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Offline Nicholas

there is just far too many things that don't add up

There often are in cases where the killer doesn’t confess and disclose what he did and didn’t do
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Offline Nicholas

and questions needing answered

It’s highly probable Luke Mitchell will take his secrets to his grave therefore many of your questions may never be answered
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Offline Nicholas

I DO NOT think it has been proved beyond reasonable doubt.

It was proved - following a 42 day trial - Luke Mitchell murdered [Name removed]

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Offline Nicholas

As for Corinne going to a visit with a crop top on so what she can wear what she wants.

She can indeed wear what she wants

However have you explored how her behaviour may have affected Luke Mitchell growing up and where his sexual deviancy may have come from?

Behavioral explanations propose that paraphilias are conditioned early in life, during an experience that pairs the paraphilic stimulus with intense sexual arousal
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paraphilia

He was having sexual intercourse with several girls from a young age - therefore was sexually promiscuous

Luke Mitchell fitted the criminal profile more than any other possible suspect in this case and Sandra Lean has chosen to not explore this - publicly at least

It is something her and I touched on however back in 2014
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Offline Nicholas

Interesting* that phone logs exist for earlier in the day, but texts/calls slightly later were deleted - should we file that under foresight?

There was definitely ‘foresight’ and planning involved in Luke Mitchell’s crimes

And him choosing to buy and watch the Marilyn Manson DVD just two days after he killed [Name removed] gives some insight into his mindset - and he may well have been reliving what he had done
« Last Edit: May 30, 2021, 02:03:52 PM by Nicholas »
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Offline Nicholas

If Stocky Man is merely a distraction, why does Dr Lean keep mentioning him, allegedly following Jodi?

It’s all part of her game playing

And I find it telling for so many reasons
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Offline Nicholas

The claim that this moped/bike was viewed from The Beeches? That's some superhuman eyesight right there!

It’s utter nonsense but helps her distract her followers
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Offline Nicholas

The way CM and LM  were dressed at Jodi's grave was distasteful and disrespectful - the fact that they were there at all is questionable.

It’s highly questionable and gives an insight into their behaviours
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Offline Nicholas


I wonder if Dr Lean's recent recruits know about LM having knives at other girls throats, etc?

I wonder if the psychologists and psychiatrists who access Luke Mitchell are aware of all these allegations by various girls

If they are not they should be
« Last Edit: May 30, 2021, 04:39:08 PM by Nicholas »
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Offline Nicholas

Seems Jodi had ‘foresight’ too.

What was the point of Luke deleting incriminating texts when he knew there was a copy which might not have been deleted on Judith’s phone?

Luke Mitchell would have told [Name removed] to delete them and she would have done what he told her

He wasn’t too young to kill and he wasn’t too young to use coercive control
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Offline Rusty

Hi first time posting. I think this case needs an independent review there is just far too many things that don't add up and questions needing answered. I DO NOT think it has been proved beyond reasonable doubt. As for Corinne going to a visit with a crop top on so what she can wear what she wants.

How much will a independent review cost and who is going to pay for it?
Who is going to conduct this independent review?
What exactly will a independent review uncover that previous review have not?

Many of YOUR unanswered questions, may be answered. If you asked Lean to release the report she got from the SCCRC. But I suspect Lean releasing information that goes against what she is presenting to the public, is like finding gold in your back garden.

You could always write to Luke, in the segregation unit at Shotts and ask him, why he did it.

Offline JaneO

As far as I know Luke isn't on protection he's in general prison population

Offline Parky41

Seems Jodi had ‘foresight’ too.

What was the point of Luke deleting incriminating texts when he knew there was a copy which might not have been deleted on Judith’s phone?

Very much the point is it not? - Of him phoning the Jones landline. As he knew for sure there was only one place her parents were expecting her to be going. To see him. You are completely missing the fact that he knew exactly what was in those messages. - the privacy of them, that almost non existent chance of Jodi not deleting them prior to giving her mother her phone back. But he could never count on that totally, nor of being able to be retrieved. So he had to have this different tale. Of the meet to be in Newbattle. Which he claimed was to be after dinner, after leaving home at 5.45pm for this after dinner meeting - around 6pm. This is the story he first told. - with that added proviso of course - this tangled mess of claiming - there was no fixed plans as such - of claiming to tell his mother, that if Jodi turned up - he would be in the abbey, that she would know where? He did not know that Jodi had said to her mother, that they would be "mucking around up here". He needed to delete those texts - and Jodi did also due to their privacy.

