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Offline Nicholas

Re: The Bambers: Murder at the farm - Sky Crime documentary
« Reply #180 on: September 22, 2021, 09:37:18 AM »
’Psychopaths feel personal satisfaction through pulling the so-called strings and making people jump.

They do something that they know will upset you just to see you cry. They trap you into no-win situations to watch you squirm. They devalue and discard you, so they can watch you fall apart.

https://lovefraud.com/psychopaths-as-puppet-masters/

I note with interest your views, beliefs and understandings regarding the relationship between Jeremy and myself.

I would like to add that our 'friendship' ended solely due to the lies and self seeking antics of Tracy Brazier from the Innocent Group.   Her behaviour I found to be unsettling and most disturbing - I found myself on unfamiliar territory when having to defend myself against her lies in order to discredit me in the eyes of Jeremy and the Campaign.

Jeremy chose to question me regarding the false accusations made against me and when I felt him lying to me down the phone I chose to walk away from him.  He did not drop me - I dropped him!!

He was someone for whom I strongly believed was wrongly imprisoned, he was alone and the nation had turned their back on this 'child killer'.  I did what I could at the time, for many years, but I should honestly add it is nothing compared to what others have done recently using the web and new technology.

When our 'friendship' ended I was deeply saddened......and I was concerned for his own well being having become more aware of the 'new' people surrounding him.  Liars, self seeking and deluded bamberettes and clever manipulators.....but I could do nothing more to help him.  Whenever I informed him of 'their' antics he tried to assure me he knew exactly what these people were like and described alot of them just as I have here.

However, after almost 20 years of befriending this man, it came as somewhat of a relief to let others take over.  I felt responsible for him for many years and it was a weight lifted the day we parted.  Today, I only hope that those around him stay, as I did, when all else is lost.

I hold no resentment against Jeremy and will not attempt to make him out to be someone he is not.  I don't feel it necessary to post his letters, our photo's etc......it was a strange relationship at the time, as he was in prison, but during our time together he was a most decent and respectable man.

I have come to believe and understand that Jeremy makes decisions based solely upon the information he receives from other in the outside world.  If the information he receives comes from somebody who dislikes me or feels threatened by my position, then the information about me will be most negative. And, if that person can have Group members support her lies, by also writing to Jeremy, then I don't stand a chance.  I refused to play the game and walked away.  Quite happily.

Should he ever be released, then he will have to come and see me as I still hold his most valuable possessions from his family.....and his own.  The truth comes out in the end.....one may just have to wait many years, but I'm in no rush at all!

I hope this gives some insight into those 20 years and gives answers to questions so far unanswered.


Theroux believes the convicted killer will "probably take issue with parts" of his latest series.

"Whether or not you believe he did it, he's on a campaign to have himself freed," he says.

"I think he'd appreciate the fact we've done a nuanced and forensic view, but we've clearly included material that undermines or disputes that (campaign).
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https://news.sky.com/story/louis-theroux-examines-jeremy-bamber-murders-and-reveals-why-legit-people-believe-five-time-killer-is-innocent-12406985
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Offline Nicholas

Re: The Bambers: Murder at the farm - Sky Crime documentary
« Reply #181 on: September 22, 2021, 10:46:05 AM »
Will the forthcoming docu series interview Kerry Beckley - seemingly the most recent person to ‘assess’ Bamber behind bars?
https://www.casemine.com/judgement/uk/5fa0f3cd2c94e007ea88dce4
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Re: The Bambers: Murder at the farm - Sky Crime documentary
« Reply #182 on: September 22, 2021, 11:25:56 AM »
Why does David James Smith ‘always cite’ this when it’s not true?

Carol Ann Lee - Mail on Sunday - 11th July 2015
‘….the psychiatrist engaged by Bamber’s defence team said that his very real belief that he had not committed the murders was a prime reason for diagnosing him as a psychopath.’
‘If ever there was a psychopath, it’s Jeremy Bamber.’


David James Smith worked for the CCRC reviewing Criminal convictions.

