suffering he would have spared Madeleine’s parents.

It really is beyond me how anyone, let alone law enforcement, can believe a word this degenerate says.
Try not to get too emotional about it.  Clearly the police investigating his claims are treating him as a credible witness whether you approve or not.
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline faithlilly

Re: Helge Bushing And Manfred Seyferth
« Reply #113 on: February 17, 2021, 09:08:17 PM »
Wouldn't he have held more leverage if he'd provided details of the people traffickers he worked for?

I wasn’t aware he worked for anyone.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline faithlilly

Re: Helge Bushing And Manfred Seyferth
« Reply #114 on: February 17, 2021, 09:10:06 PM »
"It really is beyond me how anyone, let alone law enforcement, can believe a word this degenerate says."

They don't have a lot of choice.

Very true. Looks like any port in a storm.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Helge Bushing And Manfred Seyferth
« Reply #115 on: February 17, 2021, 10:03:49 PM »
From the same Greek poster on Websleuths who provided the above translations

“I think I solved the mystery of HB getting out of prison so early. In 2015 new laws were introduced in Greece that enabled prisoners to be released earlier, as part of Article 12 "Emergency measures to decongest detention facilities"

" Prisoners who at the time of publication of this law serve a custodial sentence shall be released by order of the public prosecutor of the place of sentencing, as follows: a) if their sentence lasts up to three years, if they have in any way served one tenth of it, .... c) if Their imprisonment lasts for more than five years, provided that they have in any way served one-fifth of it."

The article also postulates that the public prosecutor decides on further restraining orders upon their release (as we saw with HB”
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Helge Bushing And Manfred Seyferth
« Reply #116 on: February 17, 2021, 10:15:33 PM »
Some women like Ugly men.
A description of Brückner from Bild in August last year

The man is described as follows: His face is pockmarked, he has smokers' teeth and chewed fingernails, scars on his right leg (thigh and hip), moles all over his body. Christian B. has blond, full hair, is 1.82 meters tall and slender. He speaks with the Franconian dialect and can speak Portuguese.

https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=de&u=https://www.bild.de/news/inland/news-inland/fall-maddie-christian-b-missbrauchte-tochter-5-seiner-ex-freundin-72411236.bild.html&prev=search&pto=aue
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Helge Bushing And Manfred Seyferth
« Reply #117 on: February 17, 2021, 10:16:43 PM »
A description of Brückner from Bild in August last year

The man is described as follows: His face is pockmarked, he has smokers' teeth and chewed fingernails, scars on his right leg (thigh and hip), moles all over his body. Christian B. has blond, full hair, is 1.82 meters tall and slender. He speaks with the Franconian dialect and can speak Portuguese.

https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=de&u=https://www.bild.de/news/inland/news-inland/fall-maddie-christian-b-missbrauchte-tochter-5-seiner-ex-freundin-72411236.bild.html&prev=search&pto=aue

I’m wondering if the scarring on his thigh / hip might have been the mark referred to by the woman who was raped in Portugal (Hazel?)
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline G-Unit

Re: Helge Bushing And Manfred Seyferth
« Reply #118 on: March 02, 2021, 09:48:27 AM »
In part 3 of the Discovery documentary Seyforth is asked if Busching might have had reward money in mind when he contacted Op Grange in 2017. His reply was that it wouldn't surprise him, as "he would sell his mother for money". (9:04)
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Helge Bushing And Manfred Seyferth
« Reply #119 on: March 02, 2021, 09:55:37 AM »
In part 3 of the Discovery documentary Seyforth is asked if Busching might have had reward money in mind when he contacted Op Grange in 2017. His reply was that it wouldn't surprise him, as "he would sell his mother for money". (9:04)

It depends what other evidence Wolters has. I thought he came over quite confident in the documentary