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Offline Billy Whizz Fan Club

Re: More recent events related to Madeleine McCann's case
« Reply #330 on: July 22, 2021, 05:06:50 PM »
I know nothing about Clement Freud's accusers but think on ... if you or your son or daughter were to be accused of historic sex abuse ... would that be it for you.
Would you, your son and your daughter accept the accusation - or accusations - without question and settle down to do your time with good grace.

We have a well established legal system based on the presumption of innocence which would allow you to argue a case to defend yourself.

Clement Freud was dead when his accuser made an appearance on a documentary 'Abused And Betrayed - A Life Sentence' and therefore could mount no defence.

The day following the release of the documentary Cliff Richard was cleared of accusations made against him.   It took two horrible years as the police investigated - and no doubt expensive lawyers.

Cliff Richard was alive and able to fight his case. 

Lord McAlpine was able to fight his.  If they had been dead they would have shared the same addition to their name as that given to Clement Freud.

Accusers can tell it very wrong. Follow these two links to get a flavour of what Lord McAlpine was up against  ~

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20269114#:~:text=Lord%20McAlpine%2C%20whose%20grandfather%20founded%20the%20McAlpine%20construction,post%20until%201990.%20He%20now%20lives%20in%20Italy.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2231212/Steven-Messham-Astonishing-story-BBC-DIDNT-tell-troubled-star-witness.html

If you believe our well established legal system is protecting the victims of paedophiles then all I can do is stress that I believe, from tragic personal involvement, that you are very sadly mistaken.

Also I shouldn't respond to your ad hominem rhetoric but the sentence stating "the mother's self proclaimed enjoyment of socialising with Clement Freud" contains no misogyny whatsoever. It's a factual statement based on Kate McCann's book. For the record, in my opinion, Gerry McCann appears controlling in terms of the couple's public persona and how that is managed. However it was Kate who wrote about enjoying the company of the alleged paedophile Clement Freud.

Offline Eleanor

Re: More recent events related to Madeleine McCann's case
« Reply #331 on: July 22, 2021, 05:11:21 PM »
If you believe our well established legal system is protecting the victims of paedophiles then all I can do is stress that I believe, from tragic personal involvement, that you are very sadly mistaken.

Also I shouldn't respond to your ad hominem rhetoric but the sentence stating "the mother's self proclaimed enjoyment of socialising with Clement Freud" contains no misogyny whatsoever. It's a factual statement based on Kate McCann's book. For the record, in my opinion, Gerry McCann appears controlling in terms of the couple's public persona and how that is managed. However it was Kate who wrote about enjoying the company of the alleged paedophile Clement Freud.

Was Clement Freud an alleged paedophile at the time.

Offline Billy Whizz Fan Club

Re: More recent events related to Madeleine McCann's case
« Reply #332 on: July 22, 2021, 05:23:14 PM »
Was Clement Freud an alleged paedophile at the time.

It is alleged he was a paedophile from the late 1940s onwards. His wife has even accepted the allegations and has expressed her sympathy to the victims. This was not known in 2007 - but it is known now. In my opinion it's reasonable to believe that the McCann's might issue a public statement given what Kate wrote about him in her book, and the fact that from Day One it was them that linked this case to paedophilia.

Offline Eleanor

Re: More recent events related to Madeleine McCann's case
« Reply #333 on: July 22, 2021, 05:32:05 PM »
It is alleged he was a paedophile from the late 1940s onwards. His wife has even accepted the allegations and has expressed her sympathy to the victims. This was not known in 2007 - but it is known now. In my opinion it's reasonable to believe that the McCann's might issue a public statement given what Kate wrote about him in her book, and the fact that from Day One it was them that linked this case to paedophilia.

So Kate didn't know about this at the time.  Thank you.  So why should Kate issue a statement and saying what exactly?

Was he ever found guilty?  Or did his wife stand trial for him?

