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Offline G-Unit

Re: More recent events related to Madeleine McCann's case
« Reply #1020 on: November 21, 2021, 09:02:42 AM »
Do you think you are the only person who doesn't believe everything.. Anyone has said in this case.. I think that's common sense but it doesn't mean you have not believed some things that are not true.. And disbelieved some that are

I don't believe anything without supporting evidence.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: More recent events related to Madeleine McCann's case
« Reply #1021 on: November 21, 2021, 09:09:34 AM »
I don't believe anything without supporting evidence.

I already understand that. .but you decide what supporting evidence is supportive and valid.  For example you think the dog alerts are supported by evidence.. Mostly uncoroborated  from their training.. I dint think they are.
So it often still comes down to personal opinion.. Not facts

Offline Carana

Re: More recent events related to Madeleine McCann's case
« Reply #1022 on: November 21, 2021, 09:16:03 AM »
The names of those in charge, which you choose to ignore, were Neves and Encarnacao. In fact the only example of the rules governing investigations being breached was during their interview of the McCanns on 8th August. If Kate McCann's account was truthful, that is.

The only example? Seriously? Where do you suppose the "100% match" myth came from? Or the Gerry-isn't-the-father" one? Or any of the dozens of others?

In charge of what? The investigation?

- Encarnaçao, technically, was Amaral's superior as head of the entire directorate (the division for the south of the country) and became seriously ill with cancer. Aside from a couple of meetings, and presumably being kept abreast of major developments, I doubt he had much time or energy to devote to the case.

- Re Neves (who, at the time of the disappearance was the head of the DCCB (Coordinator of the DCCB = Direcção Central de Combate ao Banditismo),  i.e. the central organized crime squad, which covered human trafficking, abduction and hostage situations, etc.

From the libel / damages trial (08.10.2013):

The Judge asks the witness if he intervened in the criminal process related to Madeleine McCann's disappearance.

LN says he did, but not directly. He explains that, after some days, the then National Director of the PJ, Alipio Ribeiro, asked him to send officers of his unit who were specialised in cases of abduction and hostage. He adds that his team had collaborated in the Joana Cipriano murder case.

The Judge – What do you mean by "indirectly"?

LN says that, though he went to the Algarve a few times to meet Guilhermino Encarnação, then Director of the PJ in Faro, and Gonçalo Amaral, the operations were performed by Portimão police officers under the direction of his team.

The Judge asks if the witness' relations with Gonçalo Amaral are only professional or if there is a personal relationship.

LN says there's friendship between them.

http://mccannvamarallibeltrial.blogspot.com/2013/10/luis-neves.html

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Offline Carana

Re: More recent events related to Madeleine McCann's case
« Reply #1023 on: November 21, 2021, 10:06:08 AM »
Mulling over this.

Hypothetically, of course, optics might not be optimal if ever the investigation re Brueckner (Brückner) brought up questions about the Cipriano case...

Offline Carana

Re: More recent events related to Madeleine McCann's case
« Reply #1024 on: November 21, 2021, 10:27:02 AM »
A different piece of the puzzle is where Cristovão may - or may not - fit into this.

Offline barrier

Re: More recent events related to Madeleine McCann's case
« Reply #1025 on: November 21, 2021, 10:46:56 AM »
What's important is the evidence..

Nope its the proof that will convince any jury or Judges, clearly lacking.
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Offline G-Unit

Re: More recent events related to Madeleine McCann's case
« Reply #1026 on: November 21, 2021, 11:04:35 AM »
I already understand that. .but you decide what supporting evidence is supportive and valid.  For example you think the dog alerts are supported by evidence.. Mostly uncoroborated  from their training.. I dint think they are.
So it often still comes down to personal opinion.. Not facts

I'll mention just one example. On 3rd May Madeleine McCann asked her parents a question. That question was.....what?

Where were you when the twins cried?
Where were you when Sean and I cried?
Where were you when we cried?

They are all facts in that all three have been recorded, but which one is true?

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Re: More recent events related to Madeleine McCann's case
« Reply #1027 on: November 21, 2021, 11:19:24 AM »
The only example? Seriously? Where do you suppose the "100% match" myth came from? Or the Gerry-isn't-the-father" one? Or any of the dozens of others?

In charge of what? The investigation?

- Encarnaçao, technically, was Amaral's superior as head of the entire directorate (the division for the south of the country) and became seriously ill with cancer. Aside from a couple of meetings, and presumably being kept abreast of major developments, I doubt he had much time or energy to devote to the case.

- Re Neves (who, at the time of the disappearance was the head of the DCCB (Coordinator of the DCCB = Direcção Central de Combate ao Banditismo),  i.e. the central organized crime squad, which covered human trafficking, abduction and hostage situations, etc.

