Author Topic: What's Significant About LM Finding J J?  (Read 66934 times)

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Offline Bullseye

Re: What's Significant About LM Finding J J?
« Reply #210 on: February 13, 2023, 10:20:50 PM »
A rational debate would be good, just not James Emglish or Mr Fivo who have a bias. I've tried asking questions on previous live Q&A's and been blocked or deleted. Democracy?

For some reason you're not allowed to ask about Shane or CM alibis, LM's knife collection, knife attacks on girls, his dad, his movements between 5-6pm, but actively encourage Qs on the intimate details of the Jones family and their medical records.

I have noticed a lot of questions on the lives also being ignored. It would be good to get some of it cleared up. Could make all the difference to some peoples opinion’s including mine.

Offline faithlilly

Re: What's Significant About LM Finding J J?
« Reply #211 on: February 13, 2023, 10:28:56 PM »
A rational debate would be good, just not James Emglish or Mr Fivo who have a bias. I've tried asking questions on previous live Q&A's and been blocked or deleted. Democracy?

For some reason you're not allowed to ask about Shane or CM alibis, LM's knife collection, knife attacks on girls, his dad, his movements between 5-6pm, but actively encourage Qs on the intimate details of the Jones family and their medical records.

I don’t think platforms like JE are particularly the best vehicle for a balanced debate. The problem is would either side accept answers that while absolutely truthful are not what they want to hear?
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Kenmair

Re: What's Significant About LM Finding J J?
« Reply #212 on: February 13, 2023, 11:18:30 PM »
I don’t think platforms like JE are particularly the best vehicle for a balanced debate. The problem is would either side accept answers that while absolutely truthful are not what they want to hear?

Faith, have you ventured forth on the RD Path and NB area to get an idea of the case and the possibilties of what could and couldn't have happened? It's quite a small area.

Offline faithlilly

Re: What's Significant About LM Finding J J?
« Reply #213 on: February 13, 2023, 11:25:31 PM »
Faith, have you ventured forth on the RD Path and NB area to get an idea of the case and the possibilties of what could and couldn't have happened? It's quite a small area.

I have but I don’t quite understand the point you are trying to make.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Kenmair

Re: What's Significant About LM Finding J J?
« Reply #214 on: February 16, 2023, 09:04:03 PM »
I have but I don’t quite understand the point you are trying to make.

Just to get a feel for the timescales and distances involved and how the killer could have escaped without being seen - unless it was the sightings on NB Road?

Offline faithlilly

Re: What's Significant About LM Finding J J?
« Reply #215 on: February 17, 2023, 12:00:34 AM »
Just to get a feel for the timescales and distances involved and how the killer could have escaped without being seen - unless it was the sightings on NB Road?

COULD being the operative word. Apart from AB whose first timelines were an hour too late to be Luke and Jodi and who failed to pick him out at court and Walsh and Fleming who only identified Luke after his photograph had been in the papers there is absolutely nothing to put Luke at either end of RDP on the night of Jodi’s murder.
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Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Nicholas

Re: What's Significant About LM Finding J J?
« Reply #216 on: February 17, 2023, 03:11:36 AM »
Walsh and Fleming who only identified Luke after his photograph had been in the papers there is absolutely nothing to put Luke at either end of RDP on the night of Jodi’s murder.

Rosemary Walsh and Lorraine Fleming’s evidence was supported by Andrew Holburn, Dean Houston and Grant Elliot ‘s

https://www.thefreelibrary.com/THE+JODI+JONES+TRIAL%3A+A+strangling+sort+of+sound%2Ca+human.+It+sounded...-a0125808235
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Offline Nicholas

Re: What's Significant About LM Finding J J?
« Reply #217 on: February 17, 2023, 04:13:27 AM »
Rosemary Walsh and Lorraine Fleming’s evidence was supported by Andrew Holburn, Dean Houston and Grant Elliot ‘s

https://www.thefreelibrary.com/THE+JODI+JONES+TRIAL%3A+A+strangling+sort+of+sound%2Ca+human.+It+sounded...-a0125808235

Lorraine Fleming 👇

’She told the court:'I said to Rosemary, 'He looks like he's up to no good'. It was just the way he was standing. It just didn't look right at all.

