The POLICE were too STUPID to fathom this out

[mrswah]

And that is the problem.

It doesn't have to be a problem.  I have read several books on the White House Farm murders, and they all take a "stance".

[mrswah]

William Wallace, do you live near Dalkeith? Are you of a similar age to Luke or Shane? I think I read a lengthy post of yours recently on here and the inference was that you thought Luke was guilty. What has made you change your mind? The lack of incriminating forensic evidence on Luke? You now think a female could be the murderer — who? Just looking to stir up some further debate. Cheers.

I asked William the same question, and he has answered it, if you look back a bit!

[William Wallace]

A reminder William Wallace that opinion should be stated as such. The use of the IMO acronym is acceptable.

Hi, yes I did write that post saying he is guilty. However, I've changed my mind as I explained to Mr.Swah. I've re-analysed everything in a lot more detail since then and concluded he definitely didn't do it. There is very little doubt in my mind that pulling hair out by the roots was something that happened during an attack by a female which escalated into a knife attack. Men don't pull hair out in fights or when trying to kill someone. The evidence from the many Sinclair and Tobin murders as well as the other high profile examples I gave of horrendous injuries to the victims but no hair pulling speaks for itself. Does it prove it was a female? No not conclusively, but it's a major red flag when you consider female DNA was found and there was no sexual assault.

[William Wallace]

Which completely ignores the failed alibi and all the other evidence. Maybe it was all simply a coincidence?

Have you ever seen a man or heard of a man who pulled someone's hair out by the roots during a fight? I haven't. If you say you have, I wouldn't believe you.

[Vertigo Swirl]

If men never pull out women’s hair in a fight  then women never butcher other women in the manner Jodi was butchered.

[Brietta]

Have you ever seen a man or heard of a man who pulled someone's hair out by the roots during a fight? I haven't. If you say you have, I wouldn't believe you.

Males are on record as pulling out hair by the roots usually during a domestic violence incident where the victim is being dragged by the hair and while other outrages causing severe injury such as stamping and kicking are taking place.

Jodi Jones suffered blunt force trauma to her head and I believe to other parts of her body; she may have been dragged by the hair.
Injuries of this type appear to be classic domestic violence wounds perpetrated by male on female and less often by female on male.

I have never witnessed a male pulling a female's hair out by the roots but the evidence is it does happen and Luke Mitchell was found guilty of doing so to Jodi Jones.

PC Emma Agyei lost some of her hair in the attack. Pic: West Midlands Police

In the clip released by the West Midlands force, the policewoman is forced to the ground by a 24-year-old man, who beats her and then rips out a large chunk of her hair.
https://news.sky.com/story/footage-released-of-man-ripping-out-policewomans-hair-in-attack-11204986
 
FEMALE OFFICER’S HAIR RIPPED OUT, COLLEAGUE’S GENITALS TWISTED – ATTACK CAPTURED ON BODYCAM: Police were responding to a domestic incident.
HE GRABS THE FEMALE OFFICER BY THE HAIR
YOU CAN HEAR HOW MUCH PAIN SHE IS IN
https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=3093930627330287

Domestic abuse victim speaks out - Viewers may find some images disturbing
"My hair had been pulled out ... "  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14t9bnDe9XY

Police: Lowell man pulled out victim’s hair
— Soon after being served with a restraining order obtained by his wife, police say Wade Woehler returned to his Lowell apartment early Tuesday morning, kicked in the door, pulled out a handful of his wife’s hair ...
https://www.lowellsun.com/2014/01/15/police-lowell-man-pulled-out-victims-hair/

[Mr Apples]

I asked William the same question, and he has answered it, if you look back a bit!

Okay, thanks (never saw your post, btw, as I don’t have the time to trawl through all the replies). Just a quick thought regarding the female DNA found on Jodi: surely this is dna that was innocently transferred from a family member? I highly doubt Judith, Janine, Alice W or Yvonne W did it. And, I can’t see [Name removed]’s or [Name removed]’s girlfriend doing it, either (unless, of course, they were assisted by these two lads — lads who were known to police and had a history of violence to both men and women). I highly doubt Kimberly Thomson was involved either. Definitely think it was male, 16 years of age and upwards. I wouldn’t rule Luke out completely, but, from what I’ve read of the case so far and from what I’ve read of Sandra’s book (I’m currently at the ‘Boys on the Moped’ chapter), I think it was a lone perpetrator who had a lot of strength, though I certainly wouldn’t rule out someone with an accomplice. Such a complex case with still so many unanswered questions.

Btw, how tall was Luke back in 2003? Was he a big lad for his age? It’s difficult to tell from the online photos of him at the time.

