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Offline Brietta

Re: Does Wolters have photographic evidence?
« Reply #525 on: May 26, 2021, 06:18:36 PM »
I am guessing that you are including me in this cabal of sceptics, do you believe I have my head in the sand?

I answered your post.  Did I make any reference to you in my reply.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Icanhandlethetruth

Re: Does Wolters have photographic evidence?
« Reply #526 on: May 26, 2021, 06:24:46 PM »
I answered your post.  Did I make any reference to you in my reply.

But you posted

"The myth is that ostriches bury their heads in the sand - it is no myth that sceptics actually do."

So I was wondering if you considered me to be a sceptic and if so it follows that you believe I bury my head in the sand, n'est-ce pas?


Offline Mr Gray

Re: Does Wolters have photographic evidence?
« Reply #527 on: May 26, 2021, 07:18:31 PM »
But I haven't written him off, I am waiting to hear him present his evidence. Not soundbites, but evidence.
Nothing so far has convinced me he has any tangible evidence but he may well have, we will see in the fullness of time.
Quick question, how long do you give HCW?, 1 more year, 5 years, 20 years?

I don't see that he would make the statements he has re CB unless he had significant evidence...jes been quite straightforward and hasn't contradicted himself. How long will I give him.. That's an impossible question to answer. What I think is that he will at some stage in the next 6 months have to share his evidence with SY... Having said that he may share it soon. The interesting point will be whether SY continue to work closely with the Germans. If they do it suggests they accept CB as a suspect

Offline Brietta

Re: Does Wolters have photographic evidence?
« Reply #528 on: May 26, 2021, 08:05:02 PM »
But you posted

"The myth is that ostriches bury their heads in the sand - it is no myth that sceptics actually do."

So I was wondering if you considered me to be a sceptic and if so it follows that you believe I bury my head in the sand, n'est-ce pas?

You took that personally?  Hmm ... interesting.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Brietta

Re: Does Wolters have photographic evidence?
« Reply #529 on: May 26, 2021, 08:13:47 PM »
I don't see that he would make the statements he has re CB unless he had significant evidence...jes been quite straightforward and hasn't contradicted himself. How long will I give him.. That's an impossible question to answer. What I think is that he will at some stage in the next 6 months have to share his evidence with SY... Having said that he may share it soon. The interesting point will be whether SY continue to work closely with the Germans. If they do it suggests they accept CB as a suspect

I don't think there would be much if any disagreement between any of the investigators about Brueckner being an appropriate guy to investigate further.

Even Amaral thinks Brueckner is the perfect suspect apart from not being dead 😁 but I don't think he is too keen for the Germans to continue investigating him though if his antics are anything to go by.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Does Wolters have photographic evidence?
« Reply #530 on: May 26, 2021, 11:01:19 PM »
But I haven't written him off, I am waiting to hear him present his evidence. Not soundbites, but evidence.
Nothing so far has convinced me he has any tangible evidence but he may well have, we will see in the fullness of time.
Quick question, how long do you give HCW?, 1 more year, 5 years, 20 years?
As long as it takes.
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline Carana

Re: Does Wolters have photographic evidence?
« Reply #531 on: May 27, 2021, 07:20:12 AM »
I see no reason why Wolters should give the public a running commentary on any new pieces of the jigsaw, unless there is a reason to divulge something within the context of a public appeal.

AFAIK, Brückner hasn't been formally questioned yet, but when (if) that happens, it may well be a turning point. I expect that the first time whatever new or future evidence comes to light publicly would be at his trial, if he is ever charged.

Offline Carana

Re: Does Wolters have photographic evidence?
« Reply #532 on: May 27, 2021, 07:23:38 AM »
I don't think there would be much if any disagreement between any of the investigators about Brueckner being an appropriate guy to investigate further.

Even Amaral thinks Brueckner is the perfect suspect apart from not being dead 😁 but I don't think he is too keen for the Germans to continue investigating him though if his antics are anything to go by.

I could speculate on a few reasons why...

Offline The General

Re: Does Wolters have photographic evidence?
« Reply #533 on: May 27, 2021, 07:52:35 AM »
The myth is that ostriches bury their heads in the sand - it is no myth that sceptics actually do.
             Absolutely correct that lifting a huge egg and running with it wouldn't help the reproduction process - glad you set the record straight on that very important issue 🤓 but it goes nowhere near scratching the surface of the quandary that sceptics have trapped themselves in as they continue their unfavourable assessment of Wolters v eulogising the expertise of Amaral and his botched investigation.

Much of the evidence 'discovered' by Redwood and later reinforced by Wolters was there in 2007 if Amaral et al had bothered looking beyond their navels and the McCann phone records to see it.

Why I wonder is there such sceptic resistance to the fact that Wolters might have the evidence which will crack this crime.  One could be forgiven for thinking they don't want it solved ~ certainly 'dreadlocks man' Amaral seems to be cheerleading that camp.
Is that your profile pic?
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Offline The General

