The less talked about sighting on Newbattle Road by M O'Sullivan & D Hamilton...

[Parky41]

We will have to agree to disagree - Ample time IMO for the first immediate change. No massive clean up required.  An assumption made perhaps only on the basis of him being soaked in blood. I see no evidence that he had to be at all. He was wearing this parka, long and with a hood. Which was down for the sighting by F&W. There is a huge difference between splatter, and some transfer to being covered. This would have come after his disappearance again from sight. He initially had to be seen, to be seen waiting for Jodi.

Lots of options and of different intervals of time - easily left the jacket in the woodland prior to going home for the other jacket and of changing trousers and shoes. Ample time to retrieve the jacket to dispose of properly.

[faithlilly]

And what exactly have i said that is so different --- around 6pm. And it was timed at around 10-15mins later on the return. Of what I have always said. These sightings in and around 15-20mins from them all. Lots of sightings yet no others for the remainder of that claimed remarkable time out and about?

Did you read my quote?

As early as 5.55 and 20-30 minutes later not 15 to 20.

[Parky41]

Did you read my quote?

As early as 5.55 and 20-30 minutes later not 15 to 20.

I'm not sure there is much to trust in your take on anything. - Of course you will naturally want to expand that to the max time. And not of the timings determined for cycling back and forth - Does not matter if if took them until  after 6.15pm. The point being discussed was LM's time from the F&W sighting, and yes we know - that first estimate was from 5.40-6pm. We know everything was shoe horned in and we know there was no evidence whatsoever to bring LM to trial. What I also know is you made me choke on my coffee - when you stated you vaguely remembered a Gordo.

It was actually a mixture, I had a little chuckle also at omitting the quote. I'm not really sure who you were meaning when you claimed Judith said Jodi never walked the RDP alone? to whom? Or of when and in what context, in fact of her actually using those actual words at all. We know she had forbade her daughter to walk this path. We know that JaJ's was mixed up about paths. And we are in no doubt that Jodi had obviously, at some point been using this path alone. So when did Judith Jones state "Jodi never walked the Roan's Dyke Path alone?"- we know you already had JaJ as being 9 when she moved to Easthouses, making claim that she could not have failed to know of this path. Then to 14 to then just actually staying there for around a year - and still you state, she must have known of this path? - determined to prove her to be a liar - consistently scraping away to bring up even one direct lie - to combat the abundance of lies from the Mitchells? - for this need to show some form of double standards, as to why one family was treated differently to the other - because one family just kept on lying. -They are not the same in any way. And you are doing a bloody miserable job of explaining the Mitchells lies - whilst scraping to find lies from this girls family? Jodi's family are not responsible for LM lying, nor for him murdering Jodi.

So can you explain how you jump to the conclusion and slight on Jodi's mother, that "so not quiet as honest as you'd have us believe" - As above, we know she had placed a ban and so forth. You have already asked me to read her statements? care to show us them? for us to do so. Where Jodi's mother was lying? - you want to make this family the same as the Mitchells - so show us how they were? Show us where she was lying? Show us that she was stating Jodi never walked the RDP alone? And of Rachel Jodi's friend - are you saying Jodi lied to her? That she told Rachel of this ban, was Jodi making it up? O perhaps the police put it in her head? Or the press? Or anyone other than it actually being the truth of course - for by your reckoning, the only honest people in any of this is the Mitchells - but then your memory is not so good, is it?

Judith said Jodi never walked the Roan’s Dyke path alone, Janine, under oath, testified that her motherknew fine well that she did. When DF asked her if she was sure she simply answered ‘yes’....so not quiet as honest as you’d have us believe. As an aside did Judith never ask the three searchers why they were searching the path as Jodi wasn’t allowed to walk there alone?

[faithlilly]

I'm not sure there is much to trust in your take on anything.

Not to worry I provided a link to the court testimony of the cyclists so there was no doubt.


And not of the timings determined for cycling back and forth -

According to maps on my iPad Newbattle College to Jewell and Esk Valley college would take around 14 minutes each way in a car....no timings are given for cyclists....but I’m not sure how accurate that is. Perhaps someone local can verify it ?

Does not matter if if took them until  after 6.15pm.

It does matter or you wouldn’t keep misrepresenting what the witness said.

The point being discussed was LM's time from the F&W sighting, and yes we know - that first estimate was from 5.40-6pm. We know everything was shoe horned in and we know there was no evidence whatsoever to bring LM to trial. What I also know is you made me choke on my coffee - when you stated you vaguely remembered a Gordo.

