Dog alerts indicating Cadaver Odor

[debunker]

Given that the only set of alerts indicating the possibility of cadaver odor is that Eddie alerts (indicating blood or cadaver) and Keela does not alert (meaning no blood), how many items or places does this refer to- where we have clear evidence that both dogs were tasked and  Eddie alerted and Keela did not.

[Redblossom]

Clear evidence, from the dog video and from the files, in two cases

- around the parents' bedroom wardrobe area
- clothing

No evidence from either the dog video or the police files (at least as far as I have seen or read) that Keela the blood dog was sent into the following areas where Eddie the cadaver dog alerted

- verandah outside the parents' bedroom
- flowerbed area outside the flat
- the soft toy

[debunker]

Clear evidence, from the dog video and from the files, in two cases

- around the parents' bedroom wardrobe area
- clothing

No evidence from either the dog video or the police files (at least as far as I have seen or read) that Keela the blood dog was sent into the following areas where Eddie the cadaver dog alerted

- verandah outside the parents' bedroom
- flowerbed area outside the flat
- the soft toy

And a single alert is likely to be in error 10-20% of the time.

[icabodcrane]

Clear evidence, from the dog video and from the files, in two cases

- around the parents' bedroom wardrobe area
- clothing

No evidence from either the dog video or the police files (at least as far as I have seen or read) that Keela the blood dog was sent into the following areas where Eddie the cadaver dog alerted

- verandah outside the parents' bedroom
- flowerbed area outside the flat
- the soft toy

And a single alert is likely to be in error 10-20% of the time.

So when Eddie alerted at the McCann's wardrobe  ( where Keela did not )  we can say it was not blood,  but cadaver scent he was alerting to

...  and we can say there is an  80%/90%  chance that his alert was accurate

Is that correct  ?

[amaraltheofficeboy]

you can correctly say, like Grime himself says, that the alert has no evidential value without forensic backup.

[debunker]

Clear evidence, from the dog video and from the files, in two cases

- around the parents' bedroom wardrobe area
- clothing

No evidence from either the dog video or the police files (at least as far as I have seen or read) that Keela the blood dog was sent into the following areas where Eddie the cadaver dog alerted

- verandah outside the parents' bedroom
- flowerbed area outside the flat
- the soft toy

And a single alert is likely to be in error 10-20% of the time.

So when Eddie alerted at the McCann's wardrobe  ( where Keela did not )  we can say it was not blood,  but cadaver scent he was alerting to

...  and we can say there is an  80%/90%  chance that his alert was accurate

Is that correct  ?

That would be a fair assessment according to the research.

[registrar]

Grime had his doggies filmed by

Duarte Levy

who flogged the fillum to the Sun for a cool 100k

hey, even Joana M. hates Levy's guts - so that connection (Grime-Levy) deserves attention

IMHO

[Carana]

Clear evidence, from the dog video and from the files, in two cases

- around the parents' bedroom wardrobe area
- clothing

No evidence from either the dog video or the police files (at least as far as I have seen or read) that Keela the blood dog was sent into the following areas where Eddie the cadaver dog alerted

- verandah outside the parents' bedroom
- flowerbed area outside the flat
- the soft toy

And a single alert is likely to be in error 10-20% of the time.

So when Eddie alerted at the McCann's wardrobe  ( where Keela did not )  we can say it was not blood,  but cadaver scent he was alerting to

...  and we can say there is an  80%/90%  chance that his alert was accurate

Is that correct  ?

But what to? He alerts to the scent of decomposing human substances... and a dead person is only one of the possibiities.

[Redblossom]

Clear evidence, from the dog video and from the files, in two cases

- around the parents' bedroom wardrobe area
- clothing

No evidence from either the dog video or the police files (at least as far as I have seen or read) that Keela the blood dog was sent into the following areas where Eddie the cadaver dog alerted

- verandah outside the parents' bedroom
- flowerbed area outside the flat
- the soft toy

And a single alert is likely to be in error 10-20% of the time.

So when Eddie alerted at the McCann's wardrobe  ( where Keela did not )  we can say it was not blood,  but cadaver scent he was alerting to

...  and we can say there is an  80%/90%  chance that his alert was accurate

Is that correct  ?

