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Offline Parky41

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #1095 on: November 16, 2022, 03:31:18 PM »
It's interesting how one simply keeps on turning things on to others. The silent protest today saw around 30 people, maybe slightly more turn out for what is described as making history (By Ms Lean). Of course, it is making history, any engine searches into the future will mention the handing over of a petition. However, it is the MSP's who are being blasted, they knew right up until yesterday the petition was going to be getting taken into the Scottish Parliament, they are at fault for not all being there to greet them, not the claimed supporters of innocence who did NOT turn up to support the event themselves! They (The group members) have been getting polls carried out for days trying to determine who would be there.

It is all very sad at points, the people who actually have joined into taken this innocence claim seriously are not aware of the deception at play to gain their support. There is NO pride to be had Ms Lean, nor of course Mr Forbes in gaining support by deception. It is the furthest thing that 'pride' can be applied to

25K signatures is indeed and accomplishment not to be sniffed at, but not to lose sight that it is a worldwide petition, social media rampant last year with tag a friend to get it signed. Ms Leans attempts recently to get even those who believed in guilt to knock it up to the 25K mark.  But and again, the bias and deception, with most signing simply taken up a few seconds of their life and thinking no more of it, fail to realise the deception at play.

We were discussing the reality around this recently, again that failure, that IF Mitchell had walked free from court, there would NOT have been any investigation into finding an alternate killer, it would simply have meant there would have been insufficient evidence in strength to convict in law the factual killer. Far too black and white with no middle ground, this professing him innocent and searching for their imaginary real killer! As I have pointed out many times, the type of evidence presented in Mitchell's case cannot be scrubbed out. One can produce as many imaginary others as one pleases, it does not cancel out the evidence against Mitchell.

I mentioned recently to Mr Forbes, who I see by the latest report in the media has increased his 6yr lie to 12yrs now of being Mitchell's lawyer, that his continuous evasion of the evidence will not make it disappear, that without any doubt he appears to actually know very little himself - Specifically chosen it would seem to be the full-on voice of Mitchell in this full-blown smear campaign. Where piece by piece he is in fact exposing this farce yet simply too dim to see this it would seem. I feel Ms Lean is going to soon run out of "He is simply mistaken -------------"

Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #1096 on: November 16, 2022, 04:16:57 PM »
It's interesting how one simply keeps on turning things on to others. The silent protest today saw around 30 people, maybe slightly more turn out for what is described as making history (By Ms Lean).

That’ll be her malignant narcissism - what she possibly sees as her legacy
Who wants to take on this great massive lie?” Writer Martin Preib on the tsunami of innocence fraud sweeping our nation

Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #1097 on: November 16, 2022, 04:21:23 PM »
However, it is the MSP's who are being blasted, they knew right up until yesterday the petition was going to be getting taken into the Scottish Parliament, they are at fault for not all being there to greet them, not the claimed supporters of innocence who did NOT turn up to support the event themselves!

Russell Findlay who appears to have been duped by the killer of Margaret McLaughlin (and another dodgy ‘criminologist’ - David Wilson) turned up - the only MSP to do so apparently



Who wants to take on this great massive lie?” Writer Martin Preib on the tsunami of innocence fraud sweeping our nation

Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #1098 on: November 16, 2022, 04:23:47 PM »
It is all very sad at points, the people who actually have joined into taken this innocence claim seriously are not aware of the deception at play to gain their support.

Yet
Who wants to take on this great massive lie?” Writer Martin Preib on the tsunami of innocence fraud sweeping our nation

Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #1099 on: November 16, 2022, 04:30:38 PM »
We were discussing the reality around this recently, again that failure, that IF Mitchell had walked free from court, there would NOT have been any investigation into finding an alternate killer, it would simply have meant there would have been insufficient evidence in strength to convict in law the factual killer. Far too black and white with no middle ground, this professing him innocent and searching for their imaginary real killer!

David Wilson - another grifter involved with the ‘innocence’ movement (‘friendly’ with Jerry Buting) has previously attempted to do this with a couple of cases, maybe more

David Wilson was involved in a TV show where he attempted to suggest another convicted killer was responsible for the murder of Carl Bridgewater

Carl Bridgewater’s killers had their conviction deemed ‘unsafe’ by the court of appeal

None of the 4 men ever cleared their names - regardless of what MSM reported

But the ‘innocence’ movement pretended otherwise, as did David Wilson

David Wilson has also written a book about Margaret McLaughlin‘s killer and apparently, according to Libby Brooks, the book claims David Wilson has ‘identified a more likely suspect in the killing’

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Russell Findlay possibly duped by David Wilson’s word play ?

