The Bambers: Murder at the farm - Sky Crime documentary

[Nicholas]

Obtaining money by deception is a criminal offence

Brett Collins (April 2021) on Anji (Angela) Greaves

’She posed as Jeremy’s sort of other girlfriend but it wasn’t her at all it was her younger sister

‘Nobody knows this until now

For around 36 years Brett Collins has sat on this

Seemingly so has Bamber

What does Bamber tell his supporters?

What have Anji and Virginia Greaves said about this over the years? Who have they told?

Excerpt from Roger Wilkes 2020 updated version of ‘Blood Relations’

‘Anji described Julie as childish, possessive and a gold-digger.

Is this what Bamber was telling Anji and how much was that ‘substantial’ payment she received for her fake news story?

I was giving him the love in bed she should have been giving him,’she told the paper. ‘She was just giving him mouth.’

Julie Mugford refused to allow Bamber to touch her following the murders!

Was Bamber telling the Greaves sisters Julie wouldn’t have sex with him?

’Anji Greaves appeared at Sir David Napley’s office in Covent Garden a few days after Bamber’s first remand appearance. Sir David received her with courtesy, but explained that he was personally unable to take the case on a legal aid basis. However, he did introduce her to one of his partners, a young solicitor called Paul Terzeon. Sir David explained that Terzeon would take the case on the firm’s behalf, and that he personally would review the papers before the proceedings to commit Jeremy Bamber for trial.

What were Bamber’s legal team told about Virginia and Anji (Angela) Greaves?

And where are the Greave sisters and why aren’t they supporting Bamber’s claims of innocence?

[Nicholas]

Has Bamber focused on Julie Mugfords NOW deal to keep attention away from Anji and Virginia Greaves

Anji Greaves, who according to Brett Collins sold a fake news story to a newspaper - meaning she obtained money by deception - which is fraud

Virginia Greaves who may have perjured herself?

‘Anji described Julie as childish, possessive and a gold-digger.

Why would Anji say this about Julie Mugford - what exactly gave her this impression?

[Nicholas]

Has Bamber focused on Julie Mugfords NOW deal to keep attention away from Anji and Virginia Greaves

Anji Greaves, who according to Brett Collins sold a fake news story to a newspaper - meaning she obtained money by deception - which is fraud

Virginia Greaves who may have perjured herself?

‘Anji described Julie as childish, possessive and a gold-digger.

Why would Anji say this about Julie Mugford - what exactly gave her this impression?

And apparently Anji Greaves married sometime after the murders in 1985

[Nicholas]

And apparently Anji Greaves married sometime after the murders in 1985

- I too am a bit confused about the Anji | Virginia situation because while Brett said they pretended it was Anji he was having an affair with because V was getting married, I've not found anything to prove this. BUT I do know that Anji DID get married in 1985. That entire thing baffles me. 

I wonder how Anji feels for calling Julie ‘childish, possessive and a gold-digger’ ?

And I wonder how her future husband felt about her saying this ⬇️

I was giving him the love in bed she should have been giving him,’she told the paper. ‘She was just giving him mouth.’

The Sun interview was given in 1986 when Anji Gresves would have been a newly wed

From "The Murders at White House Farm" by Carol Ann Lee...

Anji Greaves had waited for the verdict in a hotel not far from Chelmsford with two friends and a journalist. Her room was decorated with ‘Welcome Home, Jeremy!’ banners, and she wore her glitziest outfit, with a bag packed; the journalist intended to write Jeremy’s story when he was acquitted and then hustle the couple off on holiday. But when the television news delivered the outcome, Anji walked out in a daze, narrowly avoiding being run over. She told the journalist: ‘I feel so much loyalty for Jeremy but I do not know if I can bring myself to go on visiting now. It could be a life sentence for both of us.’

Where was Anji’s new husband going to be whilst she was hustled off on holiday with Bamber?

I have located both of them under their new names - but neither will speak to me.

I suspect the reason they won’t speak is through their possible fear

Maybe they feel a similar fear to how Julie Mugford may have felt before she spoke to the police back in 1985?

[Nicholas]

Of course there are and Brett Collins and the Greave sisters are 3 of them

Bamber would have behaved the same way with them as he did with Julie Mugford

Bamber’s goal regarding the Greave sisters was to manipulate, dominate and control them

Brett Collins doesn’t appear to want to talk about his involvement with those photos yet doesn’t seem to mind appearing in a Sky TV docuseries showing off his Porsche

[Nicholas]

He’s a psychopath AA

In my honest opinion, he’s not.  I wouldn’t have spent 18yrs with him if I thought he was.

Don’t believe everything you read.

It’s all part of the character assassination.  Smoke and mirrors.

I was at a dinner in central london for business woman of the year (I was only a guest, nothing more).

At the table I was sat with someone who worked at the solicitor’s defending him.  As a teenager I wanted to be a solicitor but my family couldn’t afford it, so I couldn’t follow my dream.

We sat and discussed jeremys case as When I followed the case on the news it didn’t add up. I was curious. I’d never heard of a miscarriage of justice and I asked if I could write to him.  I really had no other motive than to know the truth I suppose...I don’t know.

