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Re: What's Significant About LM Finding J J?
« Reply #135 on: September 23, 2021, 03:38:05 PM »
Apart from anything else, it just seems weird that, of all the people who could have discovered Jodi, it happened to be the self same person who was meant to meet her, but supposedly didn't.

Well, he was looking for her, and he did have a dog with him.

Would you have found it weird if someone else from the search party had found her?

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Re: What's Significant About LM Finding J J?
« Reply #136 on: September 23, 2021, 03:44:03 PM »
Well, he was looking for her, and he did have a dog with him.

Would you have found it weird if someone else from the search party had found her?

I don't think anyone else in the search party was meant to meet Jodi earlier in the day.

See John's reply - why don't you ask him?

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Re: What's Significant About LM Finding J J?
« Reply #137 on: September 23, 2021, 10:18:40 PM »
Well, he was looking for her, and he did have a dog with him.

Would you have found it weird if someone else from the search party had found her?

No. Not if Jodi had been alive.

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Re: What's Significant About LM Finding J J?
« Reply #138 on: September 23, 2021, 10:35:39 PM »
Well, he was looking for her, and he did have a dog with him.

Would you have found it weird if someone else from the search party had found her?

Actually,  may I take that back please? It would have been very odd for anyone in the search party to have found poor Jodi within that small space of time but they didn't. Luke Mitchell did.

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Re: What's Significant About LM Finding J J?
« Reply #139 on: September 24, 2021, 12:51:42 AM »
Well, he was looking for her, and he did have a dog with him.

Would you have found it weird if someone else from the search party had found her?

Yes, under the same evidence - who wouldn't be?

As John states, of being surprised that this girl had not been found over the course of that evening. The very reason that it was nothing short of a miracle that LM would suddenly find her in the space of seconds upon entering that wood. He had left her hidden. That area of woodland was off the beaten track, infrequently used by anyone other than perhaps youngsters. Not an area popular with dog walkers and others who used that V to access the East end woods of the Esk Trail, Abbey and Golf course. Doing exactly as DD had done. Entered, followed the path in front and up East to the Golf course woods.

The very reason his dogs (hunting dogs), were tested by using a pig carcass. Of his dogs going over that break in the wall, off lead and walking the 'normal' route up with their master. They picked up nothing, and we are to believe that this family guard dog miraculously picked up a scent!! Which was not in the woodland, was not anywhere near where Mitchell made claim to, on a tight harness. And he hopped over that break and seconds later he is shouting out. - nonsense.

So, yet again that clear confusion. Down west from that break in the wall, was not an area frequently used, it led nowhere. Hangout place at most, at times by local youngsters. Hangout place for Mitchell.  The 'used' exit and entry point was the V break, used to walk East into the Golf course woods, the Abbey grounds, where the woods joined at the top of that woodland strip. And reason for being left hidden and off that beaten track, the one person who needed time on their side, to get an alibi and disposal in place, is the one person that Jodi was supposed to be with, that person being LM.

And the mere fact that we know without a shadow of a doubt, that the attack started and finished in that area of the woods, and was witnessed by no one other than the noises heard by LK - tells us just how isolated that area was, of it not being frequented regularly. There were no other dog walkers in that area from that V break down that evening, only DD eastwards. Children playing in the top end, into the back of Easthouse's itself. The caves the author speaks of, the closest one, in an entirely different area of woodland, at least half a mile away! 

So this isolated area,  hidden behind that large Oak tree, next to that wall, the overgrowth and some distance down from the 'normal' thoroughfare that barely anyone used. Hidden away from and off any beaten track. And we have four people walking down that path. Within 8 minutes of commencing that walk together, we have Mitchell introducing that woodland strip to the search, behind that large stone dyke. When he looked over at the 'Gino' break. And they come to the next break, easier to access one and he goes over this time. And seconds later, with no unfamiliarity, no trepidation of step, he is shouting out he had found something.

And he lies and he just keeps on lying. He claims he had never been in there before that evening, he claims he did not know that V break existed. He claims that 'they' had all walked some distance past that break, "not even 20 yards". He further clarifies this to being "parallel to" where Jodi lay in the woods.

