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Offline Brietta

Re: The known facts and the speculations featuring Brueckner, the prime suspect
« Reply #1035 on: February 23, 2022, 11:46:30 AM »
Sceptics simply cannot move on. They are stuck in 2007 where trivial non-issues like who stood where on the pavement and Gerry allegedly swearing on an airport bus are of more significance than the fact that there was a known rapist and paedophile operating in the area, someone with a declared interest in taking and abusing a small child for days.  Sceptics don’t want to know about that, they want to know why Kate and Gerry were photographed smiling outside a church and why Kate didn’t rush the twins to hospital that night, and why Gerry said front door if he meant patio door, all questions which are not keeping any of the German or British police awake at night, I’m pretty certain.

I don't think there is one of us so called "supporters" who isn't aware that the case against Brueckner hinges on the sum of the evidence against him and whether or not prosecutors can combine that evidence into proof which will be tested and decided in a court of law.

Anecdotally Brueckner appears to be a reprehensible character and the offenses of which he has been convicted tend to reinforce that assessment - but that doesn't make him a child murderer.  That will require proof and a judicial decision and the information emanating from Germany is that the police are certain that they have the evidence and that thy have been working for over five years in getting it.

I truly fail to grasp why there is a problem with that or why police investigations into everyone and anyone who is not Kate and Gerry McCann causes such furore.
The suspects being investigated are all innocent even before any process of elimination ahs been conducted or patsies as the police investigation is derided.

The question is what is the difference in the police actions in the normal run of things when a suspect is taken in for questioning.  Are they all patsies or is that defence reserved for those questioned in the McCann case - with of course the dishonourable exception of those who have been denied the presumption of innocence from the word go.


 
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline G-Unit

Re: The known facts and the speculations featuring Brueckner, the prime suspect
« Reply #1036 on: February 23, 2022, 11:47:01 AM »
So,  if it was Amaral finding all this out about CB,  would you stil have the same thoughts.

Well, if Brueckner's 'friend' is to be believed the Portuguese police ignored him too.

Busching had tried to report his concerns to the Portuguese police but had been fobbed off.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12638463/witness-mccann-guilty-christian-b/

Strange how all these people claim the Portuguese police ignored them, don't you think? It seems to be the stock answer to the question as to why they share their information a) late and b) with the MSM.
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Offline Brietta

Re: The known facts and the speculations featuring Brueckner, the prime suspect
« Reply #1037 on: February 23, 2022, 11:54:22 AM »
Or, why did they take notice when Jes Wilkins, the Smiths, Roman Stem, Lance Purser and Derek Flack approached them, but allegedly ignored the Totmans and Jayne Jensen? Funny, that imo.

Were Mrs Fenn and Mr and Mrs Moyes liars too?

Why do you think your post is relevant to the topic of Brueckner - please share.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: The known facts and the speculations featuring Brueckner, the prime suspect
« Reply #1038 on: February 23, 2022, 12:03:38 PM »
Well, if Brueckner's 'friend' is to be believed the Portuguese police ignored him too.

Busching had tried to report his concerns to the Portuguese police but had been fobbed off.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12638463/witness-mccann-guilty-christian-b/

Strange how all these people claim the Portuguese police ignored them, don't you think? It seems to be the stock answer to the question as to why they share their information a) late and b) with the MSM.
Not strange, just incompetent.  The PJ disregarded or downgraded information which did not fit with the narrative they had built around the case.  They're not the only police force to do this and they won't be the last, why do you find this difficult to accept? 
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline Lace

Re: The known facts and the speculations featuring Brueckner, the prime suspect
« Reply #1039 on: February 23, 2022, 12:36:32 PM »
Well, if Brueckner's 'friend' is to be believed the Portuguese police ignored him too.

Busching had tried to report his concerns to the Portuguese police but had been fobbed off.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12638463/witness-mccann-guilty-christian-b/

Strange how all these people claim the Portuguese police ignored them, don't you think? It seems to be the stock answer to the question as to why they share their information a) late and b) with the MSM.

Why did they fob him off?

Was it because Amaral had drummed into them that it was the McCann's?   He wrote a book detailing why he knew it was the McCann's. 

Offline G-Unit

Re: The known facts and the speculations featuring Brueckner, the prime suspect
« Reply #1040 on: February 23, 2022, 12:51:43 PM »
Why did they fob him off?

Was it because Amaral had drummed into them that it was the McCann's?   He wrote a book detailing why he knew it was the McCann's.

I don't know if the Portuguese police fobbed anyone off, but you can believe those claims if it suits your stance.
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: The known facts and the speculations featuring Brueckner, the prime suspect
« Reply #1041 on: February 23, 2022, 01:32:15 PM »
I don't know if the Portuguese police fobbed anyone off, but you can believe those claims if it suits your stance.
Why are you so resistant to the possibility that a number of witnesses were fobbed off by the Portuguese police?  There’s plenty of evidence to support this view.
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Offline The General

Re: The known facts and the speculations featuring Brueckner, the prime suspect
« Reply #1042 on: February 23, 2022, 01:36:25 PM »
I don't know if the Portuguese police fobbed anyone off, but you can believe those claims if it suits your stance.
I wonder how many time wasters, bums, cranks and divvies HCW has fobbed off during the course of his ongoing investigation?
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Offline barrier

Re: The known facts and the speculations featuring Brueckner, the prime suspect
« Reply #1043 on: February 23, 2022, 02:37:04 PM »
I wonder how many time wasters, bums, cranks and divvies HCW has fobbed off during the course of his ongoing investigation?


Well how many of these had something of note, had to have helped the concrete to harden surely.