If he’s wrong on this what else has he been wrong on?

David James Smith July 2021 speech given at the University of Sussex’s crime and research centres annual public lecture is quite interesting

It can be found here http://www.sussex.ac.uk/crime/newsandevents under the photograph of DJS where it reads,

Click here for transcript of David James Smith talk: Barriers to Investigating Miscarriages of Justice’

On page 3 of the transcript it states,

‘I met my first victim of a miscarriage of justice many years ago, when I wrote about him for the Sunday Times Magazine. I went to see him in a high security prison where he was serving a long sentence after being convicted of blasting his girlfriend’s parents to death with a shotgun at close range.
I would usually counsel against making judgments like this – because I don’t really think you can tell who is capable of murder or can believe someone who tells you they haven’t committed a murder when the law says they have. I think you should judge on the facts and the law and not on gut instinct. But a less likely murderer than Jonathan Jones is almost impossible to imagine.
Jones was a mild-mannered and softly spoken young man, perhaps a bit unworldly and disorganised. He said he had been in Kent when the parents of his girlfriend, Cheryl Tooze had been killed with a shotgun at their remote home in South Wales in July 1993


In February 2017 via The Justice Gap online magazine owned and run by Jon Robins, David James Smith stated, under the bold byline, ‘Factually innocent

‘I know people say it’s always the quiet ones and that we all have it in us, in the right circumstances but, really, a less likely murderer than Jones it is difficult to imagine. Even the trial judge thought so, and, controversially, said so.
https://www.thejusticegap.com/proof-magazine-truth-justice-like-truth-journalism-indivisible/

Having done a ‘deep dive’ into the material available online - I’m of the firm view Harry and Megan Tooze were murdered by Jonathon Jones who went on to marry Harry and Megan’s daughter - Cheryl Tooze - now known as Cheryl Jones.

http://www.homepage-link.to/justice/jones/index.htm

It was Cheryl who ran the public campaign to overturn Jonathon Jones murder conviction.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/tenacious-fiancee-triumphs-as-her-lover-is-cleared-of-farmhouse-shotgun-killing-1306788.html

Will be interesting to see if David James Smith appears in the forthcoming Mindhouse TV docu series. He was involved in the BBC’s doc on the murder of Jill Dando, which apparently was made to mark the 20th anniversary of her death.

David has a close interest in criminal justice and served five years (2013-2018) as a Commissioner at The Criminal Cases Review Commission, appointed by HM The Queen to oversee investigations into miscarriages of justice. http://www.davidjamessmith.net/about/
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Re: The Bambers: Murder at the farm - Sky Crime documentary
« Reply #183 on: September 22, 2021, 12:27:40 PM »
David James Smith July 2020 speech given at the University of Sussex’s crime and research centres annual public lecture is quite interesting

It can be found here http://www.sussex.ac.uk/crime/newsandevents under the photograph of DJS where it reads,

Click here for transcript of David James Smith talk: Barriers to Investigating Miscarriages of Justice’

On page 3 of the transcript it states,

‘I met my first victim of a miscarriage of justice many years ago, when I wrote about him for the Sunday Times Magazine. I went to see him in a high security prison where he was serving a long sentence after being convicted of blasting his girlfriend’s parents to death with a shotgun at close range.
I would usually counsel against making judgments like this – because I don’t really think you can tell who is capable of murder or can believe someone who tells you they haven’t committed a murder when the law says they have. I think you should judge on the facts and the law and not on gut instinct. But a less likely murderer than Jonathan Jones is almost impossible to imagine.
Jones was a mild-mannered and softly spoken young man, perhaps a bit unworldly and disorganised. He said he had been in Kent when the parents of his girlfriend, Cheryl Tooze had been killed with a shotgun at their remote home in South Wales in July 1993


In February 2017 via The Justice Gap online magazine owned and run by Jon Robins, David James Smith stated, under the bold byline, ‘Factually innocent

