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Offline Nicholas

Re: Sandra's exit - The real reasons
« Reply #570 on: September 30, 2021, 04:34:41 PM »
I hope the judge asked her to never stop on a 70mph motorway again at the behest of a man on his own. What the hell was he thinking? Jamieson, I mean. Then, he shows her his warrant badge. SMH. Not a good actor in a shockumentary about justice. IMO

Wonder if he ever contacted Mindhouse TV or vice versa?
https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/5364656/white-house-farm-murder-scots-forensics-expert/
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Offline rulesapply

Re: Sandra's exit - The real reasons
« Reply #571 on: September 30, 2021, 04:57:04 PM »
Wonder if he ever contacted Mindhouse TV or vice versa?
https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/5364656/white-house-farm-murder-scots-forensics-expert/

Seems to be a solid link between "professional," nutters and unprofessional campaigns.

Offline rulesapply

Re: Sandra's exit - The real reasons
« Reply #572 on: September 30, 2021, 07:50:23 PM »
And do you have evidence of this?

Yes. An alibi discredited in court.and a bunch of lies about garden fires.

Offline Nicholas

Re: Sandra's exit - The real reasons
« Reply #573 on: December 20, 2021, 08:27:31 PM »
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Offline TruthSeeker2003

Re: Sandra's exit - The real reasons
« Reply #574 on: March 03, 2022, 04:53:47 PM »
Sandra is back with another podcast.

https://www.facebook.com/1011563515/posts/10223795574249929/?d=n

She mentions she spoke with Luke the other day. No mention of the new legal team and no mention that she exited from the campaign. Was it a real exit from the case. Or way it just a stunt so she could take a step back from the mess that she has made without taking any responsibility and making it look like she was forced to leave. More smoke and mirrors

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Offline Dexter

Re: Sandra's exit - The real reasons
« Reply #575 on: March 03, 2022, 05:31:25 PM »
Sandra is back with another podcast.

https://www.facebook.com/1011563515/posts/10223795574249929/?d=n

She mentions she spoke with Luke the other day. No mention of the new legal team and no mention that she exited from the campaign. Was it a real exit from the case. Or way it just a stunt so she could take a step back from the mess that she has made without taking any responsibility and making it look like she was forced to leave. More smoke and mirrors

  *%87

That's rubbish and you know it. Everyone read the statement and saw ALL the changes they made to it while rushing to be in charge

Once they had said control they had no idea what to do with it did they? THEY went very quiet.

As for Luke maybe he has realised the error. The wannabes  soon got bored and the one consistent person would still fight  his corner.

Offline TruthSeeker2003

Re: Sandra's exit - The real reasons
« Reply #576 on: March 03, 2022, 05:59:26 PM »
Who do you mean by they?
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Offline Parky41

Re: Sandra's exit - The real reasons
« Reply #577 on: March 07, 2022, 04:24:08 PM »
Further opinion, by invite of "make of it what you will?"

Something to digest: In IB Nicholas, SL refers to the fall out during the time of the SCCRC report being in. It is put across as things becoming strained between CM, that they could not agree on which was the best way to proceed. That once the report came through communication had broken down in their relationship, so much so that CM (who loves a note?) put another note through SL's door stating she had been stripped of POA - then refers to the WAP, that it had to be taken down as one no longer had the case files to back up what was being put out!

Interesting but so full of holes. The strain in the relationship it would appear was due to what had been happening on the WAP forum. Dispute between four people and not two, those four being SL, CM, LM and of course BM. (The latter co founder and runner of the WAP and also partner of SL?) Which was not simply about a disagreement on how best to proceed. 

There were other cases involved here also, which due to losing their 'prime' target, that high profile murderer, the rest and any organisation to fight their cause were simply surplus, no longer worth keeping that forum running for? Yet when IB was released, that promise of wonderful new things, a new organisation to act in pretty much the same fashion as the WAP. Using the Mitchell case, that high profile murderer as their prime target to draw support! The 'others' and that vague promise to help those in similar situations, is simply not enough to give incentive to carry on, is it? (Where an organisation is concerned) One needs paid, so it is far from being mercenary, is it not?

But this dispute and that note, the demand that one is no longer able to hold those case files, that stripping of POA is not down to CM it is down to LM. In the exact same fashion as to that which has happened of late. It is not these other supporters, it is not CM, these are ultimately the actions of LM. They are his case files, his permission only to give and strip POA and not his mothers.