[Holly Goodhead]

Okay, thanks (never saw your post, btw, as I don’t have the time to trawl through all the replies). Just a quick thought regarding the female DNA found on Jodi: surely this is dna that was innocently transferred from a family member? I highly doubt Judith, Janine, Alice W or Yvonne W did it. And, I can’t see [Name removed]’s or [Name removed]’s girlfriend doing it, either (unless, of course, they were assisted by these two lads — lads who were known to police and had a history of violence to both men and women). I highly doubt Kimberly Thomson was involved either. Definitely think it was male, 16 years of age and upwards. I wouldn’t rule Luke out completely, but, from what I’ve read of the case so far and from what I’ve read of Sandra’s book (I’m currently at the ‘Boys on the Moped’ chapter), I think it was a lone perpetrator who had a lot of strength, though I certainly wouldn’t rule out someone with an accomplice. Such a complex case with still so many unanswered questions.

Btw, how tall was Luke back in 2003? Was he a big lad for his age? It’s difficult to tell from the online photos of him at the time.

I might be completely wrong but I think its probably a mistake this was anything to do with local people who were living in the vicinity at the time.  I think it has all the hallmarks of a lone psychopath like Christopher Halliwell who just happened to be in the area at the time.  Haliwell has links to Scotland, was a taxi driver and keen fisherman.  He also started off his life as a butcher.  Dalkeith is on the river Esk.  Was Halliwell driving a fare paying passenger to Edinburgh and stopped off for a spot of fishing?

[Vertigo Swirl]

I might be completely wrong but I think its probably a mistake this was anything to do with local people who were living in the vicinity at the time.  I think it has all the hallmarks of a lone psychopath like Christopher Halliwell who just happened to be in the area at the time.  Haliwell has links to Scotland, was a taxi driver and keen fisherman.  He also started off his life as a butcher.  Dalkeith is on the river Esk.  Was Halliwell driving a fare paying passenger to Edinburgh and stopped off for a spot of fishing?

Where was he living at the time might be a good place to start before making such accusations.  He murdered a woman in Swindon in 2002 which is where he lived, got any evidence he was ferrying people up to Scotland from swindon in his taxi at the time of Jodi's death?

[John]

Hi, yes I did write that post saying he is guilty. However, I've changed my mind as I explained to Mr.Swah. I've re-analysed everything in a lot more detail since then and concluded he definitely didn't do it. There is very little doubt in my mind that pulling hair out by the roots was something that happened during an attack by a female which escalated into a knife attack. Men don't pull hair out in fights or during attacks on women. The evidence from the many Sinclair and Tobin murders as well as the other high profile examples I gave of horrendous injuries to the victims but no hair pulling speaks for itself. Does it prove it was a female? No not conclusively, but it's a major red flag when you consider female DNA was found and there was no sexual assault.

A fair point but I would restrict it to adult males, Luke was only 15.  Boys fighting do pull each others hair out just like girls do.

[Holly Goodhead]

Where was he living at the time might be a good place to start before making such accusations.  He murdered a woman in Swindon in 2002 which is where he lived, got any evidence he was ferrying people up to Scotland from swindon in his taxi at the time of Jodi's death?

I think his home address is irrelevant when his job as a taxi driver could take him all over the country and he was known to be a keen fisherman.  He has been linked to the murder of Caroline Glachan. 

[Paranoid Android]

Are folk in the habit of taking taxis from the South West of England to central Scotland?

We're told that Christopher Halliwell was in the area at the time of Jodi's tragic murder - how is that known?

Also, it seems that part of Halliwell's MO was to bury his victims - that didn't happen here.

[Holly Goodhead]

Are folk in the habit of taking taxis from the South West of England to central Scotland?

We're told that Christopher Halliwell was in the area at the time of Jodi's tragic murder - how is that known?

Also, it seems that part of Halliwell's MO was to bury his victims - that didn't happen here.

What makes you think any route he might have taken was direct from SW England? 

He was partly brought up in Scotland moving there at the age of 10 where he remained until adhulthood.

He was a keen fisherman and canal boater.

[Vertigo Swirl]

I think his home address is irrelevant when his job as a taxi driver could take him all over the country and he was known to be a keen fisherman.  He has been linked to the murder of Caroline Glachan.

So you are completely cool with publicly pointing the finger at others without a single solitary speck of evidence?

[Holly Goodhead]

So you are completely cool with publicly pointing the finger at others without a single solitary speck of evidence?

If by others you mean my reference to Christopher Haliwell, currently serving a whole life sentence for the murders of Sian O'Callaghan and Rebecca Godden then the answer is emphatically no.  The cases aren't contentious.  He was linked forensically and admitted guilt.  By his own addmission he's sick.  The police suspect he is responsible for other murders.

I believe only a finite number of people are capable of carrying out the sort of attack sustained by J J and imo makes L M and the characters bandied about on here unlikely perps.