What Was The Motive?

[faithlilly]

Going by past events...NO

Flogging and dead horse come to mind.

What a gent.

[Holly Goodhead]

Mitchell had several bottles of urine in his room; why do you think that fact should have been redacted from the inventory?

I didn't say the bottles should have been redacted from the inventory.  The judge told the jury, in not so many words, they were irrelevant. 

If an inventory was made available how come we only hear about the bottles of urine?

In the case of Vincent Tabak the trial judge decided evidence about VT viewing pornography involving men choking women during sex, women in car boots and women bound and gagged, along with his use of prostitutes, should  be withheld from the jury.  And yet in this case all manner of irrelevant trivia has been weaved into a witch-hunt: iiking MM music, a fire burner going, urine in bottles. 

[William Wallace]

Of your ‘reality’ you mean

What I told you is fact. Contact those newspapers yourself and you will find it in the archives.

[Brietta]

I didn't say the bottles should have been redacted from the inventory.  The judge told the jury, in not so many words, they were irrelevant. 

If an inventory was made available how come we only hear about the bottles of urine?

In the case of Vincent Tabak the trial judge decided evidence about VT viewing pornography involving men choking women during sex, women in car boots and women bound and gagged, along with his use of prostitutes, should  be withheld from the jury.  And yet in this case all manner of irrelevant trivia has been weaved into a witch-hunt: iiking MM music, a fire burner going, urine in bottles.

No we don't only hear about Mitchell's hoard of urine kept in bottles in his bedroom.

We hear about the now you see it now you don't knife sheath.

We hear about the outdoor log burner ~ we hear about Shane's computer.  In fact we only hear what was relevant enough to be led in evidence at Mitchell's murder trial.

The defence objected to the mention of Mitchell's urine habit ~ the trial judge allowed it to be introduced into evidence.

[faithlilly]

No we don't only hear about Mitchell's hoard of urine kept in bottles in his bedroom.

We hear about the now you see it now you don't knife sheath.

We hear about the outdoor log burner ~ we hear about Shane's computer.  In fact we only hear what was relevant enough to be led in evidence at Mitchell's murder trial.

The defence objected to the mention of Mitchell's urine habit ~ the trial judge allowed it to be introduced into evidence.

And why was it relevant? Is everything teenage boy who wees in a bottle instead of going to the toilet likely to be a murderer?

[Vertigo Swirl]

And why was it relevant? Is everything teenage boy who wees in a bottle instead of going to the toilet likely to be a murderer?

Is hoarding urine in multiple bottles normal teenage boy behaviour then?  Not in my house it isn’t!

[Brietta]

Is hoarding urine in multiple bottled normal teenage boy behaviour then?  Not in my house it isn’t!

I have NEVER heard the like ... not even amongst those associated with drug abuse as mrswah and I have discussed.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Luke was IMO not a typical 14 year old. 
He was a regular drug user (statistically only around 10% of 14 year olds have taken drugs in the last month, Mitchell was a regular user apparently).
He carried knives
He stored his urine
He had (and still has) a fascination with the macabre and Satan
He was sexually active.
He had demonstrated threatening behaviour to other females
He had little respect for authority figures

In short he was a bit of a nightmare teen even before the murder conviction.  None of the above makes him a murderer but they do IMO paint a very worrying picture of a troubled youth.

[faithlilly]

I have NEVER heard the like ... not even amongst those associated with drug abuse as mrswah and I have discussed.

Of course you have, I’ve posted several links in relation to this subject.

The reasons seem to include laziness and a reaction to trauma.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Of course you have, I’ve posted several links in relation to this subject.

The reasons seem to include laziness and a reaction to trauma.

teo very different reasons.  Which one applied to Luke then?

[Vertigo Swirl]

Luke was IMO not a typical 14 year old. 
He was a regular drug user (statistically only around 10% of 14 year olds have taken drugs in the last month, Mitchell was a regular user apparently).
He carried knives
He stored his urine
He had (and still has) a fascination with the macabre and Satan
He was sexually active.
He had demonstrated threatening behaviour to other females
He had little respect for authority figures

In short he was a bit of a nightmare teen even before the murder conviction.  None of the above makes him a murderer but they do IMO paint a very worrying picture of a troubled youth.

Where was his mother in all this?  Did she care about his behaviour and unsavoury habits?  Or could her little darling do no wrong in her eyes?