So I wrote to him.  I gave the solicitors address. He replied and we carried on writing. I eventually gave my own address and it went from there.

Early days compared to everyone else.  I knew him in 1990.

Aunt Agatha if you knew Bamber from 1990 and were together for 18

What about the following - from Roger Wilkes book ‘Blood Relations’

‘A third such liaison met a similar fate. In 1991 a pretty 18-year-old retail trainee from Yorkshire, Nikky O’Hare, became interested in Bamber’s case and began writing to him. She visited him frequently in prison, and became involved in his efforts to have his case referred to the appeal court. In December 1992, her story appeared in a rival Sunday paper. The young woman claimed Bamber had made her pregnant during ‘steamy four-times-a-week sex sessions behind bars’ but that she had lost the child through a miscarriage. These ‘sessions’ had taken place during visiting hours. Miss O’Hare had been given accreditation to visit Bamber as a member of his defence team, and this entitled the couple to meet in a private interview room. ‘It was just a ruse for us to have sex,’ Bamber was reported as saying. The young woman in question was said to be considering a career in the police force or prison service.

[Myster]

I guess it beats having it off in the loo of a plane flying into turbulence on the way to Oz... or maybe sex-mad Bamber and his floosie caused it to shake uncontrollably.

[Nicholas]

Aunt Agatha if you knew Bamber from 1990 and were together for 18

What about the following - from Roger Wilkes book ‘Blood Relations’

‘A third such liaison met a similar fate. In 1991 a pretty 18-year-old retail trainee from Yorkshire, Nikky O’Hare, became interested in Bamber’s case and began writing to him. She visited him frequently in prison, and became involved in his efforts to have his case referred to the appeal court. In December 1992, her story appeared in a rival Sunday paper. The young woman claimed Bamber had made her pregnant during ‘steamy four-times-a-week sex sessions behind bars’ but that she had lost the child through a miscarriage. These ‘sessions’ had taken place during visiting hours. Miss O’Hare had been given accreditation to visit Bamber as a member of his defence team, and this entitled the couple to meet in a private interview room. ‘It was just a ruse for us to have sex,’ Bamber was reported as saying. The young woman in question was said to be considering a career in the police force or prison service.

I guess it beats having it off in the loo of a plane flying into turbulence on the way to Oz... or maybe sex-mad Bamber and his floosie caused it to shake uncontrollably.

The misogynistic term ‘floosie’ describes a female - It’s possible Bamber was ‘having it off’ with a male



‘The young woman claimed Bamber had made her pregnant

‘but that she had lost the child through a miscarriage

‘It was just a ruse for us to have sex,’ Bamber was reported as saying.

Is this ⬆️ a true story or fake news - does anyone know?

And could Bamber ‘father children’ ?

Further excerpt from Roger Wilkes book Blood Relations
’JEREMY BAMBER SAID that he had jilted Julie Mugford, and now Geoffrey Rivlin needed to prove it to the jury. At the start of his cross-examination, he drew from Julie the admission that she had been in love with Jeremy Bamber, and that she had wanted very much to marry him. There was some doubt over whether Jeremy could father children, she said, but throughout the first flush of the romance, marriage remained a serious possibility. However, she added, at the time of the killings at White House Farm in August 1985, she was unhappy with Jeremy. ‘I was either extremely upset with him, or happy with him,’ Julie explained. ‘It was very erratic.’ Even after she had denounced Jeremy to the police, she remained in love with him. As she put it: ‘I loved him, but I didn’t know whether I could live with him or be with him. But my emotion towards him didn’t change, apart from the fact that I found it difficult to be physically close to him. There was a terror that now had been created. I still loved him.’

[Myster]

The misogynistic term ‘floosie’ describes a female - It’s possible Bamber was ‘having it off’ with a male

No, she was a floosie... or a very well-disguised transmooslie...

[Nicholas]

No, she was a floosie... or a very well-disguised transmooslie...

Bamber lies

This could have been one of the male air stewards

[Myster]

Bamber lies

This could have been one of the male air stewards

Most likely the product of a very vivid imagination trying to impress his latest gullible correspondent.

[Nicholas]

Most likely the product of a very vivid imagination trying to impress his latest gullible correspondent.

He’s triangulating whoever he wrote to

[Nicholas]

I have to say that this doc was has been a bit of a damp squib all round.

It's just a patchwork of talking heads telling their personal stories. 

What do make of the way the ‘patchwork’ has been pieced together - like for example when Barbara Wilson says something like Bamber had falling in with the wrong crowd then the next clip is of a plane and airport and then
Brett Collins?

And Carol Ann Lee lumping Julie all in with the caravan burglary but then Mick Ainsley then being filmed saying she was sat outside in the car?

How do you think people like Brett Collins and Carol Ann Lee will feel about the way it’s been edited and presented and how they’ve been portrayed?

[Nicholas]

Most likely the product of a very vivid imagination trying to impress his latest gullible correspondent.

When and how did Bamber meet the air steward who apparently rented the flat below Brett Collins house in New Zealand ?

[Nicholas]

Is there any evidence Jeremy Bamber ever used a food mixer?

Maybe Bamber’s analogy came from someone like Trudi? 🙄

He didn’t say anything like this during his murder trial