Does Wolters have photographic evidence?

[Anthro]

I am a great believer that members should provide cites whether asked for or not (and I am usually roundly derided for doing so).  But not all cites are accurate. 
For example "the bloody footprint" in the McCann apartment springs to mind ~

"Blood

There is also the evidence of a "partial footwear mark" found just outside Madeleine's bedroom which had traces of blood in it visible to the naked eye, according to a forensics report.

Laboratory tests in Birmingham were inconclusive but found there was a "moderate" chance the blood was the youngster's. There were also specks of blood said to be on the walls of the bedroom, but forensic results have been inconclusive." https://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/Nigel/id21.htm

Which is of course absolute nonsense while being a valid cite.

As far as the evidence Wolter's has regarding Brueckner's association with Madeleine's case which seems to have prompted him to believe that Brueckner is guilty of murdering her ... it had to come from somewhere.

As far as is known, while searching for evidence regarding Inge's disappearance some of Brueckner's pornographic collection was uncovered.

We know nothing was found to connect this material with Inge.  But there is a supposition that some of it may relate to Madeleine and I believe there has been a bit of internet discussion to that effect ~ which I would have supposed anyone with interest in the case might be up to speed with.

That Wolter's information may spring from the source indicated in Anthro's post is a fair notion I think.  Particularly as I am sure we may have already discussed it on the forum.

But one thing for certain sure is that "the bloody shoe" cite from Pamalam is so outdated it has spiders webs hanging from it but no accompanying health warning as to its inaccuracy ~ Anthro is dealing with current information which is generally 100% accurate.
Which generally beats the circa 2007 info still in vogue for some - it isn't often that Anthro slips up but I'm sure she will rest easy now in the full knowledge that she has a fan club dedicated to keeping her on her toes - I know I take the greatest solace from having the same one myself 😁

Thank you Brietta, for giving context to my claim. I have previously been labelled as ‘misleading the Forum’ but will now be even more on the ‘qui vive’.😇 This reference may (not) apply: “The development came after police found a potential link between McCann's disappearance and that of a five-year-old girl named Inga in Germany in 2015”. https://www.9news.com.au/world/madeleine-mccann-suspect-evidence-german-prosecutor-interview-missing-toddler-cold-case/b0e8f550-292e-4e00-9b63-b76442926dbe

[jassi]

I don't have to square it.  Until they find a body or get a confession I am not going to believe Madeleine is dead.
And possibly not even then.

So if Brueckner  confessed to killing her, you wouldn't believe him - is that right ?

[Eleanor]

So if Brueckner  confessed to killing her, you wouldn't believe him - is that right ?

I might not.  It depends on the circumstances.  Although unlike The PJ I don't think it's likely that suspects get beaten up.

[G-Unit]

I am a great believer that members should provide cites whether asked for or not (and I am usually roundly derided for doing so).  But not all cites are accurate. 
For example "the bloody footprint" in the McCann apartment springs to mind ~

"Blood

There is also the evidence of a "partial footwear mark" found just outside Madeleine's bedroom which had traces of blood in it visible to the naked eye, according to a forensics report.

Laboratory tests in Birmingham were inconclusive but found there was a "moderate" chance the blood was the youngster's. There were also specks of blood said to be on the walls of the bedroom, but forensic results have been inconclusive." https://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/Nigel/id21.htm

Which is of course absolute nonsense while being a valid cite.

As far as the evidence Wolter's has regarding Brueckner's association with Madeleine's case which seems to have prompted him to believe that Brueckner is guilty of murdering her ... it had to come from somewhere.

As far as is known, while searching for evidence regarding Inge's disappearance some of Brueckner's pornographic collection was uncovered.

We know nothing was found to connect this material with Inge.  But there is a supposition that some of it may relate to Madeleine and I believe there has been a bit of internet discussion to that effect ~ which I would have supposed anyone with interest in the case might be up to speed with.

That Wolter's information may spring from the source indicated in Anthro's post is a fair notion I think.  Particularly as I am sure we may have already discussed it on the forum.

But one thing for certain sure is that "the bloody shoe" cite from Pamalam is so outdated it has spiders webs hanging from it but no accompanying health warning as to its inaccuracy ~ Anthro is dealing with current information which is generally 100% accurate.
Which generally beats the circa 2007 info still in vogue for some - it isn't often that Anthro slips up but I'm sure she will rest easy now in the full knowledge that she has a fan club dedicated to keeping her on her toes - I know I take the greatest solace from having the same one myself 😁

If someone claims to be possession of a well known fact then a cite is mandatory imo. Without a cite a claim becomes a rumour or speculation. So far this 'well known fact' appears to be neither well known nor factual.

[Eleanor]

I've just had a thought.  Supposing Brueckner is afraid that the Ring Leaders might kill him if he lets on.  If so then he won't tell Wolters anything.  Photo or no photo.

[Anthro]

If someone claims to be possession of a well known fact then a cite is mandatory imo. Without a cite a claim becomes a rumour or speculation. So far this 'well known fact' appears to be neither well known nor factual.

I am not in ‘possession’ of a well known fact. During the past year, there have been numerous discussions on how Mr Wolters and the BKA became aware of Brückner’s involvement in Madeleine’s disappearance. I suggest that while they were looking into the disappearance of Inga Gehricke, they stumbled upon something related to Madeleine. This is my personal view and opinion. Please forgive me for stating something as fact and being unable to provide a credible cite. Kindly moderate my non-factual and not well known contribution to the Forum.

[Anthro]

You wrote "Wolters also confirmed that he made a connection between Madeleine and Brückner when they searched the abandoned factory in Germany for any clues re. Inga Gehricke."