‘I know people say it’s always the quiet ones and that we all have it in us, in the right circumstances but, really, a less likely murderer than Jones it is difficult to imagine. Even the trial judge thought so, and, controversially, said so.
https://www.thejusticegap.com/proof-magazine-truth-justice-like-truth-journalism-indivisible/

Having done a ‘deep dive’ into the material available online - I’m of the firm view Harry and Megan Tooze were murdered by Jonathon Jones who went on to marry Harry and Megan’s daughter - Cheryl Tooze - now known as Cheryl Jones.

http://www.homepage-link.to/justice/jones/index.htm

It was Cheryl who ran the public campaign to overturn Jonathon Jones murder conviction.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/tenacious-fiancee-triumphs-as-her-lover-is-cleared-of-farmhouse-shotgun-killing-1306788.html

Will be interesting to see if David James Smith appears in the forthcoming Mindhouse TV docu series. He was involved in the BBC’s doc on the murder of Jill Dando, which apparently was made to mark the 20th anniversary of her death.

David has a close interest in criminal justice and served five years (2013-2018) as a Commissioner at The Criminal Cases Review Commission, appointed by HM The Queen to oversee investigations into miscarriages of justice. http://www.davidjamessmith.net/about/

I communicated briefly with David James Smith in early 2019.

I don’t know if it was a coincidence when the CCRC removed the link to convicted/exonerated killer Michael O’Brien’s video they’d collaborated with him on, after I mentioned it to David but the link stopped working very soon after. (It’s still available to watch here https://wearestraightline.com/video/11-years-wrongly-imprisoned-michaels-story and via the CCRC’s Facebook page here https://en-gb.facebook.com/criminalcasesreview/posts/ccrc-weve-posted-a-new-ccrc-film-on-our-website-we-made-it-with-national-prison-/791665714290789/)

I didn’t know much about David James Smith at the time and certainly wasn’t aware of the following https://blackwatertown.wordpress.com/2010/12/05/how-to-make-a-comeback-from-being-burned-at-the-stake/ from 2010 but it would be interesting to know why he has always cited Bamber as never having been diagnosed as a psychopath.

David James Smith
A fascinating thing about him that I always cite, is that Jeremy Bamber has no diagnosis of being mentally ill or a psychopath. To all intents and purposes he is as normal as you and me. He charms people still and wins them over to his cause. He is a fascinating study of the essence of investigating miscarriages of justice. He is what it’s all about. The claim and counter claim, the obscuring of the truth, the complexity and ambiguity of the evidence, the lingering suggestion of police impropriety.

More excerpts here  ⬇️
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=8088.msg660808#msg660808

I’d also like to know how, when and why “Reader, I have no idea” morphed into “Reader you decide” ?

David James Smith
July 2021

’I remember saying at the end of the article I wrote that I had no idea of his innocence or guilt. I had put the case for and against and now it was up to readers. “Reader you decide”, I wrote quite grandly.

July 2010
I had said on the way in that I feared I would find him repulsive, but in the event, I found him all too human and understandable. Except for the part of him that I felt was hidden. The corner of his soul that carried the knowledge of what had really happened that night 25 years ago, and who really killed the family.
He knows the truth. And he is the only person in the world who does.
Was it Sheila? Was it Jeremy?
Reader, I have no idea.

http://davidjamessmith.net/pdf_articles/DJS_bamber.pdf
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/the-bamber-murders-and-by-dawn-they-were-all-dead-w[Name removed]sf7rphrf

July 2021 - by David James Smith and Ales Bellotti
‘Killer church warden Ben Field was no ordinary psychopath - as his chilling diaries show'
‘EXCLUSIVE: Gaslighting and manipulating his elderly lovers, evil Ben Field was jailed for murder in 2019. Here, crime writer David James Smith journeys into his dark mind

In his new book Let Us Prey, available on Audible, crime writer David James Smith journeys into his dark mind and the diary entries where he fantasised about smothering the entire neighbourhood.