From the libel / damages trial (08.10.2013):

The Judge asks the witness if he intervened in the criminal process related to Madeleine McCann's disappearance.

LN says he did, but not directly. He explains that, after some days, the then National Director of the PJ, Alipio Ribeiro, asked him to send officers of his unit who were specialised in cases of abduction and hostage. He adds that his team had collaborated in the Joana Cipriano murder case.

The Judge – What do you mean by "indirectly"?

LN says that, though he went to the Algarve a few times to meet Guilhermino Encarnação, then Director of the PJ in Faro, and Gonçalo Amaral, the operations were performed by Portimão police officers under the direction of his team.

The Judge asks if the witness' relations with Gonçalo Amaral are only professional or if there is a personal relationship.

LN says there's friendship between them.

http://mccannvamarallibeltrial.blogspot.com/2013/10/luis-neves.html

The officers we met on that occasion, and would continue to meet regularly, were the two men ultimately in charge of the investigation. Guilhermino Encarnação, chief of the Algarve PJ, based in Faro, we had encountered at the police station in Portimão on the day after Madeleine’s abduction. The other was Luís Neves
[madeleine]

Unproved leaking to the newspapers is one thing. Subjecting people to interviews which breached the rules is quite another.

On 8th August the McCanns were interviewed by Encarnacao and Neves without a civilian interpreter, without the knowledge of the consulate, and without a lawyer. During that interview, according to Kate McCann, questions were asked which should only have been asked of arguidos.

I was in no doubt now that they were trying to make me say I’d killed Madeleine or knew what had happened to her.
[madeleine]
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: More recent events related to Madeleine McCann's case
« Reply #1028 on: November 21, 2021, 11:31:31 AM »
Nope its the proof that will convince any jury or Judges, clearly lacking.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: More recent events related to Madeleine McCann's case
« Reply #1029 on: November 21, 2021, 11:32:30 AM »
Nope its the proof that will convince any jury or Judges, clearly lacking.

The evidence supplies that proof.... And it's clear Wolters has it

Offline Mr Gray

Re: More recent events related to Madeleine McCann's case
« Reply #1030 on: November 21, 2021, 11:35:46 AM »
I'll mention just one example. On 3rd May Madeleine McCann asked her parents a question. That question was.....what?

Where were you when the twins cried?
Where were you when Sean and I cried?
Where were you when we cried?

They are all facts in that all three have been recorded, but which one is true?

I think you are obsessed with the unimportant..
There are far more important questions such as are the translated statements accurate... You think they are... I think they will contain errors and my view is supported by evidence

Offline barrier

Re: More recent events related to Madeleine McCann's case
« Reply #1031 on: November 21, 2021, 12:10:34 PM »
The evidence supplies that proof.... And it's clear Wolters has it

Away with you, its all words and no action.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: More recent events related to Madeleine McCann's case
« Reply #1032 on: November 21, 2021, 12:20:39 PM »
Away with you, its all words and no action.

It clearly isnt

Offline Carana

Re: More recent events related to Madeleine McCann's case
« Reply #1033 on: November 21, 2021, 01:05:53 PM »
The officers we met on that occasion, and would continue to meet regularly, were the two men ultimately in charge of the investigation. Guilhermino Encarnação, chief of the Algarve PJ, based in Faro, we had encountered at the police station in Portimão on the day after Madeleine’s abduction. The other was Luís Neves
[madeleine]

Unproved leaking to the newspapers is one thing. Subjecting people to interviews which breached the rules is quite another.

On 8th August the McCanns were interviewed by Encarnacao and Neves without a civilian interpreter, without the knowledge of the consulate, and without a lawyer. During that interview, according to Kate McCann, questions were asked which should only have been asked of arguidos.

I was in no doubt now that they were trying to make me say I’d killed Madeleine or knew what had happened to her.
[madeleine]

"Ultimately in charge". What does that mean? "The buck stops here?", as in they were above Amaral's pay grade?

IMP, the potential elephant in the rroom is the Cipriano case and any potential connection between the two.


Offline G-Unit

Re: More recent events related to Madeleine McCann's case
« Reply #1034 on: November 21, 2021, 01:06:33 PM »
I think you are obsessed with the unimportant..
There are far more important questions such as are the translated statements accurate... You think they are... I think they will contain errors and my view is supported by evidence

Why do you dismiss it as 'unimportant'? Police often ask witnesses the same questions again to test if they're anwers are consistent.

“While we were having breakfast, Maddie said ‘Mummy why didn’t you come when we were crying last night,’” she told police in a statement broadcast by Telecinco TV.
https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-madeleine-idUKWRI13622020080411

‘Why didn’t you come when Sean and I cried last night?’
[madeleine]
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