Dog alerts indicating Cadaver Odor

[debunker]

'7/ The dogs in this case were deployed in doubtful ways with poor controls- cuing in the car park, weird methods with the clothes. In many instances they were just designed to find blood rather than cadaver odor. Only three of many pairs of results indicated possible cadaver presence.'

'doubtful ways with poor controls'

What exactly are your qualifications in this field of work ?

Again the results were inconclusive.

Meanwhile evidence of abduction, NONE, other than jumbled rhetoric such as 'sadie's theory.

Obvious cuing errors in the full length film of the car park test.

No avoidance of cross contamination in the clothing test.

Undue pressure re cuddle cat.

[debunker]

Could you describe what Mark Harrison should have required but didn't, for obscure reasons ?
The fact no forensic evidence was found doesn't mean death didn't occur in that flat.
If you don't agree, please let me know.
Now the fact the cadaver dog alerted 3 times to volatile molecules that couldn't be forensically analysed is no evidence for sure but can be reasonably considered as a presumption of a death event. Associated with physical disappearance, the presumption gains a certain weight, but it's still no evidence. Saying so is reckoning the dog's reaction has a rational explanation, yet still ignored in the state of scientific researches on dog's olfaction.
I'd like to know if you agree with this, Debunker.
Apart from the fact I find it not productive your criticizing the way Mark Harrison led the dogs operation, I don't agree with you on the issue of what you call "physical harm", as  if body and mental were autonomous. I understand Madeleine's parents keep assuming there's no evidence she was harmed, because this thought is unbearable, but you ?

It is incorrect to say as you do:

"Now the fact the cadaver dog alerted 3 times to volatile molecules that couldn't be forensically analysed is no evidence for sure but can be reasonably considered as a presumption of a death event. "

WHich assumes an answer and is an incorrect inference. All one can say is that the dog alerted.  Unless cadaverous material is found by further forensic analysis, the dog alerts mean nothing at all- they could just be errors.

The rest of the post is merely your opinion.

[AnneGuedes]

In the full length garage film, the Scenic was in which checking position ?

[debunker]

In the full length garage film, the Scenic was in which checking position ?

Why does that matter. What maters is that Mr Grime knew which was the McCann's vehicle, called Eddie back nine times (compared with once OK r twice for other vehicles) and pressured Eddie to react, spending five times longer at that car before a reaction than with any other car.

Andthen all it showed was that there was blood in the vehicle- Gerry's blood was recovered from the key fob in the vehicle.

[AnneGuedes]

I wrote it badly :
"Now the fact the cadaver dog alerted 3 times to volatile molecules that couldn't be forensically analysed is SURELY no evidence for sure but can be reasonably considered as a presumption of a death event."
May be one day those volatile molecules will be identified by the device on which US investigators are working : a "dog nose" without affects and then possible bias.

[debunker]

I wrote it badly :
"Now the fact the cadaver dog alerted 3 times to volatile molecules that couldn't be forensically analysed is SURELY no evidence for sure but can be reasonably considered as a presumption of a death event."
May be one day those volatile molecules will be identified by the device on which US investigators are working : a "dog nose" without affects and then possible bias.

The dog reacted to somethig. It might have beenvolatile molecules or it might have been a simple error. We shall never know as the samples are no longer available.

[AnneGuedes]

In the full length garage film, the Scenic was in which checking position ?

Why does that matter. What maters is that Mr Grime knew which was the McCann's vehicle, called Eddie back nine times (compared with once OK r twice for other vehicles) and pressured Eddie to react, spending five times longer at that car before a reaction than with any other car.

Andthen all it showed was that there was blood in the vehicle- Gerry's blood was recovered from the key fob in the vehicle.

Which seems to imply Harrison, Grime and the PJ were dishonest (and fools as well since they filmed it). Are you a member of the police's police ?

[AnneGuedes]

I wrote it badly :
"Now the fact the cadaver dog alerted 3 times to volatile molecules that couldn't be forensically analysed is SURELY no evidence for sure but can be reasonably considered as a presumption of a death event."
May be one day those volatile molecules will be identified by the device on which US investigators are working : a "dog nose" without affects and then possible bias.