When asked for a cite you gave this link;
http://sandhillsexpress.com/cbs_national/do-usb-drives-hold-clues-to-what-happened-to-madeleine-mccann-cbside2d701a1/

It didn't seem to contain the information you suggested though, which is why I responded with my comment.

You later claimed that "It is a well known fact that German officials discovered something related to Madeleine during their search of Inga at the abandoned factory owned by Brückner."

Where did you get the idea that this is a well known fact? You really need to provide a cite now confirming your claim imo.

From different platforms re. Madeleine’s disappearance.

[Anthro]

I have decided that I think Brueckner was employed by someone else to abduct Madeleine and then to pass her on.  And possibly Joanna Cipriano as well.  Nothing much different from my original Theory, excepting that I didn't have anyone in particular in mind as The Abductor.

If in fact it was Brueckner then he might have been required to take a photo of Madeleine, before, during or after the abduction to confirm that he had the right child.  Wolters might have found this.

Also, Brückner has no record of murder and his friends believe he took Madeleine and sold her. The Belgian communication that was intercepted a couple of days before Madeleine’s disappearance may also be significant.

[G-Unit]

From different platforms re. Madeleine’s disappearance.

A rumour repeated on various platforms may become accepted as a fact, but is actually nothing of the kind.

“Repeat a lie often enough and it becomes the truth”, is a law of propaganda often attributed to the Nazi Joseph Goebbels. Among psychologists something like this known as the "illusion of truth" effect.
https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20161026-how-liars-create-the-illusion-of-truth

[Vertigo Swirl]

A rumour repeated on various platforms may become accepted as a fact, but is actually nothing of the kind.

“Repeat a lie often enough and it becomes the truth”, is a law of propaganda often attributed to the Nazi Joseph Goebbels. Among psychologists something like this known as the "illusion of truth" effect.
https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20161026-how-liars-create-the-illusion-of-truth

you seem to be suggesting that Anthro is deliberately lying and using Nazi propaganda to mislead when she has already stated that she was expressing her opinion.  A bit OTT isn’t it?  That’s a question btw.

[G-Unit]

you seem to be suggesting that Anthro is deliberately lying and using Nazi propaganda to mislead when she has already stated that she was expressing her opinion.  A bit OTT isn’t it?  That’s a question btw.

Not at all. I think Anthro assumed she was sharing a well known fact, but she wasn't, she was being misled imo.

[Brietta]

Not at all. I think Anthro assumed she was sharing a well known fact, but she wasn't, she was being misled imo.

Seems there are quite a few who have been "misled" by this particular pattern and I may be one of them, because the I find the sequence of events compelling in their logic.

2017 seems to have been the year when Christian Brueckner became a person of interest for SY and the BKA.  We do know that the BKA had photographic evidence connected to Brueckner so we can surmise everyone was working away diligently and silently ("The Metropolitan Police seem to have been quietly working on this behind the scenes for some time and to me that is welcome.
"Hopefully we will see that persistence can pay off https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/former-police-chief-always-suspected-22136267) gathering evidence in the hope finding enough to progress Madeleine's case.   

Nobody knew what they were at.

Then a huge big wrecking ball smashed their cover;  Goncalo Amaral brazenly told all to an Australian podcast.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8387585/Did-Portuguese-police-let-Madeleine-McCanns-abductor-escape-justice.html


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Police investigated Brueckner for weeks in 2016 over Inga's disappearance, which was compared to Maddie's
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More than 100 officers descended on the old box factory in February 2016, digging holes looking for Inga's body.

The little girl wasn't found but Brueckner's USB stash of child sex abuse images was found on a USB stick hidden under 'animal bones' with police now set to return, according to German tabloid Bild.
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The Daily Mail can reveal that Brueckner emerged as a 'person of interest' for British police early on in a major Scotland Yard review of the case that started in 2011.
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Last night, a source said that Brueckner's name cropped up after Met detectives began probing the case but there was no firm evidence then linking him to Madeleine's disappearance.

'He was an itinerant whose exact whereabouts on the night could not be established,' the source added. 'This is why he was not treated as a suspect at that stage.' It was only in 2017 that Brueckner emerged as a potential key suspect, after German police were tipped off about his possible involvement.

According to German law enforcement officials, Brueckner lived almost permanently in the Algarve between 1995 and 2007.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8391315/Police-link-jailed-paedophile-abduction-girl-aged-five-2015.html

[barrier]

I am not in ‘possession’ of a well known fact. During the past year, there have been numerous discussions on how Mr Wolters and the BKA became aware of Brückner’s involvement in Madeleine’s disappearance. I suggest that while they were looking into the disappearance of Inga Gehricke, they stumbled upon something related to Madeleine. This is my personal view and opinion. Please forgive me for stating something as fact and being unable to provide a credible cite. Kindly moderate my non-factual and not well known contribution to the Forum.

Supposed involvement, he's not even been questioned yet, the legend has been writ alright.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Not at all. I think Anthro assumed she was sharing a well known fact, but she wasn't, she was being misled imo.

You mean she was deliberately being lied to?  By whom and to what end? What was this deliberate Nazi-like propaganda lie?

[G-Unit]

You mean she was deliberately being lied to?  By whom and to what end? What was this deliberate Nazi-like propaganda lie?

It sounds like it was speculation which was repeated on various platforms enough times to be seen as 'a well known fact'. It wasn't propaganda, it wasn't deliberate, it was just an example of how a non-fact can become seen as a fact through repetition, which propagandists use. Another prime example imo is how a disappearance became an abduction.