One talks of being both pushed to the "brink of mental and emotional collapse (after the fallout and failed review attempt). Everything it seemed had been for nothing" (IB SCCRC) - say what? History is simply repeating itself, is it not? Those years from becoming involved with the Mitchells, that massive help they have been to SL throughout those years. A writer and student needs material, and they source and study for this. What exactly in reality is this "Everything it seemed had been for nothing?"

Going back to study was always an option, she tells us this but it had to be at the right time. A continuation from one's psychology degree in 2000? Wanted to further study crime and chose that route of the Justice system (It's flaws), but mostly one wanted to use whatever was gained to be an author and writer. Three years back into study and one had put out their first book around 7 cases. Cases based upon opinion and attempts to match them to what can happen in the world of MOJ's. Taken an elective in paralegal work whilst doing that PHD. In short, those years (8 approx until that submission), the involvement with the Mitchells and others has been invaluable to SL, run alongside her true vocation, have they not? SL really owes a lot to them contrary to what impression people are under of sacrifices?

The waiting game, that cherry on the icing at this point - the report and feed back from the SCCRC was to determine what would be the decider of one's next move. That book however always in the pipeline, was it not? But LM stripped SL of her POA status, took those files back and ultimately without his permission, of that draw and contents from his case files - there would be no IB as it stands, that is simple fact. Was this the drain, the "Everything it seemed had been for nothing?"

As, there was very little hope of success with SCCRC, one tells us this and the next step forward ultimately to get the word out there, to sway public opinion and gain attention another way, by means of putting it all out there in that book. Flatlined, dead in the water, without LM and his mother? MOJO was to be the next hope, but they state clearly that their offices were merely to "provide storage for those case files" Which actually makes sense, these files in reality, should have always been in a secure place should they not have? Not simply stored in one's house in the middle of a scheme? A bedroom/make shift study? SL tells of that visitor to her door, to then getting security cameras to her house, so nothing there to protect any files before this then? No security. Which as anyone knows, hold very sensitive material? Perhaps they were under lock and key, perhaps not.

Let us be realistic here, those pop ins from SL over the time there (MOJO), served dual purpose once more, did it not? Still putting together content for that book. Where we are told that it came about by another stranger posing that question to her, getting  it all down in writing and hey presto, within months that book is written! The first draft she tells us was not satisfactory (Did LM not approve of the first?), to then have it ready for press and released by '18'

So they merged together again, permission for certain contents allowed to be included in the book. The new legal team on board (The two PI's?). Done multiple podcasts and so forth to promote the book, to promote both SL and of course the Mitchell case. They get or were approached by C5, that carrot of having this killers voice aired publicly at a time where, there, was/is massive interest in this type of viewing? That best shot has been had for now, and history once more repeats itself, as:

Purpose has been served for both SL and LM once more, and again she is stripped from having his case files, that demand to hand them back, by him. Not CM and not those supporters together on side with her, It is his decision, exactly as before to take back what is rightfully his. It is foolish, is it not? To imagine for one moment that SL was ready and willing to take on any role of endless campaigning, manning an organisation whilst being fronted by both LM and his mother! I do not imagine for one moment that any of them are the 'forgive and forget' type? Do you?

Stir crazy, the influx of support, people willing to charge through the streets on horseback (I kid you not!) Never mind "Picnic at Hanging Rock" It was picnics at RDP for many western families and their kids, lots of lovely memorial "pics" of their children at the murder site! But reality was to hit home, not was at all how it should be, there was no stepping up to the mark from either CM or SL on behalf of Luke, was there? Not where these others were concerned, they could not understand why the gates of hell themselves were not being chained to? Disputes going on that had been going on for years between three people (LM, his mother and SL). And one by one people began to wake up and fall to the wayside, what was the point of them doing all the dirty work? When the main people were at loggerheads with each other?

Realism to the present day, the one person and again, who is really in charge is of course LM, has asked in the best way possible so as not to lose any more support - fed his fans a carrot, a message of hope? His lovely poem and a thank you for all their hard work, especially SL. To keep things low key and not feed the media. His mother and support on that side, are they eerily quiet or simply doing as requested? Where the other side, the group and support of SL have found this extremely hard, and why should one person remain quiet? That deal is done and dusted, the book is written and can not be taken back, the author has put a lot of work into this and like any author, promotion and sales are what come first!  Are they not?

And yes it is opinion, one can not see into the true workings of those three in a bed together for their own cause, but it really does speak for itself does it not? If one takes any time to actually work their way through those years, as opposed to the present day and the writings of a book. Three people who have ultimately served purpose for each other, selfless acts? - not.