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/jun/10/scottish-tory-msp-george-beattie-case-scotland
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Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #1100 on: November 16, 2022, 04:40:00 PM »
I mentioned recently to Mr Forbes, who I see by the latest report in the media has increased his 6yr lie to 12yrs now of being Mitchell's lawyer,

They all do this - it’s another fraudulent tactic

Many people fall for the ‘appeals to credentials fallacy’ also

Similar to journalists who are given ‘awards’ for some of the work they have done in investigating alleged ‘miscarriages of justice’ as opposed the very real innocence fraud phenomenon

Eamon O’Neill springs to mind

Both the Paul Blackburn and Stephen Downing cases feature in Dr Michael Naughton’s (with Gabe Tan) book ‘Claims of Innocence’ http://www.innocencenetwork.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/Claims-of-Innocence.pdf

as does the case of Robert Brown https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/spent-25-years-jail-after-16355857

Investigative journalist Eamon O'Neill campaigned for Robert Brown and was a contributor to Michael Naughton’s book

Eamon O’Neill made the false statement that the court of appeal judges found killer Robert ‘innocent’ - they didn’t!

Nick Wallis is another dodgy AF writer/investigative journalist who also doesn’t appear to actually investigate
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Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #1101 on: November 16, 2022, 04:52:37 PM »
Specifically chosen it would seem to be the full-on voice of Mitchell in this full-blown smear campaign. Where piece by piece he is in fact exposing this farce yet simply too dim to see this it would seem

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Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #1102 on: November 16, 2022, 04:58:09 PM »
David Wilson - another grifter involved with the ‘innocence’ movement (‘friendly’ with Jerry Buting) has previously attempted to do this with a couple of cases, maybe more

David Wilson was involved in a TV show where he attempted to suggest another convicted killer was responsible for the murder of Carl Bridgewater

Carl Bridgewater’s killers had their conviction deemed ‘unsafe’ by the court of appeal

None of the 4 men ever cleared their names - regardless of what MSM reported

But the ‘innocence’ movement pretended otherwise, as did David Wilson

David Wilson has also written a book about Margaret McLaughlin‘s killer and apparently, according to Libby Brooks, the book claims David Wilson has ‘identified a more likely suspect in the killing’

 *&^^&

Russell Findlay possibly duped by David Wilson’s word play ?

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/jun/10/scottish-tory-msp-george-beattie-case-scotland

Debbie Samantha - 8th March 2021
I wonder why professor David Wilson hasn’t got involved with this case... He’s a good criminologist 🤔

Chris Teasdale
I have emailed prof Wilson to ask his view - his reply was he hasn't studied the case but did watch the docu.  He referred me to the  Daily record article

Debbie Samantha
Chris Teasdale confusing response... is he implying he thinks Luke is guilty by referring to the daily record articles or trying to not give an opinion? 🤷‍♀️🤔

Dave Dave
I’m pretty taken aback by Prof David Wilson on Twitter.  He’s been sharing posts by the Daily Record that say Luke is guilty.  Anyone know what planet he’s on? Yeah, we have mixed opinions in life, but someone of his reputation and standing.  He will be lucky to have followers after that.  Sharing tabloids.  WTF

Heather Langley - 12th October 2022
Hi folks. Apologies for the long read but here’s a wee update on my time at Professor David Wilson’s talk this evening. I did manage to ask my question and my question was this: “I’d like to ask about your thoughts on Luke Mitchell’s conviction in 2005 for murdering Jodi Jones. I always presumed he was guilty but having dug a bit further in to the facts of the case recently, I have grave concerns now about his conviction. I’m really intrigued to know what your thoughts are on his conviction and if you could explain why you’ve reached that conclusion?”

His answer was basically that although he knew there were two completely polar opposite camps, (the camp who thought he was totally innocent and the camp including the Daily Record journo who were unequivocal about his guilt), he said he simply didn’t know enough about the facts of the case to comment on the conviction. Although he knew of the case, he apologised that he couldn’t answer my question but he just didn’t know enough about it. He did say he watched the documentary a few weeks back (so I’m presuming that was Murder in a Small Town) but he didn’t think the two ex polis were very credible. He didn’t elaborate on why he thought that and by then the mic had been handed back to the runner to go to the next person.

Sorry troops, I know a lot of you were hoping to hear his thoughts on it (as was I) but that was it unfortunately. I think it’s worth mentioning though that he did speak quite a bit about miscarriages of justice and he is in no doubt that they do happen. He was also openly critical of Chief Superintendent William Muncie (the detective in charge of the Peter Manuel case) who, even in the face overwhelming evidence of a man’s innocence, pursued George Beattie as the murderer of Margaret McLaughlin in Carluke in 1973.