Madeleine McCann: Police receive 270 calls and emails after appeal for information about latest suspect


https://news.sky.com/story/madeleine-mccann-police-receive-270-calls-and-emails-after-appeal-for-information-about-latest-suspect-12000758
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Offline The General

Re: The known facts and the speculations featuring Brueckner, the prime suspect
« Reply #1044 on: February 23, 2022, 03:43:31 PM »

Well how many of these had something of note, had to have helped the concrete to harden surely.

Madeleine McCann: Police receive 270 calls and emails after appeal for information about latest suspect


https://news.sky.com/story/madeleine-mccann-police-receive-270-calls-and-emails-after-appeal-for-information-about-latest-suspect-12000758
So 268 then.
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Offline sadie

Re: The known facts and the speculations featuring Brueckner, the prime suspect
« Reply #1045 on: February 23, 2022, 04:45:47 PM »
Sceptics simply cannot move on. They are stuck in 2007 where trivial non-issues like who stood where on the pavement and Gerry allegedly swearing on an airport bus are of more significance than the fact that there was a known rapist and paedophile operating in the area, someone with a declared interest in taking and abusing a small child for days.  Sceptics don’t want to know about that, they want to know why Kate and Gerry were photographed smiling outside a church and why Kate didn’t rush the twins to hospital that night, and why Gerry said front door if he meant patio door, all questions which are not keeping any of the German or British police awake at night, I’m pretty certain.


Re the importance of the positions of Gerry and Jez on the pavement, you obviously missed this post VS.

You are a very intelligent person, so please take the time to read it and check what I am saying on GE maps and street scene.


Had Gerry and Jez been standing higher up the road, the abduction would probably not have taken place.  
The watcher on the balcony did not realise that Gerry was still on the scene because a wall blocked his view of them





Quote from: Brietta on February 21, 2022, 11:40:26 AM

   
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The "positions" being adopted might be an internet game, obsession or crusade for some but it should be realised this concerns the true lives of Madeleine and her parents.


The positions are vitally important Brie.  Vitally to a sleuth/investigator

Had Gerry and Jez been standing further up the hill, a watcher on the balcony opposite would have been able to see them - and events would have happened differently.   


No go-ahead for the abduction, because the getaway car, parked conveniently for the watcher on that little car park opposite Tapas reception, would have had to drive past G and Jez. to pick up Tannerman and Madeleine



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Because a corner of block 4 was sticking out about 6 feet beyond the balcony, his view was blocked in a southerly direction.    He could not see the two men, G and J, when they stood in the road at the entrance to the alleyway.

He thought that it was all clear,   so he gave the go ahead for the abduction.

Can you see the reason why (some) posters on here are so keen to lie and try and change facts.


The above is all in my carefully considered opinion.


An opinion which no-one on here (excepting Anthro and maybe a couple of others) care to consider.
 
Anthro is a very clever slueth and considers all angles and all the details.  Furthermore she is flexible and happy to change direction considering new things, rather than get stuck in a rut, as some have here


Thank goodness SY took notice of my findings.

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: The known facts and the speculations featuring Brueckner, the prime suspect
« Reply #1046 on: February 23, 2022, 05:53:18 PM »
Hi Sadie, thanks for your reply.  As SY seem to be of the opinion that the man seen by JT was an innocent holiday maker I don’t see how they would be interested in the relative positions of Gerry or Jez at the time JT passed them, sorry.
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline Mr Gray

Re: The known facts and the speculations featuring Brueckner, the prime suspect
« Reply #1047 on: February 23, 2022, 06:06:13 PM »

Re the importance of the positions of Gerry and Jez on the pavement, you obviously missed this post VS.

You are a very intelligent person, so please take the time to read it and check what I am saying on GE maps and street scene.


Had Gerry and Jez been standing higher up the road, the abduction would probably not have taken place.  
The watcher on the balcony did not realise that Gerry was still on the scene because a wall blocked his view of them





Quote from: Brietta on February 21, 2022, 11:40:26 AM

   

The positions are vitally important Brie.  Vitally to a sleuth/investigator

Had Gerry and Jez been standing further up the hill, a watcher on the balcony opposite would have been able to see them - and events would have happened differently.   


No go-ahead for the abduction, because the getaway car, parked conveniently for the watcher on that little car park opposite Tapas reception, would have had to drive past G and Jez. to pick up Tannerman and Madeleine



~~~~~

Because a corner of block 4 was sticking out about 6 feet beyond the balcony, his view was blocked in a southerly direction.    He could not see the two men, G and J, when they stood in the road at the entrance to the alleyway.

He thought that it was all clear,   so he gave the go ahead for the abduction.

Can you see the reason why (some) posters on here are so keen to lie and try and change facts.


The above is all in my carefully considered opinion.


An opinion which no-one on here (excepting Anthro and maybe a couple of others) care to consider.
 
Anthro is a very clever slueth and considers all angles and all the details.  Furthermore she is flexible and happy to change direction considering new things, rather than get stuck in a rut, as some have here


Thank goodness SY took notice of my findings.
Im certainly stuck in a rut... The rut of following the available evidence.... I think thats quite a sensible rut to be in

Offline G-Unit

Re: The known facts and the speculations featuring Brueckner, the prime suspect
« Reply #1048 on: February 23, 2022, 06:09:44 PM »
Why are you so resistant to the possibility that a number of witnesses were fobbed off by the Portuguese police?  There’s plenty of evidence to support this view.

What does this plentiful evidence consist of?
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

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« Reply #1049 on: February 23, 2022, 06:24:45 PM »
What does this plentiful evidence consist of?
Interviews given by numerous witnesses who were ignored by the Portuguese police that have appeared in the media, I suppose you don’t consider that evidence?
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