And one really has to shake their heads here, and wonder why people feel LM was framed, that the police had tunnel vision! Jodi, after being left hidden was not discovered over the course of that evening. Where can there even be a fragment of doubt, that he was clearly chapping at the bit! And more lies, he states he was home and in his room from just after 9pm. No he was not. He had no concern and the stories around this, nothing short of exposing more lies upon lies. Waiting and waiting should someone by chance come across her, knowing the likelihood of this was slim. And that curfew time comes and he is seen arriving home.

Waiting and waiting and finally that correspondence he had been waiting on, comes. And it is instant, I will search, I will search the RDP, and he waited until the family arrived, and he asked (after requesting), if they had brought something of Jodi's. So from that very first moment of correspondence and his offer to search and search that very path it took less than 50mins. And it took less than 10 mins once together, to discuss, to set off down and discover. - He was not searching, he was leading them directly to her. In less than ten minutes of offering to search that very path, he is on it!

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Re: What's Significant About LM Finding J J?
« Reply #140 on: September 24, 2021, 02:48:16 AM »
Yes, under the same evidence - who wouldn't be?

As John states, of being surprised that this girl had not been found over the course of that evening. The very reason that it was nothing short of a miracle that LM would suddenly find her in the space of seconds upon entering that wood. He had left her hidden. That area of woodland was off the beaten track, infrequently used by anyone other than perhaps youngsters. Not an area popular with dog walkers and others who used that V to access the East end woods of the Esk Trail, Abbey and Golf course. Doing exactly as DD had done. Entered, followed the path in front and up East to the Golf course woods.

The very reason his dogs (hunting dogs), were tested by using a pig carcass. Of his dogs going over that break in the wall, off lead and walking the 'normal' route up with their master. They picked up nothing, and we are to believe that this family guard dog miraculously picked up a scent!! Which was not in the woodland, was not anywhere near where Mitchell made claim to, on a tight harness. And he hopped over that break and seconds later he is shouting out. - nonsense.

So, yet again that clear confusion. Down west from that break in the wall, was not an area frequently used, it led nowhere. Hangout place at most, at times by local youngsters. Hangout place for Mitchell.  The 'used' exit and entry point was the V break, used to walk East into the Golf course woods, the Abbey grounds, where the woods joined at the top of that woodland strip. And reason for being left hidden and off that beaten track, the one person who needed time on their side, to get an alibi and disposal in place, is the one person that Jodi was supposed to be with, that person being LM.

And the mere fact that we know without a shadow of a doubt, that the attack started and finished in that area of the woods, and was witnessed by no one other than the noises heard by LK - tells us just how isolated that area was, of it not being frequented regularly. There were no other dog walkers in that area from that V break down that evening, only DD eastwards. Children playing in the top end, into the back of Easthouse's itself. The caves the author speaks of, the closest one, in an entirely different area of woodland, at least half a mile away! 

So this isolated area,  hidden behind that large Oak tree, next to that wall, the overgrowth and some distance down from the 'normal' thoroughfare that barely anyone used. Hidden away from and off any beaten track. And we have four people walking down that path. Within 8 minutes of commencing that walk together, we have Mitchell introducing that woodland strip to the search, behind that large stone dyke. When he looked over at the 'Gino' break. And they come to the next break, easier to access one and he goes over this time. And seconds later, with no unfamiliarity, no trepidation of step, he is shouting out he had found something.

And he lies and he just keeps on lying. He claims he had never been in there before that evening, he claims he did not know that V break existed. He claims that 'they' had all walked some distance past that break, "not even 20 yards". He further clarifies this to being "parallel to" where Jodi lay in the woods.

And one really has to shake their heads here, and wonder why people feel LM was framed, that the police had tunnel vision! Jodi, after being left hidden was not discovered over the course of that evening. Where can there even be a fragment of doubt, that he was clearly chapping at the bit! And more lies, he states he was home and in his room from just after 9pm. No he was not. He had no concern and the stories around this, nothing short of exposing more lies upon lies. Waiting and waiting should someone by chance come across her, knowing the likelihood of this was slim. And that curfew time comes and he is seen arriving home.