Further food for thought and that request to keep things low key, and to make that split ultimately public. This claimed new legal teams advice, may very well have a real basis of truth in it. LM is due to begin preparation for parole hearings in the not so distant future. His 20yrs are up come April 2024. And contrary to what many people may have been led to believe, there has never been an option for any early release in this case, it was a minimum 20yrs tariff, before being eligible for applying to the parole board. He simply could not have held his hands up and been out on the streets. But without doubt he may very well be wanting things low key, taken advice due to that preparation for those hearings?

One simply does not know, but then it certainly would appear that his last "legal team" were those two ex cops touting for their new PI business? Certainly no others have come to light, or if there were then they too saw nothing in this case that even hinted at a MOJ. Don't let the experts fool one, whilst it is all very well a lawyer putting out opinion on questions asked of them, it is another thing entirely putting money where their mouths are, not so keen to take this case on, are they?

And without doubt, this case will rear it's head time and again, more broadcasts one way or another via media source of all kinds. It attracted attention and status then, it will do so again without doubt. A different spin, and who knows, maybe one day LM himself may write his own book? There will always be something to top what has already passed? Human nature in all forms thrives for attention, to make their mark, nothing better than something that has already gained notoriety. We may even see a third book from SL on this case, most definitely, IF by some miracle LM were to be innocent by some default in law (doubtful) Perhaps one along the lines of 'My time with a killer' - Who knows, anything is possible, is it not? But for now, LM remains both factually and legally guilty of the murder of his girlfriend. No amount of opinion is going to change that. IB is one big IF, it is not based upon evidence and facts that matter, it is opinion and most definitely in parts by permission of LM. 

This split which also holds interest in another area of the book, where by there is virtually nothing from any interviews or statements from CM herself. We have some of LM's interviews (by permission) and one says his mothers was just pretty much more of the same, therefore no point in putting them up? There are continuous red flags in the book, it is missing the very heart of anything that points towards Injustice, directly from the accused and convicted.

Therefore, this fiasco, deliberate or not, simply always the intention - Three people knew those files were to be handed back prior to it being made public, someone was obviously dragging their heels. Propaganda indeed, look at me?

Offline Nicholas

Re: Sandra's exit - The real reasons
« Reply #578 on: March 07, 2022, 07:38:58 PM »
Further opinion, by invite of "make of it what you will?"

Something to digest: In IB Nicholas, SL refers to the fall out during the time of the SCCRC report being in. It is put across as things becoming strained between CM, that they could not agree on which was the best way to proceed. That once the report came through communication had broken down in their relationship, so much so that CM (who loves a note?) put another note through SL's door stating she had been stripped of POA - then refers to the WAP, that it had to be taken down as one no longer had the case files to back up what was being put out!

That’s interesting

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Offline Nicholas

Re: Sandra's exit - The real reasons
« Reply #579 on: March 07, 2022, 07:40:42 PM »
Further opinion, by invite of "make of it what you will?"

Something to digest: In IB Nicholas, SL refers to the fall out during the time of the SCCRC report being in. It is put across as things becoming strained between CM, that they could not agree on which was the best way to proceed. That once the report came through communication had broken down in their relationship, so much so that CM (who loves a note?) put another note through SL's door stating she had been stripped of POA - then refers to the WAP, that it had to be taken down as one no longer had the case files to back up what was being put out!

Interesting but so full of holes. The strain in the relationship it would appear was due to what had been happening on the WAP forum. Dispute between four people and not two, those four being SL, CM, LM and of course BM. (The latter co founder and runner of the WAP and also partner of SL?) Which was not simply about a disagreement on how best to proceed. 

‘Holes’ or more blatant lies?

Billy Middleton published the following (In blue) in mid 2014

Sandra Leans co admin at Wrongly Accused Person Organsation, Billy Middleton, explains in his latest rendering...

The road to where things now are for Luke and his case has been a long, difficult and often stressful one for all those who have genuinely believed in and supported him. I say genuinely because, as we know from experience, not everyone who becomes involved in cases such as this have genuine motives. Sandra became involved at a much earlier stage than most, but I don't think anyone with any credibility would suggest she has been anything other than supportive, or that she hasn't tried hard for almost 11 years, at great personal hardship, and often in difficult circumstances, to both help and to expose facts of the case which otherwise would probably still not be known.

Unfortunately, shortly before the SCCRC refusal, at a time when she knew it's decision was imminent, Sandra came to a point whereby she was no longer prepared to carry on and wrote to Luke explaining why. She remains supportive to this day. Anyone involved in the horror of fighting a wrongful conviction will understand the ever present difficulties of the situation.

