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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Empathy
« Reply #60 on: February 18, 2021, 06:35:20 PM »
I’d be happier if the empathy was spread a little more evenly.
Tell us about your empathy for the McCanns.
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline jassi

Re: Empathy
« Reply #61 on: February 18, 2021, 06:35:25 PM »
I’d be happier if the empathy was spread a little more evenly.

But surely it must be applied selectively otherwise being full on empathetic with everyone  over everything would be exhausting.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

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Offline faithlilly

Re: Empathy
« Reply #62 on: February 18, 2021, 06:43:53 PM »
But surely it must be applied selectively otherwise being full on empathetic with everyone  over everything would be exhausting.

Being a pinko I think all empathetic thoughts towards an individual should cease when they earn more than £50000 ;0)
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Brietta

Re: Empathy
« Reply #63 on: February 18, 2021, 06:47:15 PM »
It's to be hoped that those seeking revenge have read the other person's intentions correctly. If they get it wrong it's not revenge it's undeserved aggression.

Revenge is defined as the act of committing a harmful action against a person or group in response to a grievance, be it real or perceived
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revenge#Social_psychology

In my opinion your post exemplifies "empathy" as many have implemented it's application to the family of a missing child.

I wonder why, in relation to your post defining the commission of harmful action in response to the many grievances and slights Amaral quotes himself as having suffered, what he was avenging himself against when traducing innocent people.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Empathy
« Reply #64 on: February 18, 2021, 06:47:32 PM »
Being a pinko I think all empathetic thoughts towards an individual should cease when they earn more than £50000 ;0)
Actually that totally chimes with my theory that many have no empathy for the McCanns partly because they are well off and middle class and instead enjoy the fact thst they messed up big time.  Schadenfreude.  Serves them right for getting ideas above their station, not knowing their place etc
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Empathy
« Reply #65 on: February 18, 2021, 06:51:04 PM »
The reason for feeling empathy for one has been stated clearly in the opening post.  The reason for empathising with the other has not been stated.
I have asked the thread originator the question, perhaps you will be kind enough to await her reply as I shall.

I wrote "feeling all three types of empathy for the McCanns is fairly easy if you accept the facts as they describe them." I didn't give a specific reason for empathising with Amaral, but I think it's obvious he must have suffered for making it clear that he did not accept the facts as descibed by the McCanns.

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Offline Brietta

Re: Empathy
« Reply #66 on: February 18, 2021, 06:59:20 PM »
You seem to be saying empathy has to be earned?

No I didn't say that.

I asked you "Why do you think Goncalo Amaral merits empathy in the situation you have described?" in your opening post. Or to put it in a different way ~
Why do you think Goncalo Amaral merits empathy for writing a book describing a theory he was never able to prove in practice the foundation for which was proved wrong by the Policia Judiciaria and Portuguese prosecutors.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Brietta

Re: Empathy
« Reply #67 on: February 18, 2021, 07:03:53 PM »
I wrote "feeling all three types of empathy for the McCanns is fairly easy if you accept the facts as they describe them." I didn't give a specific reason for empathising with Amaral, but I think it's obvious he must have suffered for making it clear that he did not accept the facts as descibed by the McCanns.

Yes I noted that libel just as I note the rest of the libel in your post.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline G-Unit

Re: Empathy
« Reply #68 on: February 18, 2021, 07:14:04 PM »
I think you make a good point Kizzy...should any of our characters be judged on this single issue?

That's the point I was hoping to make, really.
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Empathy
« Reply #69 on: February 18, 2021, 07:28:27 PM »
The thing that gets me about the case (right from day one before anyone considered the parents faked an abduction) is the absolute hate and vilification these people received online.   It’s what sucked me into the case in the early days - I was just aghast about how horribly judgemental people were being and how completely lacking in any empathy for the parents whatsoever.  I honestly couldn’t believe what I was reading.  What does that say about the sort of person I am?

You also judged. You judged the McCanns to be truthful and believable, did you not? Otherwise why be aghast at other's lack of empathy?
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Empathy
« Reply #70 on: February 18, 2021, 07:37:40 PM »
No I didn't say that.

I asked you "Why do you think Goncalo Amaral merits empathy in the situation you have described?" in your opening post. Or to put it in a different way ~
Why do you think Goncalo Amaral merits empathy for writing a book describing a theory he was never able to prove in practice the foundation for which was proved wrong by the Policia Judiciaria and Portuguese prosecutors.

I thought empathy involved understanding another's feelings even if one doesn't share them? So empathising with Amaral's feelings is possible no matter why he has them or whether one shares them.
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Offline faithlilly

Re: Empathy
« Reply #71 on: February 18, 2021, 07:46:01 PM »
You also judged. You judged the McCanns to be truthful and believable, did you not? Otherwise why be aghast at other's lack of empathy?

In the beginning I think many of the public were unable to empathise with the parents because they could never see themselves putting their children in such a dangerous situation...it really wasn’t about their truthfulness.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline G-Unit

Re: Empathy
« Reply #72 on: February 18, 2021, 07:49:48 PM »
Yes I noted that libel just as I note the rest of the libel in your post.

You think that it's libellous to say " if you accept the facts as they describe them." in relation to the McCanns? Have you failed to notice that there are many people online who do not accept the facts as they describe them? Why is it libellous to point that out?
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Re: Empathy
« Reply #73 on: February 18, 2021, 07:53:47 PM »
Being a pinko I think all empathetic thoughts towards an individual should cease when they earn more than £50000 ;0)

You think money protects people from suffering then? It can't buy love, remember.
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Re: Empathy
« Reply #74 on: February 18, 2021, 08:02:43 PM »
In the beginning I think many of the public were unable to empathise with the parents because they could never see themselves putting their children in such a dangerous situation...it really wasn’t about their truthfulness.

Yes, the first step is to understand. Difficult to do if you've no similar experience of your own to call on.
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