Waiting and waiting and finally that correspondence he had been waiting on, comes. And it is instant, I will search, I will search the RDP, and he waited until the family arrived, and he asked (after requesting), if they had brought something of Jodi's. So from that very first moment of correspondence and his offer to search and search that very path it took less than 50mins. And it took less than 10 mins once together, to discuss, to set off down and discover. - He was not searching, he was leading them directly to her. In less than ten minutes of offering to search that very path, he is on it!

It's chilling to imagine what he was doing during his three unaccounted for hours.

Offline faithlilly

Re: What's Significant About LM Finding J J?
« Reply #141 on: September 24, 2021, 09:45:48 AM »
Yes, under the same evidence - who wouldn't be?

As John states, of being surprised that this girl had not been found over the course of that evening. The very reason that it was nothing short of a miracle that LM would suddenly find her in the space of seconds upon entering that wood. He had left her hidden. That area of woodland was off the beaten track, infrequently used by anyone other than perhaps youngsters. Not an area popular with dog walkers and others who used that V to access the East end woods of the Esk Trail, Abbey and Golf course. Doing exactly as DD had done. Entered, followed the path in front and up East to the Golf course woods.

The very reason his dogs (hunting dogs), were tested by using a pig carcass. Of his dogs going over that break in the wall, off lead and walking the 'normal' route up with their master. They picked up nothing, and we are to believe that this family guard dog miraculously picked up a scent!! Which was not in the woodland, was not anywhere near where Mitchell made claim to, on a tight harness. And he hopped over that break and seconds later he is shouting out. - nonsense.

So, yet again that clear confusion. Down west from that break in the wall, was not an area frequently used, it led nowhere. Hangout place at most, at times by local youngsters. Hangout place for Mitchell.  The 'used' exit and entry point was the V break, used to walk East into the Golf course woods, the Abbey grounds, where the woods joined at the top of that woodland strip. And reason for being left hidden and off that beaten track, the one person who needed time on their side, to get an alibi and disposal in place, is the one person that Jodi was supposed to be with, that person being LM.

And the mere fact that we know without a shadow of a doubt, that the attack started and finished in that area of the woods, and was witnessed by no one other than the noises heard by LK - tells us just how isolated that area was, of it not being frequented regularly. There were no other dog walkers in that area from that V break down that evening, only DD eastwards. Children playing in the top end, into the back of Easthouse's itself. The caves the author speaks of, the closest one, in an entirely different area of woodland, at least half a mile away! 

So this isolated area,  hidden behind that large Oak tree, next to that wall, the overgrowth and some distance down from the 'normal' thoroughfare that barely anyone used. Hidden away from and off any beaten track. And we have four people walking down that path. Within 8 minutes of commencing that walk together, we have Mitchell introducing that woodland strip to the search, behind that large stone dyke. When he looked over at the 'Gino' break. And they come to the next break, easier to access one and he goes over this time. And seconds later, with no unfamiliarity, no trepidation of step, he is shouting out he had found something.

And he lies and he just keeps on lying. He claims he had never been in there before that evening, he claims he did not know that V break existed. He claims that 'they' had all walked some distance past that break, "not even 20 yards". He further clarifies this to being "parallel to" where Jodi lay in the woods.

And one really has to shake their heads here, and wonder why people feel LM was framed, that the police had tunnel vision! Jodi, after being left hidden was not discovered over the course of that evening. Where can there even be a fragment of doubt, that he was clearly chapping at the bit! And more lies, he states he was home and in his room from just after 9pm. No he was not. He had no concern and the stories around this, nothing short of exposing more lies upon lies. Waiting and waiting should someone by chance come across her, knowing the likelihood of this was slim. And that curfew time comes and he is seen arriving home.