'Just as we got closer to him, he flicked his hair back off his face.It wasa young boy and I thought aged about17.

'He was dressed all in dark clothing and his jacket was a dark green colour.'

The next day, after learning of the murder,Rosemary phoned her and said: 'I think we should get in touch with the police. It may not mean anything to us but it might mean something to them.'


Miss Fleming was interviewed by officers. Then, in August, she saw a picture of Mitchell in the Record. The photo reminded her of the boy she had seen and she called police to tell them.

She told advocate depute Alan Turnbull QC that, at that time, she didn't know Mitchell or any of his family.

He then read her police statement which said: 'I do recall that the article named the boy as Luke something but the important thing is I recognised the boy as the person I had seen standing at the gate.'

Mr Turnbull asked, as nearly 18 months had passed, would she be able to recognise the same person again. 
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Offline Nicholas

Re: What's Significant About LM Finding J J?
« Reply #218 on: February 17, 2023, 04:38:28 AM »
Walsh and Fleming who only identified Luke after his photograph had been in the papers

Were Rosemary Walsh and Lorraine Fleming shown a photograph of killer Luke Mitchell when they first contacted the police on the 1st July 2003

Just as we got closer to him, he flicked his hair back off his face.It was a young boy and I thought aged about 17.

'He was dressed all in dark clothing and his jacket was a dark green colour.'

The next day, after learning of the murder, Rosemary phoned her and said: 'I think we should get in touch with the police. It may not mean anything to us but it might mean something to them.'

Miss Fleming was interviewed by officers.
Then, in August, she saw a picture of Mitchell in the Record. The photo reminded her of the boy she had seen and she called police to tell them.

She told advocate depute Alan Turnbull QC that, at that time, she didn't know Mitchell or any of his family.
Who wants to take on this great massive lie?” Writer Martin Preib on the tsunami of innocence fraud sweeping our nation

Offline Nicholas

Re: What's Significant About LM Finding J J?
« Reply #219 on: February 17, 2023, 04:55:20 AM »
Just to get a feel for the timescales and distances involved and how the killer could have escaped without being seen - unless it was the sightings on NB Road?

A WOMAN told the Jodi Jones murder trial yesterday she saw a youth - later identified as Luke Mitchell - "up to no good" near where the body was found.

Lorraine Fleming, 46, said she saw the youth standing against a gate opposite the entrance to Roan's Dyke footpath in Dalkeith, Midlothian, where Jodi's mutilated body was discovered on June 30 last year.

Mrs Fleming identified Mitchell, 16, in the court dock as the boy she had seen. She said she knew it was him as "the eyes were the same", though his hair had changed.

The witness, who had been in the passenger seat of a friend's car, told the High Court in Edinburgh: "I said to my friend as he came into view that he looked as if he'd been up to no good.

"It was just the way he was standing, he wasn't looking for anyone or waiting for anyone, he was looking down at the pavement. You just had to be there to know what I mean. He just didn't look right at all."


Was it psychopathic killer Luke Mitchell who lied and told the police he was ‘sitting on a wall’ ?

Is this where innocence fraud enabler Sandra Lean got this myth from ?
Who wants to take on this great massive lie?” Writer Martin Preib on the tsunami of innocence fraud sweeping our nation

Offline Nicholas

Re: What's Significant About LM Finding J J?
« Reply #220 on: February 17, 2023, 04:58:46 AM »
Walsh and Fleming

Lorraine Fleming described killer Luke Mitchell’s hair like Liam Gallagher’s

Mark Kane never had a Liam Gallagher hair style - nor did any of the other youths

In a statement, she likened the youth to a newspaper photo she had seen of Oasis singer Mr Gallagher, pointing out their similar hairstyles.

What date was this statement made and what exactly did the police note down when Lorraine Fleming first made contact them?