If LF and RW saw the youth at 5.45pm as stated in the appeal papers and the cyclists saw Luke at 5.55pm that gives Luke just ten minutes to get home, get washed, get dressed, confess to his mum that he’d committed a murder and be back on the Newbattle Road near Barondale cottages in 10 minutes without any sign that he was flustered. I think it’s also worth remembering that the youth LF saw didn’t seem in a hurry to be anywhere and was simply leaning on the gate.

It was actually a mixture, I had a little chuckle also at omitting the quote. I'm not really sure who you were meaning when you claimed Judith said Jodi never walked the RDP alone? to whom? Or of when and in what context, in fact of her actually using those actual words at all. We know she had forbade her daughter to walk this path. We know that JaJ's was mixed up about paths. And we are in no doubt that Jodi had obviously, at some point been using this path alone. So when did Judith Jones state "Jodi never walked the Roan's Dyke Path alone?"- we know you already had JaJ as being 9 when she moved to Easthouses, making claim that she could not have failed to know of this path. Then to 14 to then just actually staying there for around a year - and still you state, she must have known of this path? - determined to prove her to be a liar - consistently scraping away to bring up even one direct lie - to combat the abundance of lies from the Mitchells? - for this need to show some form of double standards, as to why one family was treated differently to the other - because one family just kept on lying. -They are not the same in any way. And you are doing a bloody miserable job of explaining the Mitchells lies - whilst scraping to find lies from this girls family? Jodi's family are not responsible for LM lying, nor for him murdering Jodi.

Dear oh dear, you really are tying yourself up in knots. I’m really at a loss to the point you’re trying to make. Jodi’s mother had banned Jodi from walking RDP alone, her sister, in court, verified that Jodi still walked the path alone and her mum knew it ‘perfectly well’.

“Jodi's mother said they saw each other a couple of times a week at first, before Jodi began to see him "most nights".

The two teenagers would sometimes meet up at the entrance of the Roan's Dyke path.

However, Mrs Jones said her daughter was not allowed to use the short-cut on her own“

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/4045025.stm



So can you explain how you jump to the conclusion and slight on Jodi's mother, that "so not quiet as honest as you'd have us believe" - As above, we know she had placed a ban and so forth. You have already asked me to read her statements? care to show us them? for us to do so. Where Jodi's mother was lying? - you want to make this family the same as the Mitchells - so show us how they were? Show us where she was lying? Show us that she was stating Jodi never walked the RDP alone? And of Rachel Jodi's friend - are you saying Jodi lied to her? That she told Rachel of this ban, was Jodi making it up? O perhaps the police put it in her head? Or the press? Or anyone other than it actually being the truth of course - for by your reckoning, the only honest people in any of this is the Mitchells - but then your memory is not so good, is it?

Judith said that there was a ban in place and Jodi wouldn’t have walked the path alone. Janine, under oath, said that her mum knew perfectly well that Jodi did not adhere to the ban and used the path alone. Those two claims can’t both be true. I have now said all I’m going to say on this topic as I simply can’t make things any clearer.


On a different note while looking for something else I came across an interesting interview with Donald Findlay about his life and career. This part especially peaked my interest.

‘ I ask about Luke Mitchell, who in 2005 was sentenced to life imprisonment for murdering his 14-year-old girlfriend, Jodi Jones. Mitchell’s appeal is scheduled for January 8 next year. It is thought that Findlay takes the case very personally.

“Of course it’s an important case,” he says. “There was an appalling loss of life. That young girl had done nobody any harm and had her whole life ahead of her. But equally, he’s a young boy who had his whole life ahead of him, and you want to be pretty sure that guilt was proved beyond reasonable doubt before you convict on that evidence. I get the sense that there is an air of disquiet about the verdict that wasn’t there at the time of the trial, and with some justification.”

https://peterross.scot/articles/donald-findlay-qc/

[Parky41]

Judith said Jodi never walked the Roan’s Dyke path alone, Janine, under oath, testified that her motherknew fine well that she did. When DF asked her if she was sure she simply answered ‘yes’....so not quiet as honest as you’d have us believe. As an aside did Judith never ask the three searchers why they were searching the path as Jodi wasn’t allowed to walk there alone?

And that evasion, tying yourself continuously up in knots - You were implying that this girls mother was a liar. As with SL, as with CM and as with yourself - you can not prove the evidence against LM to be wrong. From the investigation to trial and to the present day. One attempts continuously to divert away from the Mitchells from the lies they told over and over. Then one to tries desperately and shamefully to show that Jodi's immediate family lied. Or show evidence to be wrong from them, by lying yourselves. CM/SL - "the search party had to come from the top of Mayfield" SL "the search party walked passed YW's whilst heading directly to the path" You "Judith said Jodi never walked the Roan's Dyke path alone" then "so not quiet as honest as you'd have us believe" The evasion that comes from people who are less than honest - "vaguely remember" And you yet again bend things blatantly, JaJ did not say in court "Jodi still walked the path"  - hard pushed to say that, the girl was dead.