Waiting and waiting and finally that correspondence he had been waiting on, comes. And it is instant, I will search, I will search the RDP, and he waited until the family arrived, and he asked (after requesting), if they had brought something of Jodi's. So from that very first moment of correspondence and his offer to search and search that very path it took less than 50mins. And it took less than 10 mins once together, to discuss, to set off down and discover. - He was not searching, he was leading them directly to her. In less than ten minutes of offering to search that very path, he is on it!

Two things . Firstly it was Alice Walker who suggested going back down the path that Luke had just walked. Luke had no way of knowing that they would be going back down that particular path.

Secondly Luke was a product of the metric generation. Like my nephew, who is ages with Luke, they deal in mm,cm and metres, grms and kg….not inches, feet and yards. Would he really have described the distance he had travelled past the break in yards or was it put to him and he was simply unaware of how far the distance was?
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Paranoid Android

Re: What's Significant About LM Finding J J?
« Reply #142 on: September 24, 2021, 09:56:52 AM »
Where else would they go other than the last place Jodi was spotted heading for?

Offline Paranoid Android

Re: What's Significant About LM Finding J J?
« Reply #143 on: September 24, 2021, 10:00:28 AM »
Defenders of LM often ask how LM could have fled a bloody crime scene without being seen covered in blood.

Out of interest, was anyone else spotted walking in the area around that time on that day covered in blood?

Let's have a comprehensive list of those people, please.

Offline faithlilly

Re: What's Significant About LM Finding J J?
« Reply #144 on: September 24, 2021, 10:16:37 AM »
Where else would they go other than the last place Jodi was spotted heading for?

But according to the family she was ‘ hanging around in Easthouses’. None of the family saw her heading towards RDP.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline faithlilly

Re: What's Significant About LM Finding J J?
« Reply #145 on: September 24, 2021, 10:37:46 AM »
Defenders of LM often ask how LM could have fled a bloody crime scene without being seen covered in blood.

Out of interest, was anyone else spotted walking in the area around that time on that day covered in blood?

Let's have a comprehensive list of those people, please.

Now that is an interesting question though quite easily answered.

An unknown assailant, covered in blood, could have taken multiple routes to safety, chosen, I would have thought, because they gave him/her some semblance of cover.

Luke could also have taken several routes which hid him from the public’s gaze but he would still have to have broken cover to get to his house which, I believe, was in the middle of the estate. This was, arguably, the most dangerous part of his getaway too, with the all to real chance that one of the many residents whose houses he would have to have passed would spot him.

Further an unknown assailant could have been teaming with Jodi’s DNA. How thorough his/her clean up was would never be an issue. Luke’s person and surroundings were analysed to the nth degree with nothing found to link him to the murder found.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Parky41

Re: What's Significant About LM Finding J J?
« Reply #146 on: September 24, 2021, 11:18:44 AM »
Two things . Firstly it was Alice Walker who suggested going back down the path that Luke had just walked. Luke had no way of knowing that they would be going back down that particular path.

Secondly Luke was a product of the metric generation. Like my nephew, who is ages with Luke, they deal in mm,cm and metres, grms and kg….not inches, feet and yards. Would he really have described the distance he had travelled past the break in yards or was it put to him and he was simply unaware of how far the distance was?

He used "some distance  past" along with "not even 20 yards" - just in case that perhaps is not clear enough for you, he then went onto stating it was "parallel to where Jodi lay in the woods" - So the exact place he meant was not confusing, was it? Neither were the search trio's also from the off. On and approaching and not a foot past, Mitchell with his dog went directly to that break in the wall ---------

But of course, one is trying to imply that the police put words into pretty much everyone's mouths, more so Mitchell. Interestingly the author speaks of a young witness, who she claims the police wrote down lots of words she did not understand, and stated "don't worry, it means the same, you won't be called as a witness anyway" A very intelligent and bright young girl. And of course nonsense, the police write down what you say, read back and if inconsistencies then can change/clarify. And one would doubt, they would put down some words that someone simply did not understand - and of course there is no example given of any words!