[Parky41]

teo very different reasons.  Which one applied to Luke then?

None however apply though, do they? He was not sleeping in his room, so pretty much went out of his way to do this? Hardly lazy? Was it not also shown after DF's lovely pictures of a well kempt room, horse pictures on the wall? In contrast of the Crown, of a pigsty and of a sword on his wall?. - Oh, and all those jackets on his door, you know jackets that one could not get him to wear. That the police took them all - thus the parka - seems they left a few behind after removing them all?

Not traumatised at all though was he, again the evidence to disprove these futile claims above are in abundance.
 
Of viewing Mansons DVD of the dead girl in the woods. Of going out partying up town. Of buying more knives, of girls and so forth. Of this arrogant, very intelligent young lad - who had absolutely no respect for his elders, of authority and whom most definitely got to do what he pleased. Cannabis at home, sex at home, driving up and down the street with a reporter at 15. LM was no ordinary 14yr old boy. He lacked anything attributable to grief and trauma for someone so young, he was after all "not that kind of guy"

After 18yrs we still have this constant - "half a mars bar" situ. Every single piece of evidence is body swerved away from. It does not matter if none of the search party thought they would meet on this path, when they first headed out. They did meet and LM did hop over the wall at the V break. And this did happen within 10mins of being on this path. And he did lie from the off. Of having never been in this woodland, of not knowing of the V break in the wall. Of knives, of cannabis, of being home at dinner time, of his time on Newabattle R'd,  and much much more - And his mother has been caught out lying time and time again? - And this is put down to the same "half mars bar" situ - she is not lying she is simply confused?

I'll await that body swerve onto others - that "what about?" It does not matter, it still does change the evidence against LM.

[Paranoid Android]

Storing piss in jars doesn't make you a murderer. but it's deviant behaviour.

[faithlilly]

None however apply though, do they? He was not sleeping in his room, so pretty much went out of his way to do this? Hardly lazy? Was it not also shown after DF's lovely pictures of a well kempt room, horse pictures on the wall? In contrast of the Crown, of a pigsty and of a sword on his wall?. - Oh, and all those jackets on his door, you know jackets that one could not get him to wear. That the police took them all - thus the parka - seems they left a few behind after removing them all?

Not traumatised at all though was he, again the evidence to disprove these futile claims above are in abundance.
 
Of viewing Mansons DVD of the dead girl in the woods. Of going out partying up town. Of buying more knives, of girls and so forth. Of this arrogant, very intelligent young lad - who had absolutely no respect for his elders, of authority and whom most definitely got to do what he pleased. Cannabis at home, sex at home, driving up and down the street with a reporter at 15. LM was no ordinary 14yr old boy. He lacked anything attributable to grief and trauma for someone so young, he was after all "not that kind of guy"

After 18yrs we still have this constant - "half a mars bar" situ. Every single piece of evidence is body swerved away from. It does not matter if none of the search party thought they would meet on this path, when they first headed out. They did meet and LM did hop over the wall at the V break. And this did happen within 10mins of being on this path. And he did lie from the off. Of having never been in this woodland, of not knowing of the V break in the wall. Of knives, of cannabis, of being home at dinner time, of his time on Newabattle R'd,  and much much more - And his mother has been caught out lying time and time again? - And this is put down to the same "half mars bar" situ - she is not lying she is simply confused?

I'll await that body swerve onto others - that "what about?" It does not matter, it still does change the evidence against LM.

There you go...the power of the media....writ large.

Every hysterical media story, ever misinformed forum post, moulded like so much sausage meat into misshapen links. It doesn’t matter that it’s mostly gristle and will leave most people feeling nauseous....some will swallow it and that’s the consumers who are being targeted.

[Vertigo Swirl]

There you go...the power of the media....writ large.

Every hysterical media story, ever misinformed forum post, moulded like so much sausage meat into misshapen links. It doesn’t matter that it’s mostly gristle and will leave most people feeling nauseous....some will swallow it and that’s the consumers who are being targeted.

OK lets flip this on its head. Is this a more accurate description of Luke Mitchell?

Luke was IMO a typical 14 year old. 
He was not a regular drug user
He did not carry knives
He did not store his urine
He has never had a fascination with the macabre and Satan
He was not sexually active.
He never demonstrated  threatening behaviour to other females
He had utmost respect for authority figures

There, is that a more truthful depiction of this sweet little boy?