That’s about it in a nutshell but he answered about another 5 or 6 questions in the Q&A bit and I found him to be very forthcoming on those so from what I experienced tonight, I’ve no reason to doubt that he was being anything but honest; I hope that’s the case anyway!



David Wilson is aware of the very real innocence fraud phenomenon and he too was said to have allegedly written an article on it last year

Nothing transpired

Most probably because David Wilson is also up to his neck in it

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Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #1103 on: November 16, 2022, 06:26:07 PM »
Tony Conlin
Sandra Lean thanks Sandra I didn't wish to appear downbeat it's just my own huge mistrust of the SMSM look at how they portrayed TC Campbell & Joe Steel or the Birmingham 6 & the Guildford 4 all innocent of the crimes they were found guilty of committing I applaud you and everyone who takes a stand against injustice against police corruption and ineptness I think we all have our own theories as to who butchered [Name removed] why did the Police decided to trash the crime scene and discard vital evidence ? I have my own theory why, but I can't back up my suspicions. I keep asking myself over and over why was the drugs squad never involved considering the admission of being in possesion of a ' 9 bar' and the open secret of drug dealing involving [Name removed]'s family there is something just not right here at all add to that the obvious contempt of court and the perverting of the course of justice by [Name removed]'s family who were ' allowed ' to change statements or amend them my belief is they were instructed to do this because their original statements backed up what LM had told them about the events that night. I believe this was done so L M, CM, & SM  could be discredited and portrayed as dishonest. Also if LM was a ' known' drug dealer why wasn't he charged by the drugs squad ? Simply because he wasn't and this was a red herring intended to to slander the character of LM thus giving the impression to the jury he was a danger to the public. Yes for me the Police directed the SMSM down this road for reasons known only to them. Can I ask you this Sandra ' Stocky Man' who I believe to be to be JosJ was under the mental health umbrella, did this mean that they knew pursuing him would fail because they wouldnt be able to prosecute him under the Mental Health Act, is this correct or am I way off beam here ?


TC Campbell, Joe Steel the Birmingham 6 & the Guildford all failed to prove their actual, factual innocence

A look into the minutiae of each case suggests yet further examples of the very real innocence fraud phenomenon

Sandra Lean 15th November 2022
Where to begin, Tony??? I don't know why the police made such a mess of the crime scene and missed so many other lines of enquiry - while we might all have different ideas about that, an official, independent review might give us some reliable answers!

The whole drugs thing is baffling. Not so long ago, in this same area, there was a "drugs bust" involving 20+ officers for what, according to neighbours, was a very small amount of cannabis involving just one person.

It's not just the question "If Luke was a "known" dealer, why wasn't he charged by the drugs squad?" - it's actually worse than that. As well as allowing JuJ to enter Luke's home on two occasions AFTER Luke was the police's prime suspect and placing the "vixen in the henhouse" FLO in the family home from day one, JoF admitted in court that he continued to supply Luke with cannabis (not the other way round, please note) for SIX MONTHS after Jodi was murdered. He had to be doing that right under the noses of L&B's finest, since Luke's every move was being watched. How much attempted entrapment was actually going on in this case? How Luke ended up being "the dealer" when the police watched [Name removed] supply him for months is beyond me.

Our legal system demands that people be "mentally competent" to be questioned, charged, arrested and tried. Anyone considered not to be mentally competent cannot (or should not) have any of these measures taken against them. In the Billy-Jo Jenkins case, for example, what should have been a prime suspect could not be questioned because, according to his psychiatrist, he was "floridly psychotic" and therefore not in rational command of anything he was saying.

If someone is deemed not mentally competent, but has carried out a serious crime, they cannot be put on trial, because they cannot be considered to have the mens rea - the conscious intent - to commit the crime. In most such cases, there is no trial as such - the person is detained in a mental institution for as long as it takes to diagnose them as "well enough" to live in the community again.


There was nothing wrong with Billie-Jo Jenkins psychopathic killer Sion Jenkins mental health

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Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #1104 on: November 16, 2022, 07:28:52 PM »
Lyndsey Reilly Lavery
It is time he was home, however, he doesn't have one to go back too as far as I'm aware, that lads mother has been living in some kind of barn for many years with no running water or electricity, also as far as I'm lead to beleive she is in very poor health with all the stress of this and her now living conditions, all this and to think it's all because of what happened to a young beautiful girl whom as yet has had no justice and the accused innocent has spent all these years in prison instead of living his life and creating a future.
I want to know what the relevant authorities are going to do to put both Luke and his mother in a home with a good steady future ahead, how will they be compensated, what is enough?