Of this constant talk of putting LM down to being some masterminded murderer - well he was not, this is why he is in jail serving life for Jodi's murder. He flew into a rage and murdered her. Everything that happened after that point was never going to be easy. Disposal yes. That perfect cover - no chance. Those wheels firmly in motion. Jodi had left to meet with him and only him. At the time he knew. Thus why one had to have this time firmly at home, from his mothers arrival at 5.05pm. To cancel out AB's sighting. To not being on Newbattle Road untl 5.45pm and just after - to cancel out F&W's sighting. We can enter the simple realm of that call, to set alibi in place - but we know he was still towering over what he had done at 5.32pm - so we can also enter into the depravity of his mindset here. And of the call to connect at 5.38pm. 6 mins making sure he spoke to someone - whilst still at the scene. The fleeing and been caught by F&W at the gate at 17.42pm. Who else was around this path at those times of the calls? - where he was sure no one was going to be able to hear him speak? Did he hear other people? - We know the duo were back home by 5.30pm. No chance of escaping until they were well gone? Was LM waiting until he heard that noisy bike away altogether? Making sure that call was short and sweet, of no noise in the background of simply "cool, bye"

But he was seen. And he had not left his house around 5.45pm, his mother had not gotten home around 5.05pm. And they did bring SM into the mix with the exact same story of her arriving home at 5.05pm - All lies, LM was not at home, And every single part of those first stories were rammed into less than 15mins. And he did appear back on this road again, with a different jacket on - at a point in the road, he claimed not to go as far as? Which was pretty much the same area that he had disappeared from - around the gate of the F&W sighting. And he had only hung around enough for approx 20mins - until LM was not seen again, until with the boys in the Abbey ar 7.30pm.

And the above are only some of what lay behind all of this. - Of the ban on this path. Of his claimed non worry about his girlfriend not arriving at the other end of this isolated path. Of this initial short time he gave - expanding to nearly two hours. - Due to those very calls. Because he then claimed to make them well away from this path - at the entrance of the estate. Which showed the lies in the story of being at home. For he then had to have left around 5.30pm - for a meeting at 6pm? To then claim he had phoned the Jones landline - to claim that he asked AO "is Jodi on her way?"  for 6pm?  - to claim he was told she had only just left? Rather than what AO did say "of already left to meet with him". Those holes just got bigger and the shoring over even more extraordinary.

This mastermind we are told - who left no dna at the scene - who had already had many thoughts on the best way to kill someone. Carried this out. He could not have, ever banked on the police being the police though - Or of that clear other evidence coming through - He just kept on tripping himself up, heaping that suspicion upon himself - not in a million years was LM framed. There was absolutely no way - that he could be eliminated. And that naivety of his non arrest, of believing he had gotten away with it. Carries on with those campaigning for innocence - that the evidence was so weak they had to wait 10 months for that final arrest. Exactly how LM thought, until just after those celebrations of getting that tattoo, when CM said to staff "we are celebrating" - and the only knocking to be had on anyone's door - was LM's in the early hours of that morning in April 2004 when he was last to see freedom. He was simply not arrested on the basis of this being a circumstantial case - that due to no incriminating DNA - that arrest could not be made imminently. That naivety again, of believing that DNA was everything - it simply was not. For whilst there was none incriminating LM - there was none of a stranger murder either.

Offline Rusty

As far as I know Luke isn't on protection he's in general prison population

So what your trying to tell me, that one of Scotlands most high profile prisoners, that committed one of the most despicable crimes in recent history, that gets more public attention, than anyone else in Shotts, is mixing with the general population in prison?
Are you going to address the other points I made?
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Offline Parky41

Hi first time posting. I think this case needs an independent review there is just far too many things that don't add up and questions needing answered. I DO NOT think it has been proved beyond reasonable doubt. As for Corinne going to a visit with a crop top on so what she can wear what she wants.

Hi Jane - welcome. What questions do you have? Can I ask are they based on Ms Lean? Of the book and documentary?  That sound very demanding, don't mean for it to be. Just curious?