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: More recent events related to Madeleine McCann's case
« Reply #334 on: July 22, 2021, 05:32:16 PM »
It is alleged he was a paedophile from the late 1940s onwards. His wife has even accepted the allegations and has expressed her sympathy to the victims. This was not known in 2007 - but it is known now. In my opinion it's reasonable to believe that the McCann's might issue a public statement given what Kate wrote about him in her book, and the fact that from Day One it was them that linked this case to paedophilia.
What a laughable suggestion IMO.  Why does Kate McCann need to make a public statement about Clement Freud?  Saying what exactly?  If your best mate turned out to be a paedophile what sort of a public statement would you make about it?
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline Lace

Re: More recent events related to Madeleine McCann's case
« Reply #335 on: July 22, 2021, 05:40:31 PM »
If you believe our well established legal system is protecting the victims of paedophiles then all I can do is stress that I believe, from tragic personal involvement, that you are very sadly mistaken.

Also I shouldn't respond to your ad hominem rhetoric but the sentence stating "the mother's self proclaimed enjoyment of socialising with Clement Freud" contains no misogyny whatsoever. It's a factual statement based on Kate McCann's book. For the record, in my opinion, Gerry McCann appears controlling in terms of the couple's public persona and how that is managed. However it was Kate who wrote about enjoying the company of the alleged paedophile Clement Freud.


In my opinion Gerry took on the media as he was the stronger of the two,  Kate said that Gerry was used to giving lectures  he would do in his profession.  To say he was 'controlling' is rather over the top when Kate preferred Gerry to speak out for them.  Kate did get better at speaking as time went by.

So what if Kate did write about enjoying the company of Clement Freud?    I believe they took other family members with them on the first visit.   I think she felt a bit flattered as he was a well known person.  Why shouldn't they have had a short break from the horrors of their daughters disappearance?   A time to relax and just enjoy a meal,  they would soon slam back to reality as soon as it was over.    The McCann's wouldn't have known about his secrets,  they just knew him as a well known person.   Paedophile's are in all walks of life,   who knows you may have even encountered one yourself without knowing it.

If I found my child missing from her bed with the window open when it had never been opened all the time they had been in the apartment,  then she was not found in the apartment or anywhere around it,  then I would think 'abduction' and yes my first thought would be Paedophile as they are the people who usually abduct a child.  So what's all this Kate mentions Paedophile's of course she did,  it would be every mothers worse scenario.




Offline Billy Whizz Fan Club

Re: More recent events related to Madeleine McCann's case
« Reply #336 on: July 22, 2021, 05:41:49 PM »
What a laughable suggestion IMO.  Why does Kate McCann need to make a public statement about Clement Freud?  Saying what exactly?  If your best mate turned out to be a paedophile what sort of a public statement would you make about it?

I'm not a public figure but if I was and (a) had publicly declared that I thought a paedophile had abducted my daughter and then (b) discovered I had been socialising with a paedophile and publicly stating what great company he was then yes without doubt I would go on public record and condemn the alleged actions of this man and state my abhorrence of his actions and my regret that I had ever had the misfortune of setting foot in his house.

Offline Eleanor

Re: More recent events related to Madeleine McCann's case
« Reply #337 on: July 22, 2021, 05:46:33 PM »
I'm not a public figure but if I was and (a) had publicly declared that I thought a paedophile had abducted my daughter and then (b) discovered I had been socialising with a paedophile and publicly stating what great company he was then yes without doubt I would go on public record and condemn the alleged actions of this man and state my abhorrence of his actions and my regret that I had ever had the misfortune of setting foot in his house.

Was Clement Freud ever found guilty?

Offline Billy Whizz Fan Club

Re: More recent events related to Madeleine McCann's case
« Reply #338 on: July 22, 2021, 05:50:54 PM »

In my opinion Gerry took on the media as he was the stronger of the two,  Kate said that Gerry was used to giving lectures  he would do in his profession.  To say he was 'controlling' is rather over the top when Kate preferred Gerry to speak out for them.  Kate did get better at speaking as time went by.

So what if Kate did write about enjoying the company of Clement Freud?    I believe they took other family members with them on the first visit.   I think she felt a bit flattered as he was a well known person.  Why shouldn't they have had a short break from the horrors of their daughters disappearance?   A time to relax and just enjoy a meal,  they would soon slam back to reality as soon as it was over.    The McCann's wouldn't have known about his secrets,  they just knew him as a well known person.   Paedophile's are in all walks of life,   who knows you may have even encountered one yourself without knowing it.

