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debunker

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Re: Dog alerts indicating Cadaver Odor
« Reply #225 on: April 23, 2013, 08:39:02 PM »

Who is libelling here? Discussing the dogs repertoire apart from ferryman who posts mr grime has lied in his cv? Has cued the dogs, has skewed things to further his career?
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Informed  opinions are not libel unless  they accuse, or state something which is untrue and defamatory, last time I looked they were LEGAL and part of a democratic society

Ps Kate Mccann libelled Mr Grime in her book too
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Cite?

I must have missed the court case.
« Last Edit: April 24, 2013, 03:14:56 AM by John »

AnneGuedes

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Re: Dog alerts indicating Cadaver Odor
« Reply #226 on: April 23, 2013, 08:40:43 PM »

We know that a Northern European man bled in that appartment.  Are you saying that no one else bled in any of the other appartments?
We don't know whether the scent picked up by Eddie as soon as the door of the G5A was open originated from the blood found later by Keela.

Redblossom

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Re: Dog alerts indicating Cadaver Odor
« Reply #227 on: April 23, 2013, 08:46:27 PM »

We know that a Northern European man bled in that appartment.  Are you saying that no one else bled in any of the other appartments?
We don't know whether the scent picked up by Eddie as soon as the door of the G5A was open originated from the blood found later by Keela.

Quite and who is this northern european man! Is he in the lowe report? Or just in the sun?

Redblossom

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Re: Dog alerts indicating Cadaver Odor
« Reply #228 on: April 23, 2013, 08:47:32 PM »

Cite?

I must have missed the court case.

Have you not read the book? Its all in there, she rubbished the dogs like there ws no tomorrow and by inference in the way she did  Mr Grime
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debunker

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Re: Dog alerts indicating Cadaver Odor
« Reply #229 on: April 23, 2013, 08:49:47 PM »

Have you not read the book? Its all in there, she rubbished the dogs like there ws no tomorrow

Quotes please for those bits that are libellous.

Or is this another of your little opinions (unsuported.)
« Last Edit: April 24, 2013, 03:16:10 AM by John »

Redblossom

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Re: Dog alerts indicating Cadaver Odor
« Reply #230 on: April 23, 2013, 08:51:40 PM »

Quotes please for those bits that are libellous.

Or is this another of your little opinions (unsuported.)

if you stop being personal and sarcastic, I may, Just, consider, quoting and doing your donkey work too
« Last Edit: April 24, 2013, 03:16:45 AM by John »

AnneGuedes

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Re: Dog alerts indicating Cadaver Odor
« Reply #231 on: April 23, 2013, 08:54:51 PM »

I said that an alert from Eddie alone can never INDICATE cadaver cadaver odor.

You misinterpreted this as me saying that Eddie alerts alone this can never BE cadaver odor.

An alert from Eddie shows is that it could be dried blood or cadaver odor (or an error). As blood is many thousands of times more likely to be found, a sigle alert cannot INDICATE cadaver odor as it is far more likely to be a cut finger or shaving nick. If Keela fails to react, this tends to indicate cadaver odor (or an error) but not blood.
I misinterpreted too, just like Redblossom. I'm rather relieved not to be alone since you questioned my skills in English.

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Re: Dog alerts indicating Cadaver Odor
« Reply #232 on: April 23, 2013, 09:05:36 PM »

I said that an alert from Eddie alone can never INDICATE cadaver cadaver odor.

You misinterpreted this as me saying that Eddie alerts alone this can never BE cadaver odor.

An alert from Eddie shows is that it could be dried blood or cadaver odor (or an error). As blood is many thousands of times more likely to be found, a sigle alert cannot INDICATE cadaver odor as it is far more likely to be a cut finger or shaving nick. If Keela fails to react, this tends to indicate cadaver odor (or an error) but not blood.
I misinterpreted too, just like Redblossom. I'm rather relieved not to be alone since you questioned my skills in English.