Luke was merely a child himself when he was incarcerated, now, although he's not been allowed to develop as he should have been, he's a man. What he does now, and the choices he now makes are his alone to make and his responsibility. I wish him well, hope he makes wise choices and is someday successful. For me every day longer will be yet another too long for both him and Jodi to finally get the justice they deserve. However, in the absence of the connection that once existed, and the mandate which went along with it to validate what has been exposed both here on the forum and on his caseblog, WAP is in a difficult position. It is the most sensitive of cases, and the extent and nature of what has been highlighted could only be done in large part due to the fact it has been done on the basis of having access to the supporting documents. Clearly that is no longer the case, and while I had hoped to be able to archive it due to a SCCRC referral, I don't really see how it can remain available.

So while I wish Luke well and hope for a positive outcome, anything which depends on access to his paperwork will have to be taken offline in a week's time roughly. It does not in any way reflect a change in opinion on his case, and if anyone wants to start a topic which isn't notably said to be backed up by case papers they are perfectly free to do so in the general forum area as with any other deserved case providing discussion remains polite, respectful to all concern and dignified.l

Considerable thought has been given to this decision, and it has not been arrived at lightly, but sadly I can't see how, given the nature of the case and all that goes along with it how it can remain now.



www.forum.wronglyaccusedperson.org.uk/series-on-cases-from-sandra-leans-book-no-smoke/luke-mitchell-wrongly-convicted-of-murder-general/150/
« Last Edit: March 07, 2022, 07:46:39 PM by Nicholas »
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Offline Nicholas

Re: Sandra's exit - The real reasons
« Reply #580 on: March 07, 2022, 07:54:26 PM »
But this dispute and that note, the demand that one is no longer able to hold those case files, that stripping of POA is not down to CM it is down to LM. In the exact same fashion as to that which has happened of late. It is not these other supporters, it is not CM, these are ultimately the actions of LM. They are his case files, his permission only to give and strip POA and not his mothers.

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Offline Nicholas

Re: Sandra's exit - The real reasons
« Reply #581 on: March 07, 2022, 07:59:52 PM »

As, there was very little hope of success with SCCRC, one tells us this and the next step forward ultimately to get the word out there, to sway public opinion and gain attention another way, by means of putting it all out there in that book. Flatlined, dead in the water, without LM and his mother? MOJO was to be the next hope, but they state clearly that their offices were merely to "provide storage for those case files" Which actually makes sense, these files in reality, should have always been in a secure place should they not have? Not simply stored in one's house in the middle of a scheme? A bedroom/make shift study? SL tells of that visitor to her door, to then getting security cameras to her house, so nothing there to protect any files before this then? No security. Which as anyone knows, hold very sensitive material? Perhaps they were under lock and key, perhaps not.

They didn’t look like they were ‘under lock and key’ in that TV show
Who wants to take on this great massive lie?” Writer Martin Preib on the tsunami of innocence fraud sweeping our nation

Offline Nicholas

Re: Sandra's exit - The real reasons
« Reply #582 on: March 07, 2022, 08:03:13 PM »
Let us be realistic here, those pop ins from SL over the time there (MOJO), served dual purpose once more, did it not? Still putting together content for that book. Where we are told that it came about by another stranger posing that question to her, getting  it all down in writing and hey presto, within months that book is written! The first draft she tells us was not satisfactory (Did LM not approve of the first?), to then have it ready for press and released by '18'

Is this what she says in her second book?

Did the killer ever read the draft?

She alleged in one of the podcasts he hadn’t read IB
Who wants to take on this great massive lie?” Writer Martin Preib on the tsunami of innocence fraud sweeping our nation

Offline Nicholas

Re: Sandra's exit - The real reasons
« Reply #583 on: March 07, 2022, 08:09:54 PM »
Let us be realistic here, those pop ins from SL over the time there (MOJO), served dual purpose once more, did it not? Still putting together content for that book. Where we are told that it came about by another stranger posing that question to her, getting  it all down in writing and hey presto, within months that book is written! The first draft she tells us was not satisfactory (Did LM not approve of the first?), to then have it ready for press and released by '18'

Is this what she alleges in her book?
« Last Edit: March 08, 2022, 06:22:06 PM by Nicholas »
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Offline Nicholas

Re: Sandra's exit - The real reasons
« Reply #584 on: March 07, 2022, 08:13:16 PM »

Stir crazy, the influx of support, people willing to charge through the streets on horseback (I kid you not!)

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