If I found my child missing from her bed with the window open when it had never been opened all the time they had been in the apartment,  then she was not found in the apartment or anywhere around it,  then I would think 'abduction' and yes my first thought would be Paedophile as they are the people who usually abduct a child.  So what's all this Kate mentions Paedophile's of course she did,  it would be every mothers worse scenario.

Without doubt we jump to dark scenarios as parents but stranger abduction isn't the most common cause of missing children it is incredibly rare. You might have dark thoughts but to declare this is what has happened in public is a different reaction in my opinion. I draw no inference from this reaction. It was just the first in a string of alleged links with this case and paedophiles. It's led all the way to CB (now that RH is dead).

Offline Billy Whizz Fan Club

Re: More recent events related to Madeleine McCann's case
« Reply #339 on: July 22, 2021, 05:54:12 PM »
Was Clement Freud ever found guilty?

You know he wasn't. And as Dave is keen to point out that doesn't mean he wasn't guilty.

Do you believe his wife was wrong to accept the allegations and offer her sympathy to the victims?

Offline Eleanor

Re: More recent events related to Madeleine McCann's case
« Reply #340 on: July 22, 2021, 05:59:22 PM »
You know he wasn't. And as Dave is keen to point out that doesn't mean he wasn't guilty.

Do you believe his wife was wrong to accept the allegations and offer her sympathy to the victims?

Neither does it mean that he was guilty.  So not even an alleged paedophile.

I don't suppose you have a cite to his wife's statement, do you?

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: More recent events related to Madeleine McCann's case
« Reply #341 on: July 22, 2021, 06:08:38 PM »
I'm not a public figure but if I was and (a) had publicly declared that I thought a paedophile had abducted my daughter and then (b) discovered I had been socialising with a paedophile and publicly stating what great company he was then yes without doubt I would go on public record and condemn the alleged actions of this man and state my abhorrence of his actions and my regret that I had ever had the misfortune of setting foot in his house.
And if she had she would undoubtedly be accused by some of protesting too much.  Whatever abominations this man committed against children it goes without saying anyone in their right mind would be against it, but nothing can alter the fact that this man showed kindness towards Kate and her family at the time.  IMO The only people expecting Kate McCann to issue a public proclamation on the matter are the same people who criticise her whatever she does or doesn’t do.  Has this woman EVER done the right thing about anything in your view?
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: More recent events related to Madeleine McCann's case
« Reply #342 on: July 22, 2021, 06:10:36 PM »
You know he wasn't. And as Dave is keen to point out that doesn't mean he wasn't guilty.

Do you believe his wife was wrong to accept the allegations and offer her sympathy to the victims?
Yes, very interesting that you consider Freud to be a paedophile on the strength of witness testimony alone.   
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: More recent events related to Madeleine McCann's case
« Reply #343 on: July 22, 2021, 06:22:24 PM »
Close personal friends of Clement Freud (far closer friends than Kate McCann) - how many of them have publicly condemned Freud for his alleged paedophilia since his death?
Bono
Alan Yentob
George Osborne
Mel Smith
Stephen Fry
Richard Curtis
Nicholas Parsons
Gyles Brandreth
Paul Merton
Graham Norton
Gordon Brown
 David Steel
What can we infer from their silence?
« Last Edit: July 22, 2021, 06:25:21 PM by Vertigo Swirl »
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline Eleanor

Re: More recent events related to Madeleine McCann's case
« Reply #344 on: July 22, 2021, 06:44:10 PM »
Close personal friends of Clement Freud (far closer friends than Kate McCann) - how many of them have publicly condemned Freud for his alleged paedophilia since his death?
Bono
Alan Yentob
George Osborne
Mel Smith
Stephen Fry
Richard Curtis
Nicholas Parsons
Gyles Brandreth
Paul Merton
Graham Norton
Gordon Brown
 David Steel
What can we infer from their silence?

This is just another attempt to blacken Kate McCann.