‘One of the only journalists allowed to interview White House Farm killer Jeremy Bamber in prison, Smith here tells how Field is more "breathtakingly wicked" than any murderer he has ever covered
.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/killer-church-warden-ben-field-24581812

Has David James Smith not recognised Bamber’s ‘gaslighting and manipulating’ over these past 35 or so years and does he not consider Bamber to be ‘breathtakingly wicked’?
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Re: The Bambers: Murder at the farm - Sky Crime documentary
« Reply #184 on: September 22, 2021, 02:13:22 PM »
Michelle Diskin Bates
@Michelle_Diskin
How lovely to meet up with Yvonne Hartley
@Bambertweets
 after so much time, it was great catching up on the Jeremy Bamber campaign. I’m so looking forward to being interviewed for the podcasts very soon Smiling face with 3 hearts
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9:36 am · 18 Sep 2021·Twitter for iPad

https://mobile.twitter.com/Michelle_Diskin/status/1439146211131498496

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Michelle MoJ Diskin Bates
What a lovely meeting we had with Yvonne Hartley about the Jeremy Bamber justice campaign. It was so good to catch up after all this time. I’m looking forward to recording my interview about Barry’s case for the JB podcasts. Also, to speak about my experience of the night those terrible murders took place in White House Farm in 1984.

https://www.facebook.com/michelle.m.diskin

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Offline Nicholas

Re: The Bambers: Murder at the farm - Sky Crime documentary
« Reply #185 on: September 22, 2021, 02:15:24 PM »
Michelle MoJ Diskin Bates
What a lovely meeting we had with Yvonne Hartley about the Jeremy Bamber justice campaign. It was so good to catch up after all this time. I’m looking forward to recording my interview about Barry’s case for the JB podcasts. Also, to speak about my experience of the night those terrible murders took place in White House Farm in 1984.

https://www.facebook.com/michelle.m.diskin

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Michelle Diskin Bates
@Michelle_Diskin
Jeremy Bamber Campaign Team Blog - Mindhouse production is not based on evidence!  https://bambercampaign.blogspot.com
12:50 pm · 16 Sep 2021·Twitter for iPad

Michelle Diskin Bates
@Michelle_Diskin
They contacted me, but obviously my knowledge of this case was not a match for their agenda! So desperately sad that they were not interested in THE TRUTH Crying facePouting face #shameonthem
12:53 pm · 16 Sep 2021·Twitter for iPad

https://mobile.twitter.com/Michelle_Diskin/status/1438470457515200521
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Re: The Bambers: Murder at the farm - Sky Crime documentary
« Reply #186 on: September 22, 2021, 03:20:11 PM »
I wonder during the forthcoming Mindhouse production whether or not Brett Collins will clarify if he knew ‘Ray’ and whether or not he will give the name of the bloke he supposedly rented his flat out to - which was apparently situated ‘below his house?’?

Could ‘Ray’ be the same man who Brett Collins rented his flat out to?

I’ve seen the name, Charles Marsden, but don’t recall who he actually is. Does anyone know?

Whilst searching for some factual evidence last night at someone’s request, I stumbled upon some of Julie Mugford’s witness statements where she discusses Jeremy’s bisexuality.

She said he kept a photo of his NZ lover, Ray, on his dresser and admitted to Julie he’d had a gay affair with him, but it was a “one-off”...

Julie seemed so gullible

She then said how Jeremy flirted with both Brett, including another man at the bar they’d gone to on the NIGHT OF THE FUNERALS.

And did Bamber go from having ‘an affair’ with ‘Ray’ to having ‘an affair’ with Brett Collins ?

And was it these possible ‘affairs’ which Brett Collins was referring to with regards the trouble Bamber had in New Zealand?