But what to? He alerts to the scent of decomposing human substances... and a dead person is only one of the possibiities.

Since we only have Mr Grime's cv and reports to go on in this case and concerning this dog, where in any of that does he say that Eddie alerts to decomposing substances from people who are alive, apart from blood?

[AnneGuedes]

Clear evidence, from the dog video and from the files, in two cases

- around the parents' bedroom wardrobe area
- clothing

No evidence from either the dog video or the police files (at least as far as I have seen or read) that Keela the blood dog was sent into the following areas where Eddie the cadaver dog alerted

- verandah outside the parents' bedroom
- flowerbed area outside the flat
- the soft toy

And a single alert is likely to be in error 10-20% of the time.

So when Eddie alerted at the McCann's wardrobe  ( where Keela did not )  we can say it was not blood,  but cadaver scent he was alerting to

...  and we can say there is an  80%/90%  chance that his alert was accurate

Is that correct  ?

But what to? He alerts to the scent of decomposing human substances... and a dead person is only one of the possibiities.

Carana, there was no residue in the wardrobe corner : no blood, no semen, no human substance.
Read the scientific article I referred above. Experiences show how this is possible.

[debunker]

Clear evidence, from the dog video and from the files, in two cases

- around the parents' bedroom wardrobe area
- clothing

No evidence from either the dog video or the police files (at least as far as I have seen or read) that Keela the blood dog was sent into the following areas where Eddie the cadaver dog alerted

- verandah outside the parents' bedroom
- flowerbed area outside the flat
- the soft toy

And a single alert is likely to be in error 10-20% of the time.

So when Eddie alerted at the McCann's wardrobe  ( where Keela did not )  we can say it was not blood,  but cadaver scent he was alerting to

...  and we can say there is an  80%/90%  chance that his alert was accurate

Is that correct  ?

But what to? He alerts to the scent of decomposing human substances... and a dead person is only one of the possibiities.

And like all scent dogs, he sometimes just alerts incorrectly or his alert is misinterpreted.

[debunker]

Clear evidence, from the dog video and from the files, in two cases

- around the parents' bedroom wardrobe area
- clothing

No evidence from either the dog video or the police files (at least as far as I have seen or read) that Keela the blood dog was sent into the following areas where Eddie the cadaver dog alerted

- verandah outside the parents' bedroom
- flowerbed area outside the flat
- the soft toy

And a single alert is likely to be in error 10-20% of the time.

So when Eddie alerted at the McCann's wardrobe  ( where Keela did not )  we can say it was not blood,  but cadaver scent he was alerting to

...  and we can say there is an  80%/90%  chance that his alert was accurate

Is that correct  ?

But what to? He alerts to the scent of decomposing human substances... and a dead person is only one of the possibiities.

Since we only have Mr Grime's cv and reports to go on in this case and concerning this dog, where in any of that does he say that Eddie alerts to decomposing substances from people who are alive, apart from blood?

It is logically correct. Do a thought experiment- an amputated piece of a body will decompose in similar ways whether the person is alive or dead.

Menstrual flow includes blood.

Seminal fluid is created from blood.

Suppurating wounds create cadaverine and putrescine.

And so on. All in the literature.

[debunker]

Carana, there was no residue in the wardrobe corner : no blood, no semen, no human substance.
Read the scientific article I referred above. Experiences show how this is possible.

And there are simple errors of alert and interpretation as with all scent dogs.

Even if there were traces of semen or blood etc below the forensic threshold, Eddie would react to it correctly 80-90% of the time- the same approximate error rate as Keela.

[Carana]

Since we only have Mr Grime's cv and reports to go on in this case and concerning this dog, where in any of that does he say that Eddie alerts to decomposing substances from people who are alive, apart from blood?

Well, I suppose the sex clean-up tissues he alerted to in Jersey could be a case of necrophilia...

[AnneGuedes]

Ferryman, I don't understand your mocking operations that were leaded by Mark Harrison. Portugueses were just executing orders ! When you read their reports, you can't but acknowledge the respect they have for the author of the golden hour concept..