More so, the author goes onto to state of the mental health problems of this young girl, the anxiety brought about - she claims due to perhaps being called as a witness and going to jail if not telling the truth?! - The truth, this girl was a mutual friend, close to both the deceased and LM. Her evidence was heard in court, her statements read from, no fancy unrecognizable words. The anxiety and mental health problems were down to the simple factor of - Losing her friend and the other one under suspicion then charged with her murder. Horrific situation to be in that resulted in those mental health issues. What the author does not tell you, and can not fail to know, yet again, Is that this close friend stopped speaking to both CM and her son. Extremely relevant and very telling information.


And of AW, yes we know that she suggested they look properly. Hardly surprising, is it? They are heading there to meet with Mitchell, they had been asked to take something of Jodi's. When they got there he was not even at the top of that path. They each saw the others torch light "Is that you Luke?" shouted out AW, "yes", They walked to meet with him, down from the junction of those paths. And two questions, "did you see anything" "No" - "Do you have anything of Jodi's" for the dog to use to scent with and "No" So there you have it, he had not even reached the top of that path, and he asks if they had brought something and where does one assume they are going to search, with that something of Jodi's? The path of course. He asks he waits, he is still on it, not all of it could have been searched as he had not even walked the length of it.  And that is the cover of making it all happen. But you are correct, there are several things he could not have banked on. But, one thing by that point, for sure, is that LM was going to be part of more than one person searching that path. Why?

She was coming to mine, she was supposed to walk this path to get there = the last place she would/could have been he has made clear, is that very path. Again the utter nonsense of zoning in on one thing over everything else, that of AW but when it is put into context it shows a completely different account. They have walked down to meet with him, already an area of that path that could not have been searched. He has the dog, he is making it clear of using the dog ! with or without having that something of Jodi's. So they then do what they were meeting to do, to search that path together! - and in around 8 mins - that miraculous find (cough)  He had fed and filled their heads with that path and searching it, plain and simple. From waiting on that first correspondence coming through.

10.49pm - 'I will search, I will search the RDP. I will come to yours to go through phone numbers?!? And again, the only number he may have been able to give was the mutual friend above, if Jodi's mother did not already have it, but then this girl was away on a school trip. So that guise of phone numbers was false, a non starter. He was heading and leading a search to the RDP. And every piece of nonsense given, in an attempt to rush him up that path, to deflect away from the dog doing naff all, backfired time and again. For it that lad had been rushing anywhere, he would have been up and off it. He was not, he was waiting and he was leading that search to it, intentionally.

He certainly was rushing though, chapping at the bit from 10pm. 10.49pm and that instant offer to get on that path and search and by 10.59pm he is that path. And the one thing that stands out along with this, is the police! 10.49pm "I am phoning the police Luke and he is right in there" 10.59pm "I have phoned the police Luke, Jodi's gran is coming out and it is "I am on the  path" And he stays and within minutes of meeting, before the police have an active chance to be involved she is found!! - he knew exactly what he was doing. Jack flash, up at that Gino break introducing the woodland to the search, and upon the next break in is instantly there and over. And it is here yet again that the book deflects away from:

The "interrogation" - Of Mitchell wanting the screen turned back to see! It did not matter as with the claims of being "parallel to" on the path side, where Mitchell claimed he had walked to, on the inside of that wall, for he had not. He did not have the time to, in motion with Kelly and JaJ on that unobstructed path side 10 -15 steps. And it was them that hasted back and there he was, on the other side of that break, once more. He could not have walked more than those 3 meters on the inside of that wall, and there was no visibility from there, still around 30 ft away with obstacle after obstacle in the way of sight. And those lies just keep on given -

Mitchell had a search light it is claimed, whilst the others had mere household torches! He was able to see further and see everything due to this, given as a reason you know, Just in case he had only walked those three meters!! But there was no evidence of him carrying a search light, one with x-ray powers of course! Those torches tested to see exactly how strong they were.

Offline Parky41

Re: What's Significant About LM Finding J J?
« Reply #147 on: September 24, 2021, 12:08:14 PM »
Defenders of LM often ask how LM could have fled a bloody crime scene without being seen covered in blood.