And the actual truth. SL stays in what is classed as the 'top of Mayfield' a good ten minutes walk uphill from where AW stays. There is a whole ten mins of a walk that CM/SL attempt to add on to this search trio reaching RDP. YW stays in the opposite direction, the search party would have had to divert away from this direct walk to the path. Walk backwards. Again adding time on to reach the path. Judith Jones had never stated that Jodi never walked this path alone - which completely wipes out you point. For Judith Jones would have had to say, categorically that Jodi did not walk this path alone, which is worlds apart from what she did actually say, which was she had banned her daughter from doing so. No lies. And of course, that complete irrelevance yet again, used to cover up LM's lies - for he was the one stating that there was no ban in place. So scrape away Faithlilly, you have still to give reason as to why, you are bending the truth? in your attempt to cover up LM's lies. Whether this girl may or not have walked this path alone at some point in time, has nothing to do with LM's lies. And that DF's attempt to show she may have walked it alone that day - was a far cry from showing that she actually had. For she did meet with LM, and they did go into the woods together and he did murder her.

Important to keep the split there. Jodi had not walked the path alone, she met Luke. Luke denied a ban had been in place, he was lying.

[Angelo222]

There must have been an issue if Judy banned Jodi from walking Roan's Dyke alone.  Maybe something had happened in the past to another girl, anyone shed any light on this?  Had it anything to do with its proximity to Newbattle College?

[Parky41]

There must have been an issue if Judy banned Jodi from walking Roan's Dyke alone.  Maybe something had happened in the past to another girl, anyone shed any light on this?  Had it anything to do with its proximity to Newbattle College?

It could simply be due to isolation. That like most parents, they would not wish for their children/daughters to be exposed to any type of danger. It could be that something had happened before to another person due to the isolation of it. - But ultimately the ban was in place and LM denied all knowledge of this ban. I have asked Ms Lean before of why the ban was put in place, what reasons were given - Blanked. Of the continuous attempt to show that Jodi may have walked it alone that day. Which is understandable, as DF needed to show that it may not have been with LM. But it did not explain why he lied, nor of why he would claim to wait this ridiculous time on her - rather than walking to meet with her, of his claim of not being concerned when she did not appear at the other side - Of course we know why.

[Brietta]

There must have been an issue if Judy banned Jodi from walking Roan's Dyke alone.  Maybe something had happened in the past to another girl, anyone shed any light on this?  Had it anything to do with its proximity to Newbattle College?

I don't think so Angelo.  Certainly not as far as Jodi's murder is concerned.  It is just common sense for a mother to ban a child from walking secluded paths on their own.

Anyway on the evening of her murder, she wasn't alone.  Isn't there a witness statement putting individuals dressed as Mitchell and Jodi were together on the path?

[mrswah]

This is the trouble, is it not? - Far too caught up in irrelevance of lies and if she may have walked this path - Faithlilly appears to know these statements. When and why, as you say, was this ban put in place? I have asked Ms Lean this before and been blanked. It will say in those statements why this ban was put in place.

According to SL, Jodi's mum had said she wasn't allowed to walk the path alone, but , according to Janine, Jodi sometimes did, anyway.

Why wasn't Jodi supposed to walk that path alone?  I would imagine, because Mrs Jones felt it was potentially too dangerous for a young girl on her own . We have a similar path very close to us, and , when my daughters were teenagers, I told them not to walk it alone-----whether they obeyed me, was another matter (I know full well that one of them didnt)!

Parky, who may or may not have lied, is your opinion. Unless you are closely acquainted with the families, you don't know who lied, when and where,  any more than the rest of us do.

[mrswah]

I don't think so Angelo.  Certainly not as far as Jodi's murder is concerned.  It is just common sense for a mother to ban a child from walking secluded paths on their own.

Anyway on the evening of her murder, she wasn't alone.  Isn't there a witness statement putting individuals dressed as Mitchell and Jodi were together on the path?

We don't know, for sure, whether Jodi was walking the path alone on the evening of her murder.

[Paranoid Android]

There must have been an issue if Judy banned Jodi from walking Roan's Dyke alone.  Maybe something had happened in the past to another girl, anyone shed any light on this?  Had it anything to do with its proximity to Newbattle College?

Don't think there had been any incidents, but you just wouldn't want a young girl walking alone in such a remote area.