Neither of us misunderstood really. DB is definitely to trying to play up the idea that Eddie alerts to blood more than cadaver odour from a dead body remnant scent. That much is obvious.  Eddie when tested with cadaver odour alone and not blood, alerted to it, therefore his alone alert does prove its cadaver odour. The way this is being posited is that Keela has to prove eddies alerts are not to cadaver odour, if she alerts in the same place, doubt is put there what the alert was to, when its a fact keela is brought in to find forensics, in the absence of a body, via blood, not play a game of dice if Eddie alerted to cadaver or blood from a living person. If Eddies job was to react to both cadaver and blood, Keelas job would be redundant!


So the question DB is now, why have a blood dog working in tandem with a cadaver dog that alerts to blood?
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« Last Edit: April 23, 2013, 09:09:50 PM by Redblossom »

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Re: Dog alerts indicating Cadaver Odor
« Reply #233 on: April 23, 2013, 09:09:58 PM »

Neither of us misunderstood really. DB is definitely to trying to play up the idea that Eddie alerts to blood more than cadaver odour from a dead body remnant scent. That much is obvious.  Eddie when tested with cadaver odour alone and not blood, alerted to it, therefore his alone alert does prove its cadaver odour. the way this is being posited is that keela has to prove eddies alerts are not to cadaver odour, when its a fact keela is brought in to find forensics, in the absence of a body, not play a game of dice if eddie alerted to cadaver or blood from a living person. if Eddies job ws to react to both cadaver and blood, Keelas job would be redundant!

Thanks Redblossom.

So who died half way up the wall, in the garage the cars were being checked in?
5 times Eddie ran away from Grime woofing at the wall.
« Last Edit: April 24, 2013, 03:18:37 AM by John »
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debunker

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Re: Dog alerts indicating Cadaver Odor
« Reply #234 on: April 23, 2013, 09:12:48 PM »

I said that an alert from Eddie alone can never INDICATE cadaver cadaver odor.

You misinterpreted this as me saying that Eddie alerts alone this can never BE cadaver odor.

An alert from Eddie shows is that it could be dried blood or cadaver odor (or an error). As blood is many thousands of times more likely to be found, a sigle alert cannot INDICATE cadaver odor as it is far more likely to be a cut finger or shaving nick. If Keela fails to react, this tends to indicate cadaver odor (or an error) but not blood.
I misinterpreted too, just like Redblossom. I'm rather relieved not to be alone since you questioned my skills in English.

Neither of us misunderstood really. DB is definitely to trying to play up the idea that Eddie alerts to blood more than cadaver odour from a dead body remnant scent. That much is obvious.  Eddie when tested with cadaver odour alone and not blood, alerted to it, therefore his alone alert does prove its cadaver odour. The way this is being posited is that Keela has to prove eddies alerts are not to cadaver odour, if she alerts in the same place, doubt is put there what the alert was to, when its a fact keela is brought in to find forensics, in the absence of a body, via blood, not play a game of dice if Eddie alerted to cadaver or blood from a living person. If Eddies job was to react to both cadaver and blood, Keelas job would be redundant!

That is your unsupported and erroneous opinion.

Will you take Mr Grime's word for Eddie alerting to blood OR cadaver?

Redblossom

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Re: Dog alerts indicating Cadaver Odor
« Reply #235 on: April 23, 2013, 09:13:47 PM »

I said that an alert from Eddie alone can never INDICATE cadaver cadaver odor.

You misinterpreted this as me saying that Eddie alerts alone this can never BE cadaver odor.

An alert from Eddie shows is that it could be dried blood or cadaver odor (or an error). As blood is many thousands of times more likely to be found, a sigle alert cannot INDICATE cadaver odor as it is far more likely to be a cut finger or shaving nick. If Keela fails to react, this tends to indicate cadaver odor (or an error) but not blood.
I misinterpreted too, just like Redblossom. I'm rather relieved not to be alone since you questioned my skills in English.

