More recent events related to Madeleine McCann's case

[Mr Gray]

Without doubt we jump to dark scenarios as parents but stranger abduction isn't the most common cause of missing children it is incredibly rare. You might have dark thoughts but to declare this is what has happened in public is a different reaction in my opinion. I draw no inference from this reaction. It was just the first in a string of alleged links with this case and paedophiles. It's led all the way to CB (now that RH is dead).

Stranger abduction is the most likely scenario in this instance imo annd SY and.the Germans seem to agree with me

[Vertigo Swirl]

This is just another attempt to blacken Kate McCann.

Obviously.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Without doubt we jump to dark scenarios as parents but stranger abduction isn't the most common cause of missing children it is incredibly rare. You might have dark thoughts but to declare this is what has happened in public is a different reaction in my opinion. I draw no inference from this reaction. It was just the first in a string of alleged links with this case and paedophiles. It's led all the way to CB (now that RH is dead).

Try very, very, VERY hard to imagine that Kate McCann is an honest person and that you are in her shoes.  Did you manage it?  Right.  Now imagine you have entered your child’s bedroom and find the child gone and the window wide open, not how you left it.  Now what is your very first thought?  The your child opened the window and shutter by herself and climbed out the window? Or that someone has broken into the room and taken her?  Or that you child is playing a sick joke on you?  Which is the most plausible scenario in your opinion?  Now you might think the worst but you can’t quite believe it so you conduct a frantic search of the apartment and can’t find her.  You are panic stricken.  What are you thinking? 

[Anthro]

Stranger abduction is the most likely scenario in this instance imo annd SY and.the Germans seem to agree with me

I fully agree, Davel. Just because stranger abduction is unlikely, doesn’t mean it will not happen and I believe this is/was Madeleine’s fate.

[G-Unit]

Try very, very, VERY hard to imagine that Kate McCann is an honest person and that you are in her shoes.  Did you manage it?  Right.  Now imagine you have entered your child’s bedroom and find the child gone and the window wide open, not how you left it.  Now what is your very first thought?  The your child opened the window and shutter by herself and climbed out the window? Or that someone has broken into the room and taken her?  Or that you child is playing a sick joke on you?  Which is the most plausible scenario in your opinion?  Now you might think the worst but you can’t quite believe it so you conduct a frantic search of the apartment and can’t find her.  You are panic stricken.  What are you thinking?

It would help if there was cohesion in other accounts. Matthew Oldfield, for example, changed his account significantly over time. It moves from the whole group entering 5A to him not entering the bedroom to him not entering the apartment.

Matthew Oldfield
4th May
Then, the whole group went to Madeleine's bedroom and checked that the twins were sleeping OK. That there was no sign of a burglary in the apartment. Only one window in the childrens' bedroom was open. The window was open and the respective shutter
10th May
In view of such news all group members rushed to GM's apartment which was accessed through the rear entrance, namely by the sliding glass door facing the pool.
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Asked, he relates that when he entered the apartment, from memory, he did not approach MBM's bedroom therefore cannot provide any details about its condition.
Rogatory interview
 If you ask whether we went, you know, into the apartment and I'm almost a hundred percent sure we didn't go to the apartment...

[jassi]

Aye, if they'd all been closely questioned the following day, the PJ might have got something approaching the truth. IMO

[Vertigo Swirl]

It would help if there was cohesion in other accounts. Matthew Oldfield, for example, changed his account significantly over time. It moves from the whole group entering 5A to him not entering the bedroom to him not entering the apartment.

Matthew Oldfield
4th May
Then, the whole group went to Madeleine's bedroom and checked that the twins were sleeping OK. That there was no sign of a burglary in the apartment. Only one window in the childrens' bedroom was open. The window was open and the respective shutter
10th May
In view of such news all group members rushed to GM's apartment which was accessed through the rear entrance, namely by the sliding glass door facing the pool.
.
Asked, he relates that when he entered the apartment, from memory, he did not approach MBM's bedroom therefore cannot provide any details about its condition.
Rogatory interview
 If you ask whether we went, you know, into the apartment and I'm almost a hundred percent sure we didn't go to the apartment...

That has absolutely nothing to do with my post or my point.

[Anthro]

Aye, if they'd all been closely questioned the following day, the PJ might have got something approaching the truth. IMO

Questioning everyone ‘the following day’ didn’t seem to be on the PJ’s agenda. In my opinion, they were never concerned/committed to Madeleine’s fate.

[G-Unit]

That has absolutely nothing to do with my post or my point.

I can't help but wonder why one of their friends was happy to imply that he saw the open window in his first statement, but decided over time that not only did he not see it, but he was nowhere near it.

[Anthro]

It would help if there was cohesion in other accounts. Matthew Oldfield, for example, changed his account significantly over time. It moves from the whole group entering 5A to him not entering the bedroom to him not entering the apartment.

Matthew Oldfield
4th May
Then, the whole group went to Madeleine's bedroom and checked that the twins were sleeping OK. That there was no sign of a burglary in the apartment. Only one window in the childrens' bedroom was open. The window was open and the respective shutter
10th May
In view of such news all group members rushed to GM's apartment which was accessed through the rear entrance, namely by the sliding glass door facing the pool.
.
Asked, he relates that when he entered the apartment, from memory, he did not approach MBM's bedroom therefore cannot provide any details about its condition.
Rogatory interview
 If you ask whether we went, you know, into the apartment and I'm almost a hundred percent sure we didn't go to the apartment...

Don’t you think that Oldfield, in good faith, was under enormous pressure because he opted to do Kate’s check at 21h30, not sure if he saw Madeleine in her bed and him being suspected of been involved in Madeleine’s disappearance?

[Vertigo Swirl]

I can't help but wonder why one of their friends was happy to imply that he saw the open window in his first statement, but decided over time that not only did he not see it, but he was nowhere near it.

Totally irrelevant to the point I was discussing with Billy.

[G-Unit]

Don’t you think that Oldfield, in good faith, was under enormous pressure because he opted to do Kate’s check at 21h30, not sure if he saw Madeleine in her bed and him being suspected of been involved in Madeleine’s disappearance?

Why would that lead to his reluctance to admit to entering the children's bedroom at 10pm?

[Vertigo Swirl]

Why would that lead to his reluctance to admit to entering the children's bedroom at 10pm?

Stop making things up please.  He was not reluctant to admit entering the children’s bedroom and this has got eff all to do with anything we were discussing, even less to do with the thread title. 

[Brietta]

If you believe our well established legal system is protecting the victims of paedophiles then all I can do is stress that I believe, from tragic personal involvement, that you are very sadly mistaken.

Also I shouldn't respond to your ad hominem rhetoric but the sentence stating "the mother's self proclaimed enjoyment of socialising with Clement Freud" contains no misogyny whatsoever. It's a factual statement based on Kate McCann's book. For the record, in my opinion, Gerry McCann appears controlling in terms of the couple's public persona and how that is managed. However it was Kate who wrote about enjoying the company of the alleged paedophile Clement Freud.

Congratulations in managing to get an 'alleged' in there.

Now if you don't mind this is not a thread for traducing the McCanns - it is to discuss what is going on as far as we know in the here and now of Madeleine's case.
Please bear that in mind for future posts.  Thankyou

[Billy Whizz Fan Club]

That has absolutely nothing to do with my post or my point.

I disagree. You were asking us to imagine our reaction to a scenario. There are conflicting accounts of the scenario as G-Unit is correctly pointing out. Asking how we might react to something that isn't an established fact is problematic.