[Angelo222]

It could simply be due to isolation. That like most parents, they would not wish for their children/daughters to be exposed to any type of danger. It could be that something had happened before to another person due to the isolation of it. - But ultimately the ban was in place and LM denied all knowledge of this ban. I have asked Ms Lean before of why the ban was put in place, what reasons were given - Blanked. Of the continuous attempt to show that Jodi may have walked it alone that day. Which is understandable, as DF needed to show that it may not have been with LM. But it did not explain why he lied, nor of why he would claim to wait this ridiculous time on her - rather than walking to meet with her, of his claim of not being concerned when she did not appear at the other side - Of course we know why.

If Luke Mitchell was innocent he would have phoned Jodi much sooner to find out where she was. But he didn't do this because he knew she was dead. His protracted walk about on the main road was nothing more than a cynical attempt to deflect the blame and establish an alibi.

[mrswah]

If Luke Mitchell was innocent he would have phoned Jodi much sooner to find out where she was. But he didn't do this because he knew she was dead. His protracted walk about on the main road was nothing more than a cynical attempt to deflect the blame and establish an alibi.

In your opinion!

[Parky41]

According to SL, Jodi's mum had said she wasn't allowed to walk the path alone, but , according to Janine, Jodi sometimes did, anyway.

Why wasn't Jodi supposed to walk that path alone?  I would imagine, because Mrs Jones felt it was potentially too dangerous for a young girl on her own . We have a similar path very close to us, and , when my daughters were teenagers, I told them not to walk it alone-----whether they obeyed me, was another matter (I know full well that one of them didnt)!

Parky, who may or may not have lied, is your opinion. Unless you are closely acquainted with the families, you don't know who lied, when and where,  any more than the rest of us do.

I'm sorry but I disagree wholeheartedly with what you are saying. My point was that. SL and CM have lied. I put two blatant lies up. My point was that Faithlilly had also lied, had she not? whilst trying to show that Jodi's mother had lied. - She stated something as fact which was not. Given that distinct impression that Jodi's mother had lied - when all we know as a fact, is what you state - that this girls mother had put a ban in place. That JaJ's had given the impression that Jodi may have walked this path alone, at some point in time. - No one is disputing this in the slightest. And as you rightly say - children will disobey. We know that his girl was smoking cannabis, that she had just been released from punishment for using it. And my point was also to do with - that LM had denied that any such ban was in place - that he way lying, not this girls family. And that he has been shown to lie completely on everything.

And I do think it is morally wrong, for those to preach for 'Truth and Justice' - to lie, more so when one of these people is the convicted persons mother. So no, I am not claiming these people lied - I am stating that they lied. This search party did not have to come from the top of Mayfield, they did not walk passed anyone's house whilst heading directly to this path - and nowhere have we seen, any verbatim used in the slightest - that Jodi's mother stated, that Jodi did not walk this path alone - Watch CM's podcast and you will see the abundance of lies she tells. She states that none of the boys from the Abbey gave testimony in court - a blatant lie. Of this search trio from the top of Mayfield of having to walk a much further length - a blatant lie. Of this ancient arthritic granny - a blatant misrepresentation of what this woman was.

So it has nothing to do with knowing families - it has everything to do with the actual facts, the truth. That this granny stays next to Scotts Caravan park. Which is in the bottom of Mayfield. A couple of minutes walk to the actual complex they walked through. And for the reasons that these people lie - to add time on them getting to this actual path. And of this girls mother and of this girls friends - stating there was a ban in place - and of LM denying this.

So all is very well Mrswah - if you wish to believe these lies - as stated, you have every right to do so - If you choose to believe these lies from the Mitchells, from those spearheading any campaign. - Over all else who gave testimony. Then so be it. I can not change that. - But if I see blatant lies, I will most definitely pick up on them - One of the very reasons I started to look into this case. For I saw those blatant lies, and it got me into thinking - what else is being lied about, misrepresented and so forth - and this whole campaign is wrought with it. - we will have to agree to disagree.

If you wish me to stop posting - that is also fine by me. For if it means you wish me not to mention lies - then I have to choice, but to stop posting. Back those who blatantly lie if you must - I certainly won't.

[Brietta]

We don't know, for sure, whether Jodi was walking the path alone on the evening of her murder.

Andrina Bryson testified that she had seen a young couple in the lane leading to the murder site; she positively identified Mitchell; her description of the girl matched Jodi; Ms Bryson's sighting tied in with the evidence led that Mitchell had arranged to meet with Jodi at that place and was accepted by the court.

Therefore Jodi and Mitchell met as arranged and he walked her up that path - through the break in the wall - to the place where he murdered her.