Out of interest, was anyone else spotted walking in the area around that time on that day covered in blood?

Let's have a comprehensive list of those people, please.

No is the answer of course - and anyone had to come out from any cover of the woods at some point. Stranger or otherwise. And out of anyone known to the victim, Mitchell is the one person who had a relatively short distance to cover from the wood, through the cul-de-sac and into the cover of his garden. Do I believe he had on that parka and dripping blood, no I do not. Simply left in the woods/carried home?  And he had to cross through a river to get home via those woods removing any trail from that footwear. I do not believe he was dripping with blood at all, and again the evidence shows us this, whether people accept it or not. And there was a trail followed into the woods next to his home, the very reason we have this "bleaching the scene in one direction only" claims!! To give reason as to why the trail only went West!!

We can use the straightforward time scale, of having time to get home and changed and back the way he came, at haste onto Newbattle Road from the wood with that change of clothing. Staying just long enough to be seen with that blouson jacket on. The sighting by the people who did not ID Mitchell but that blouson jacket and clothing to a T. Was at the spot near to the F&W sighting, the entry and exit to the area of woods. The Esk Trail. And he did not have to enter his house prior to being cleaned a bit, or removing that outerwear. This lad who was savvy to the implications of DNA, extremely clued up.

And of not seeing him, and of this "in the middle of a housing estate" is not accurate. A cul-de-sac to go through and over the road. But what of his claims? Of toddling off from his house to the entrance of that estate. He was not seen and that is walking a fair distance from his house to get to that point. This was supposed to be, (after the changes) at 5.30pm but not seen until almost 6pm at the end of the work day. Not even by his own brother, who claimed to have left home just after 5.30pm.

So we have this short distance from wood to garden and back again. And not seen. Or we have this idle walk from house to entry of the estate by motorists.And a half hour of not being seen!?  Yet in the space of 20mins seen umpteen times - logic again tells us that Mitchell was not walking to or at the entrance of that estate from 5.30pm. And not on Newbattle Road up until around 7pm!

So reality, less than a minute to get from the cover of those woods into his garden and back again and not seen. Over around 30 mins of walking and sitting/walking and not seen?!

If we want to enter into other realms, and of the evidence led of "knowing the best way to kill someone" Whatever fantasies, Just how much was Mitchell prepped? And we can revert back to earlier in that day, of the fall out at lunch time. Of Mitchell no liking confrontation and we can ask ourselves, had he planned on carrying out that attack upon Jodi that evening and had it all set in motion?

Lucky to not have been seen exiting those woods into his estate. Not lucky however in being seen by F&W and the couple who saw him after entering Newbattle Road again. But reality, and not being seen in the space of around 30min then a further 40 mins + Not very likely at all, is it?

Offline Mr Apples

Re: What's Significant About LM Finding J J?
« Reply #148 on: September 24, 2021, 12:18:48 PM »
Yes, under the same evidence - who wouldn't be?

As John states, of being surprised that this girl had not been found over the course of that evening. The very reason that it was nothing short of a miracle that LM would suddenly find her in the space of seconds upon entering that wood. He had left her hidden. That area of woodland was off the beaten track, infrequently used by anyone other than perhaps youngsters. Not an area popular with dog walkers and others who used that V to access the East end woods of the Esk Trail, Abbey and Golf course. Doing exactly as DD had done. Entered, followed the path in front and up East to the Golf course woods.

The very reason his dogs (hunting dogs), were tested by using a pig carcass. Of his dogs going over that break in the wall, off lead and walking the 'normal' route up with their master. They picked up nothing, and we are to believe that this family guard dog miraculously picked up a scent!! Which was not in the woodland, was not anywhere near where Mitchell made claim to, on a tight harness. And he hopped over that break and seconds later he is shouting out. - nonsense.

So, yet again that clear confusion. Down west from that break in the wall, was not an area frequently used, it led nowhere. Hangout place at most, at times by local youngsters. Hangout place for Mitchell.  The 'used' exit and entry point was the V break, used to walk East into the Golf course woods, the Abbey grounds, where the woods joined at the top of that woodland strip. And reason for being left hidden and off that beaten track, the one person who needed time on their side, to get an alibi and disposal in place, is the one person that Jodi was supposed to be with, that person being LM.