In court, Mrs Fleming was shown a newspaper report of Jodi's boyfriend being questioned by police, accompanied by his photograph.
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Offline faithlilly

Re: What's Significant About LM Finding J J?
« Reply #221 on: February 17, 2023, 09:39:06 AM »
Rosemary Walsh and Lorraine Fleming’s evidence was supported by Andrew Holburn, Dean Houston and Grant Elliot ‘s

https://www.thefreelibrary.com/THE+JODI+JONES+TRIAL%3A+A+strangling+sort+of+sound%2Ca+human.+It+sounded...-a0125808235

Luke has never denied that he was on the Newbattle road at the time Walsh and Fleming allegedly spotted him. He did however deny that he walked as far down the road as the witnesses claimed and was not wearing a parka. Both these claims were verified by Holborn, Houston and Dean.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Nicholas

Re: What's Significant About LM Finding J J?
« Reply #222 on: February 17, 2023, 09:47:19 AM »
Luke

Who was Holly?

👇
Who was ‘Holly’?

Corinne Mitchell - 27th June 2010
Holly will have to wait until tomorrow. I'm off home now so won't have access to this until then.
I feel I really should warn you though........what you hear from me.....you may not like.

Who wants to take on this great massive lie?” Writer Martin Preib on the tsunami of innocence fraud sweeping our nation

Offline faithlilly

Re: What's Significant About LM Finding J J?
« Reply #223 on: February 17, 2023, 09:48:14 AM »
Lorraine Fleming 👇

’She told the court:'I said to Rosemary, 'He looks like he's up to no good'. It was just the way he was standing. It just didn't look right at all.

'Just as we got closer to him, he flicked his hair back off his face.It wasa young boy and I thought aged about17.

'He was dressed all in dark clothing and his jacket was a dark green colour.'

The next day, after learning of the murder,Rosemary phoned her and said: 'I think we should get in touch with the police. It may not mean anything to us but it might mean something to them.'


Miss Fleming was interviewed by officers. Then, in August, she saw a picture of Mitchell in the Record. The photo reminded her of the boy she had seen and she called police to tell them.

She told advocate depute Alan Turnbull QC that, at that time, she didn't know Mitchell or any of his family.

He then read her police statement which said: 'I do recall that the article named the boy as Luke something but the important thing is I recognised the boy as the person I had seen standing at the gate.'

Mr Turnbull asked, as nearly 18 months had passed, would she be able to recognise the same person again. 


Lorraine Fleming.

“ She agreed with Donald Findlay QC, defending, that Mitchell hadn't done anything to try to hide himself.

Miss Fleming broke down in tears as he quizzed her about newspaper photos she claimed to have remembered.

She told police that the Record's August 15 picture last year 'showed more of his face and eyes' than a photo she had seen earlier and had reminded her of the youth on Newbattle Road.

Findlay then said a search of Scottish newspapers had revealed no published picture of Mitchell before August 15.

She sobbed: 'You are just confusing me. All I can do is tell you what I saw and that is what I am doing.'

Mr Findlay continued: 'What it does demonstrate is that people, however genuine, however honest, can sometimes make mistakes which can have very serious consequences.'

Miss Fleming replied: 'Yes”

And

“ But Mr Findlay said, despite their good intentions, the witnesses' evidence was confused and he questioned what value it had.
He told the court: "Lorraine Fleming and Rosemary Walsh were undoubtedly two ladies who came to give evidence, to do their best.
"But the reality was, in my submission, that by the end of this chapter of evidence, the evidence given by them was reduced to something akin to the chaotic.
"The most charitable thing that might be said about this area of evidence was that by the end of it, it was quite simply all over the place.”
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline faithlilly

Re: What's Significant About LM Finding J J?
« Reply #224 on: February 17, 2023, 09:51:10 AM »
Were Rosemary Walsh and Lorraine Fleming shown a photograph of killer Luke Mitchell when they first contacted the police on the 1st July 2003

Just as we got closer to him, he flicked his hair back off his face.It was a young boy and I thought aged about 17.

'He was dressed all in dark clothing and his jacket was a dark green colour.'

The next day, after learning of the murder, Rosemary phoned her and said: 'I think we should get in touch with the police. It may not mean anything to us but it might mean something to them.'

Miss Fleming was interviewed by officers.
Then, in August, she saw a picture of Mitchell in the Record. The photo reminded her of the boy she had seen and she called police to tell them.

She told advocate depute Alan Turnbull QC that, at that time, she didn't know Mitchell or any of his family.


They saw a man somewhere on the Newbattle road. That’s it.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?