Neither of us misunderstood really. DB is definitely to trying to play up the idea that Eddie alerts to blood more than cadaver odour from a dead body remnant scent. That much is obvious.  Eddie when tested with cadaver odour alone and not blood, alerted to it, therefore his alone alert does prove its cadaver odour. the way this is being posited is that keela has to prove eddies alerts are not to cadaver odour, when its a fact keela is brought in to find forensics, in the absence of a body, not play a game of dice if eddie alerted to cadaver or blood from a living person. if Eddies job ws to react to both cadaver and blood, Keelas job would be redundant!

Thanks Redblossom.

So who died half way up the wall, in the garage the cars were being checked in?
5 times Eddie ran away from Grime woofing at the wall.

The dog scents but does not know where it is coming from so it will run around until guided, I dont recall the dog running up a wall five times on the dog video, I must rewatch it

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Re: Dog alerts indicating Cadaver Odor
« Reply #236 on: April 23, 2013, 09:15:41 PM »

I said that an alert from Eddie alone can never INDICATE cadaver cadaver odor.

You misinterpreted this as me saying that Eddie alerts alone this can never BE cadaver odor.

An alert from Eddie shows is that it could be dried blood or cadaver odor (or an error). As blood is many thousands of times more likely to be found, a sigle alert cannot INDICATE cadaver odor as it is far more likely to be a cut finger or shaving nick. If Keela fails to react, this tends to indicate cadaver odor (or an error) but not blood.
I misinterpreted too, just like Redblossom. I'm rather relieved not to be alone since you questioned my skills in English.

Neither of us misunderstood really. DB is definitely to trying to play up the idea that Eddie alerts to blood more than cadaver odour from a dead body remnant scent. That much is obvious.  Eddie when tested with cadaver odour alone and not blood, alerted to it, therefore his alone alert does prove its cadaver odour. the way this is being posited is that keela has to prove eddies alerts are not to cadaver odour, when its a fact keela is brought in to find forensics, in the absence of a body, not play a game of dice if eddie alerted to cadaver or blood from a living person. if Eddies job ws to react to both cadaver and blood, Keelas job would be redundant!

Thanks Redblossom.

So who died half way up the wall, in the garage the cars were being checked in?
5 times Eddie ran away from Grime woofing at the wall.

The dog scents but does not know where it is coming from so it will run around until guided, I dont recall the dog running up a wall five times on the dog video, I must rewatch it

You should, he does.

Redblossom

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Re: Dog alerts indicating Cadaver Odor
« Reply #237 on: April 23, 2013, 09:18:36 PM »

You should, he does.

Even if so its for a professional dog handler to do and not a layman to criticise because he dont like the results

« Last Edit: April 24, 2013, 03:21:11 AM by John »

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Re: Dog alerts indicating Cadaver Odor
« Reply #238 on: April 23, 2013, 09:21:21 PM »


"Eddie' The Enhanced Victim Recovery Dog (E.V.RD.) will search for and locate human remains and body fluids including blood to very small samples in any environment or terrain."
« Last Edit: April 24, 2013, 03:22:18 AM by John »

Redblossom

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Re: Dog alerts indicating Cadaver Odor
« Reply #239 on: April 23, 2013, 09:30:50 PM »

"Eddie' The Enhanced Victim Recovery Dog (E.V.RD.) will search for and locate human remains and body fluids including blood to very small samples in any environment or terrain."

We all agreed pages and pages ago that Eddie can alert to blood, the convo has moved on eons after that, but you are ignoring it or dont understand it, thats ok though
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you can obfuscate move  goalposts and backtrack and ignore if you want but my time with YOU is over so on ignore, fill yer boots though, you will probably always have an epic fail in this area, why? Because you are wrong and biased and have an agenda, bad mix at the very best, people are not STUPID you know, and you are not the cleverest dick around

PLUS no one has proved eddie did not react to a dead body on 5a or offered any logical reason why the dog akertes there and no where else
« Last Edit: April 24, 2013, 03:23:18 AM by John »