Brett Collins to Kay Page (2021)
‘I first met him in New Zealand. I was renting a flat below my house to an air steward who (something) in New Zealand and they both met in Hong Kong.
Jeremy was coming to New Zealand with a diving course and they seemed to get on over a few days. So he invited Jeremy to stay in the flat, which I owned because he was doing international flights which meant he was going to be away for a few weeks. So I met Jeremy when he arrived in Auckland and I let him stay in my flat for about a month.
‘We did get on very well.. Jeremy actually bisexual and he could swing both ways depending on what mood he was in.
Originally there was more to our friendship when I first met him because I was bisexual also

https://www.dropbox.com/s/cz3kitv4d4xsh5i/Brett%20interview.pdf?dl=0
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Re: The Bambers: Murder at the farm - Sky Crime documentary
« Reply #187 on: September 22, 2021, 03:45:40 PM »
Carol Ann Lee referring to the girl from the Chequers public house

’She told detectives in 1985 that she had suddenly found herself in Jeremy’s bedroom with him, ‘on top of me having intercourse’.

‘The following day, the girl wondered whether she had been drugged. Feeling ‘shocked, angry and abused’ after hearing that Jeremy had told Julie about the episode, she called at the cottage while Jeremy was working. Julie recalled the girl describing a threesome and, when she confronted Jeremy, he told her that the girl was neurotic. Leaving Julie sobbing in the garden, he returned later and charged at the locked door, splintering it. Julie decided to believe him and broke off her friendship with the girl as he asked.

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=zV3WCwAAQBAJ&pg=PA94&lpg=PA94&dq=charles+marsden+essex&source=bl&ots=jQISI3Diw_&sig=ACfU3U1i336DTUwUTlMThBe2M3Xntg_NJA&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwil_JK6psXpAhW-QhUIHRPOAwkQ6AEwBHoECAQQAQ#v=onepage&q=charles%20marsden%20essex&f=false

Julie didn’t mention the word ‘threesome’ in her statement dated 10th September 1995 in relation to Sarah

The relevant page is ‘Sheet 11’ here ⬇️
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=283.msg4960#msg4960

‘Sheet 12’ of Julie Mugford statement reads,

I asked him why he had smashed the door and he told me he was upset that I should believe a girl from the village who I did not know and not him about the three in a bed incident.’

The word ‘threesome’ appears at the top of ‘Sheet 11’ of Julie Mugford’s witness statement and she uses the words ‘three in a bed incident’ to describe what happened to Sarah

Carol Ann Lee has also somehow misconstrued the ‘relationship’ between Sarah and Julie Mugford?

‘Jeremy’s second liaison was with another friend of Julie’s..
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=zV3WCwAAQBAJ&pg=PA94&lpg=PA94&dq=charles+marsden+essex&source=bl&ots=jQISI3Diw_&sig=ACfU3U1i336DTUwUTlMThBe2M3Xntg_NJA&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwil_JK6psXpAhW-QhUIHRPOAwkQ6AEwBHoECAQQAQ#v=onepage&q=charles%20marsden%20essex&f=false

Julie Mugford makes it clear on the same ‘Sheet 11’ of her police witness statement

Last summer I was approached by a girl called Sarah who was an associate of Charles MARSDEN

What Carol Ann Lee describesd as a ‘liaison’ appears to me to be another violent crime

I’m of the view Julie Mugford may have recognised the significance of the above ‘incident’ at some point
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Offline Nicholas

Re: The Bambers: Murder at the farm - Sky Crime documentary
« Reply #188 on: September 22, 2021, 05:54:11 PM »
The address details for Progressing Prisoners Maintaining Innocence or PPMI for short - found here on right http://www.prisonersmaintaininginnocence.org.uk/our-committee/  are for Swain and Co solicitors in Havent, Hampshire here https://www.swainandco.com/

http://www.prisonersmaintaininginnocence.org.uk/our-work/

dean kingham
@deankingham
A very good 2018 for the
@SwainSolicitors
 prison law team. Highlights include cat a downgrades, convictions quashed, innocent people released by the Parole Board, accused individuals found not guilty. 2019 will be better. I have a feeling Bamber and Stone will have good years.
1:04 AM · Jan 1, 2019·Twitter for iPhone

https://mobile.twitter.com/deankingham/status/1079906216472653824

Progressing Prisoners Maintaining Innocence (PPMI) website

The committee which’s makes up PPMI is as follows:

Chair:- John Stokes
Vice-Chair: Dean Kingham (Solicitor, Parole Board Lead for the Society of Prison Lawyers)
Treasurer:- Gerry McFlynn (Irish Commission for Prisoners Overseas)
Secretary:- Sue Stephens

PPMI (Progressing Prisoners Maintaining Innocence)
@PPMI_Innocence
#JeremyBamberisFactuallyInnocent |
@Bambertweets
@JBamberFacebook
@ccrcupdate
 | For a factual update on this case,
@ApplePodcasts
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‎Show Jeremy Bamber and White House Farm, Ep New Application to the Criminal Cases Review Commission - Mar 16, 2021
podcasts.apple.com
2:02 PM · Aug 8, 2021·Twitter Web App

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I’m guessing Swain and co, PPMI or Dean Kingham won’t be taking part in the forthcoming doc?
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Offline Nicholas

Re: The Bambers: Murder at the farm - Sky Crime documentary
« Reply #189 on: September 22, 2021, 06:39:25 PM »
Looks like her... along with Peter Sutherst, some other supporter, David Boutflour, Brett Collins and a cheapo Blue Peter WHF model made from cardboard, sticky-backed plastic and plasticine...

Chris Bews too by the looks of it
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Offline Nicholas

Re: The Bambers: Murder at the farm - Sky Crime documentary
« Reply #190 on: September 22, 2021, 06:46:26 PM »
Jeremy Bamber
@Bambertweets
Eight pointed starEight pointed starEight pointed starNEWEight pointed starEight pointed starEight pointed starNEWEight pointed starEight pointed starEight pointed starNEWEight pointed starEight pointed starEight pointed starNEWEight pointed starEight pointed starEight pointed star
Michael O'Brien
@michael47478285
 was wrongly convicted of murdering a Cardiff newsagent in 1988 and served 11 years in prison, 7 of those were with Jeremy Bamber
Have a listen:
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/presentation-by-michael-obrien/id1555731881?i=1000536227757
#JeremyBamber #WhiteHouseFarm
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Offline Myster

Re: The Bambers: Murder at the farm - Sky Crime documentary
« Reply #191 on: September 22, 2021, 07:15:27 PM »
Chris Bews too by the looks of it
Better not keep changing his mind about which of them saw what.  8(8-))
It's one of them cases, in'it... one of them f*ckin' cases.

Offline Myster

Re: The Bambers: Murder at the farm - Sky Crime documentary
« Reply #192 on: September 22, 2021, 07:27:05 PM »
Michelle MoJ Diskin Bates
What a lovely meeting we had with Yvonne Hartley about the Jeremy Bamber justice campaign. It was so good to catch up after all this time. I’m looking forward to recording my interview about Barry’s case for the JB podcasts. Also, to speak about my experience of the night those terrible murders took place in White House Farm in 1984.

https://www.facebook.com/michelle.m.diskin

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I'm sure it was in 1972... but then again it might have been in 1998... or was it 2001?  *%87   My memory isn't what it used to be... Sheesh, I'll have to look it up.
It's one of them cases, in'it... one of them f*ckin' cases.

Offline Nicholas

Re: The Bambers: Murder at the farm - Sky Crime documentary
« Reply #193 on: September 22, 2021, 07:36:56 PM »
I'm sure it was in 1972... but then again it might have been in 1998... or was it 2001?  *%87   My memory isn't what it used to be... Sheesh, I'll have to look it up.

She doesn’t care - this is all about her ‘experience’  *&^^&
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Re: The Bambers: Murder at the farm - Sky Crime documentary
« Reply #194 on: September 22, 2021, 07:41:27 PM »
Is Liberty Hyde one of Yvonne Hartley’s pseudonyms?

Liberty Hyde
It was so lovely to see you and catch up on all the news. I'm very much looking forward to seeing you again very soon, and to your interview. Thank you for your kindness, friendship, hospitality and support. Xxx

(Comment under the original Facebook post)

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