According to Corinne Mitchell during the filming for the TV show, which occurred either in 2019/2020 - Corinne claimed she had been living in her office for around six (6) years

The TV show misled everyone who watched it regarding where Corinne Mitchell was living by the time it aired - as well as the rest of the deceit, deflection, lies & bs

Corinne Mitchell appeared to give the impression she had sold her house because of her killer sons incarceration and legal fees

But in reality if the reason Corinne Mitchell sold her house was to pay legal fees - this would have no doubt been to do with John McCafferty’s death in one of her caravans
https://www.scotsman.com/news/murderer-mitchells-mother-sued-ps-14m-over-deadly-caravan-1687143

If Corinne Mitchell had been living in her office since 2013/14 how often did Sandra Lean visit with her, if ever?

Also did Sandra Lean’s home in Mayfield have a chimney ?

And did Sandra Lean carry out work on her chimney in early 2014 or were those parts required for someone else?

Also if Corinne Mitchell didn’t have heat/electricity in her office in 2014 what did Sandra Lean say about this then?

And what caused Corinne Mitchell’s stroke back in 2009?

Corinne Mitchell stated on 14th March 2010
Yes. I have had a stroke and it prevented me attending the last day of court at Lukes last appearance.

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Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #1105 on: November 16, 2022, 07:56:07 PM »
Thank goodness RosieRubble072 is no longer a police officer - presuming she ever was
👇
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XGzKwUlZsMo
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Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #1106 on: November 16, 2022, 08:48:26 PM »
Thank goodness RosieRubble072 is no longer a police officer - presuming she ever was
👇
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XGzKwUlZsMo

RosieRubble072 commented on Roberta Glass’s video about signing the petition

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RosieRubble072 stated;

I sign this petition as a retired police officer with 30 years service and after having watched the TV Program feel that the conviction is clearly not safe.


Shocking that an alleged former police officer with 30 years service would fall for such propaganda - but they do!

Then RosieRubble072 stated,

Aside from the lack of any evidence,

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I am horrified to think that a juvenile could have even have been interviewed for such a serious offence without legal representation.

Would like to hear RosieRubble072’s thoughts on why Corinne Mitchell or Shane Mitchell didn’t accompany this ‘juvenile’ to look for Jodi Jones late at night on the 30th June 200

And what she thinks they were both up to that night
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Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #1107 on: November 16, 2022, 08:52:29 PM »
Thank goodness RosieRubble072 is no longer a police officer - presuming she ever was
👇
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XGzKwUlZsMo

Why did RosieRubble072 comment about the petition on a video about the TV show

 @)(++(*

Every case RosieRubble072 was ever involved with should be investigated
Who wants to take on this great massive lie?” Writer Martin Preib on the tsunami of innocence fraud sweeping our nation

Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #1108 on: November 16, 2022, 09:05:35 PM »
RosieRubble072 also stated

I can't belive all DNA they have for other people yet that poor lad has been locked up for all those years!! Let's put the police on trial for the lives they have ruined and find the real killer of that poor wee girl
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XGzKwUlZsMo

What DNA of others are they referring to ?

And why do they want to ‘put the police on trial’ - if they were a serving police officer for 30 years?

Does RosieRubble072 think RoseRubble072 should go on trial also ?

Is there something RoseRubble072 wants to talk about during their alleged time as a police officer?
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Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #1109 on: November 16, 2022, 10:11:56 PM »

I mentioned recently to Mr Forbes, who I see by the latest report in the media has increased his 6yr lie to 12yrs now of being Mitchell's lawyer, that his continuous evasion of the evidence will not make it disappear, that without any doubt he appears to actually know very little himself - Specifically chosen it would seem to be the full-on voice of Mitchell in this full-blown smear campaign. Where piece by piece he is in fact exposing this farce yet simply too dim to see this it would seem. I feel Ms Lean is going to soon run out of "He is simply mistaken -------------"

Scott Forbes couldn’t give away a copy of his book to Russell Findlay quick enough today 

Wondered if they ever met before via MOJO Scotland?

After dropping off this gimmick of a petition Scoot Forbes goes straight over to Russell and out from his satchel comes a copy of his abusive, warped minded writings

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Heather Langley
I loved that I managed to get a clear shot of Russell holding Scott’s book!👍👍


Shame there won’t be any photos of him if/when he starts reading it

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