And the mere fact that we know without a shadow of a doubt, that the attack started and finished in that area of the woods, and was witnessed by no one other than the noises heard by LK - tells us just how isolated that area was, of it not being frequented regularly. There were no other dog walkers in that area from that V break down that evening, only DD eastwards. Children playing in the top end, into the back of Easthouse's itself. The caves the author speaks of, the closest one, in an entirely different area of woodland, at least half a mile away! 

So this isolated area,  hidden behind that large Oak tree, next to that wall, the overgrowth and some distance down from the 'normal' thoroughfare that barely anyone used. Hidden away from and off any beaten track. And we have four people walking down that path. Within 8 minutes of commencing that walk together, we have Mitchell introducing that woodland strip to the search, behind that large stone dyke. When he looked over at the 'Gino' break. And they come to the next break, easier to access one and he goes over this time. And seconds later, with no unfamiliarity, no trepidation of step, he is shouting out he had found something.

And he lies and he just keeps on lying. He claims he had never been in there before that evening, he claims he did not know that V break existed. He claims that 'they' had all walked some distance past that break, "not even 20 yards". He further clarifies this to being "parallel to" where Jodi lay in the woods.

And one really has to shake their heads here, and wonder why people feel LM was framed, that the police had tunnel vision! Jodi, after being left hidden was not discovered over the course of that evening. Where can there even be a fragment of doubt, that he was clearly chapping at the bit! And more lies, he states he was home and in his room from just after 9pm. No he was not. He had no concern and the stories around this, nothing short of exposing more lies upon lies. Waiting and waiting should someone by chance come across her, knowing the likelihood of this was slim. And that curfew time comes and he is seen arriving home.

Waiting and waiting and finally that correspondence he had been waiting on, comes. And it is instant, I will search, I will search the RDP, and he waited until the family arrived, and he asked (after requesting), if they had brought something of Jodi's. So from that very first moment of correspondence and his offer to search and search that very path it took less than 50mins. And it took less than 10 mins once together, to discuss, to set off down and discover. - He was not searching, he was leading them directly to her. In less than ten minutes of offering to search that very path, he is on it!

The above post by Parky41 is, imo, a compelling and accurate summation of what likely happened on that fateful day.  Yep, the circumstantial evidence against LM sure was overwhelming. From that broken alibi (for god’s sake, Shane, you either saw him or you didn’t; these ‘I don’t knows, I can’t remembers, and he could have beens’ were very telling and indicative of lies), to AB’s ‘I’m as sure as I can be it’s him’ sighting (she was taken aback by just how much the person in the book of photographs looked like the lad she saw, don’t kid yourselves!), the same sighting of this lad who was wearing khaki green clothing with clumps of hair sticking up at the back, quarrelling/disputing with a female of around the same age (animated, gesticulating with his hands — it even caught the attention of AB, a stranger, from her car, and even though it was a momentary glance; the image stuck in her head like a photograph) at around five to five. Lo and behold LK heard the disturbing noises of the attack (that the little dispute witnessed by AB some 15 mins earlier had obviously escalated to its horrific climax as he was cycling by) and then, about half an hour later, a young man in khaki green clothing with shoulder-length hair is spotted by two motorists (an unequivocal “oh my god, it’s him!”) at a wooden gate on a busy road at peak time — a wooden gate that just so happened to be directly down from where LK heard those disturbingly strange noises! God only knows what had taken place between 1705-1740 hrs that day. I shudder to think.

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Re: What's Significant About LM Finding J J?
« Reply #149 on: September 24, 2021, 01:29:58 PM »
So, just to summarise:

There would be nothing unusual in the search party starting at RDP given that that was the obvious place to start;

and

If it was possible for A Murderer to escape the bloody crime scene without being spotted, then it was also possible for LM to do so, particularly because his movements remain unaccounted for.

Oops, I appear to have dropped my mic.