The dog reacted to somethig. It might have beenvolatile molecules or it might have been a simple error. We shall never know as the samples are no longer available.

A "simple" error ?
Have you already smelt death scent ? If yes, can you mentally reproduce this scent and feel as if you were smelling it ? I can't, but when smelt in reality I don't need to see the corpse to know what the scent is.

[debunker]

In the full length garage film, the Scenic was in which checking position ?

Why does that matter. What maters is that Mr Grime knew which was the McCann's vehicle, called Eddie back nine times (compared with once OK r twice for other vehicles) and pressured Eddie to react, spending five times longer at that car before a reaction than with any other car.

Andthen all it showed was that there was blood in the vehicle- Gerry's blood was recovered from the key fob in the vehicle.

Which seems to imply Harrison, Grime and the PJ were dishonest (and fools as well since they filmed it). Are you a member of the police's police ?

You really must work on your English usage. I have not implied any dishonesty nor foolishness, mere normal human failings.

I have respect for truth and the way it is determined.

[Carana]

When, in a hot summer night, you open your window and feel so good that you don't feel like going to bed, slowly but surely around 4 am a flavour invades your sitting room, a flavour of bread just being baked, how would you back this if you didn't know there's a baker a hundred meters away ?

Delicately phrased, Anne.


But how was Eddie supposed to explain whether what he detected was the smell of a wholemeal loaf of bread, a croissant or a scone?

[AnneGuedes]

In the full length garage film, the Scenic was in which checking position ?

Why does that matter. What maters is that Mr Grime knew which was the McCann's vehicle, called Eddie back nine times (compared with once OK r twice for other vehicles) and pressured Eddie to react, spending five times longer at that car before a reaction than with any other car.

Andthen all it showed was that there was blood in the vehicle- Gerry's blood was recovered from the key fob in the vehicle.

Which seems to imply Harrison, Grime and the PJ were dishonest (and fools as well since they filmed it). Are you a member of the police's police ?

You really must work on your English usage. I have not implied any dishonesty nor foolishness, mere normal human failings.

I have respect for truth and the way it is determined.

After denigrating the modus operandi of these professionals, you expect "normal human failings" from two experts, joined in a delicate task (neither you nor me can judge because we're not professionals) and checking each other in order to get acceptable results ?
Do you trust someone except you ?

[AnneGuedes]

You really must work on your English usage.
Debunker, you know as any one what it means when the argumento ad hominem pops up !

[debunker]

In the full length garage film, the Scenic was in which checking position ?

Why does that matter. What maters is that Mr Grime knew which was the McCann's vehicle, called Eddie back nine times (compared with once OK r twice for other vehicles) and pressured Eddie to react, spending five times longer at that car before a reaction than with any other car.



Andthen all it showed was that there was blood in the vehicle- Gerry's blood was recovered from the key fob in the vehicle.

Which seems to imply Harrison, Grime and the PJ were dishonest (and fools as well since they filmed it). Are you a member of the police's police ?

You really must work on your English usage. I have not implied any dishonesty nor foolishness, mere normal human failings.

I have respect for truth and the way it is determined.

After denigrating the modus operandi of these professionals, you expect "normal human failings" from two experts, joined in a delicate task (neither you nor me can judge because we're not professionals) and checking each other in order to get acceptable results ?
Do you trust someone except you ?

I trust science. Science explains how dogs and handlers are less than perfect. Mr Grime agrees- he carefully never claims that alerts are indicative of anything other than possibility- as he says, without further forensic evidence, alerts are without probative weight. That is Grime saying that, not me.

[debunker]

You really must work on your English usage.
Debunker, you know as any one what it means when the argumento ad hominem pops up !

That is not ad hominem.

You misused an English word and distorted what I was saying. You pretended that I had accused people of dishonesty and you were wrong. I pointed out the error of your inference and argument.

[AnneGuedes]

When "normal human failure" of a professional is observed by another professional who nevertheless doesn't react, is it also "normal human failure" ?