Re: Does Wolters have photographic evidence?
« Reply #534 on: May 27, 2021, 08:04:00 AM »
I don't see that he would make the statements he has re CB unless he had significant evidence...jes been quite straightforward and hasn't contradicted himself. How long will I give him.. That's an impossible question to answer. What I think is that he will at some stage in the next 6 months have to share his evidence with SY... Having said that he may share it soon. The interesting point will be whether SY continue to work closely with the Germans. If they do it suggests they accept CB as a suspect
Dav, he's got pics of a dead girl that may or may not be MM. There, I said it. Clearly there's no way to 'prove' a link to CB, but that's the focus of his attention. The plea for the phone caller to come forward would place him at the scene, rather than 'maybe in the vicinity'.
The fact that the photos exist mean that the person took them for later use, probably as insurance. But even the most paranoid, expert investigation force in western Europe with all of their resources still can't garner anything useful to pin the deed on CB. They would have analysed them every which way to next Wednesday, including checking exif, tampering, photoshop editing, etc. They would analyse every minute detail of the background of each. Yet still nowhere near charging CB. I'll also wager they've been back and to to the prosecutor.
Did he do it? Who knows. Who was he talking to that night? Why use his own phone? Why are SY hedging their bets and continuing the 'search'?
What I will say is, I've been in Germany for several weeks recently (trapped due to COVID). This story is not of interest to them, I can assure you of that.
Subject Matter Expert - Hobos.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Does Wolters have photographic evidence?
« Reply #535 on: May 27, 2021, 08:36:17 AM »
Dav, he's got pics of a dead girl that may or may not be MM. There, I said it. Clearly there's no way to 'prove' a link to CB, but that's the focus of his attention. The plea for the phone caller to come forward would place him at the scene, rather than 'maybe in the vicinity'.
The fact that the photos exist mean that the person took them for later use, probably as insurance. But even the most paranoid, expert investigation force in western Europe with all of their resources still can't garner anything useful to pin the deed on CB. They would have analysed them every which way to next Wednesday, including checking exif, tampering, photoshop editing, etc. They would analyse every minute detail of the background of each. Yet still nowhere near charging CB. I'll also wager they've been back and to to the prosecutor.
Did he do it? Who knows. Who was he talking to that night? Why use his own phone? Why are SY hedging their bets and continuing the 'search'?
What I will say is, I've been in Germany for several weeks recently (trapped due to COVID). This story is not of interest to them, I can assure you of that.

You seem to be coming round to my way of thinking...
Except... I think if he has a photo it's clearly MM
I think there does exist a link but not strong enough for court.
He may well have more circumstantial and has asked people for descriptions of the interior of places CB has frequented which would support the existence of a photo
I think SY are totally on board and the missing person statement is Semantics

Offline The General

Re: Does Wolters have photographic evidence?
« Reply #536 on: May 27, 2021, 08:46:51 AM »
You seem to be coming round to my way of thinking...
Except... I think if he has a photo it's clearly MM
I think there does exist a link but not strong enough for court.
He may well have more circumstantial and has asked people for descriptions of the interior of places CB has frequented which would support the existence of a photo
I think SY are totally on board and the missing person statement is Semantics
Even a tenuous link would probably be sufficient for them to grill him. Yes, I know they'd be playing their hand, but I'm sure CB and his legal team can join the dots just as we have, so that reason for not arresting doesn't wash with me.
These photos cannot be definitive. They may be definitive in terms of an ID of MM, although I doubt that, but there's no way to put CB in the scene.
I'm no crime expert, or indeed expert in anything (using the Gladwell '10,000 hours' definition), but if there are photos and there's a suspect but no link, this must be unique when the circumstances are factored in.

At some point in this drawn out circus HCW will have to give it up. This link will only ever come from CB himself; that much is now clear, a year on from the initial proclamation.
It's the essence of Catch 22 as Heller described it - there's not enough evidence to arrest CB according to the prosecutor, so they can't interview him. But even if they interview him and show their hand, now that he is pretty certain that they don't have enough to charge him, he just has to sit there and say nothing. So HCW knows this is how it plays out, so he has to keep looking for this corroboration that he has failed to find in at least a year (potentially 3).
Subject Matter Expert - Hobos.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Does Wolters have photographic evidence?
« Reply #537 on: May 27, 2021, 09:11:11 AM »
Even a tenuous link would probably be sufficient for them to grill him. Yes, I know they'd be playing their hand, but I'm sure CB and his legal team can join the dots just as we have, so that reason for not arresting doesn't wash with me.
These photos cannot be definitive. They may be definitive in terms of an ID of MM, although I doubt that, but there's no way to put CB in the scene.
I'm no crime expert, or indeed expert in anything (using the Gladwell '10,000 hours' definition), but if there are photos and there's a suspect but no link, this must be unique when the circumstances are factored in.

At some point in this drawn out circus HCW will have to give it up. This link will only ever come from CB himself; that much is now clear, a year on from the initial proclamation.
It's the essence of Catch 22 as Heller described it - there's not enough evidence to arrest CB according to the prosecutor, so they can't interview him. But even if they interview him and show their hand, now that he is pretty certain that they don't have enough to charge him, he just has to sit there and say nothing. So HCW knows this is how it plays out, so he has to keep looking for this corroboration that he has failed to find in at least a year (potentially 3).

You are definitely coming round to my way of thinking... Almost proof of death... But not a strong enough link to CB. No point in interviewing him.. He won't say a word.
My other thought is.. Perhaps HCW thinks he might be able to find the body..

Interesting times ahead

Offline Brietta

Re: Does Wolters have photographic evidence?
« Reply #538 on: May 27, 2021, 10:13:44 AM »
Is that your profile pic?

I'm not as good looking as that.  Going to the hairdresser tomorrow to get hid of the lockdown locks, so that will help 😉
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Anthro

Re: Does Wolters have photographic evidence?
« Reply #539 on: May 27, 2021, 11:01:31 AM »
I see no reason why Wolters should give the public a running commentary on any new pieces of the jigsaw, unless there is a reason to divulge something within the context of a public appeal.

AFAIK, Brückner hasn't been formally questioned yet, but when (if) that happens, it may well be a turning point. I expect that the first time whatever new or future evidence comes to light publicly would be at his trial, if he is ever charged.
I agree, Carana.