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Offline Carana

Russia - Ukraine war
« on: March 02, 2022, 08:53:19 AM »
Thoughts?

Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Russia - Ukraine war
« Reply #1 on: March 02, 2022, 01:27:41 PM »
Thoughts?
Quite a few, none of them very positive or helpful sadly.
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Offline Carana

Re: Russia - Ukraine war
« Reply #2 on: March 04, 2022, 09:28:47 PM »
Former MI6 Chief On the Ukraine & Russia Conflict | Oxford Union
Mar 1, 2022

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yw5lzKVn3sc

Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: Russia - Ukraine war
« Reply #3 on: March 06, 2022, 10:28:05 AM »

Putin‘s Power & Western Impotence - David Starkey

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=he25Rl0fE1c

I stand with Putin. Glory to Mother Putin.

Offline G-Unit

Re: Russia - Ukraine war
« Reply #4 on: March 09, 2022, 10:59:29 AM »
Putin‘s Power & Western Impotence - David Starkey

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=he25Rl0fE1c

Fascinating. Communist Russia has always been aware also that the West; particularly America, capitalism's greatest champions, would never be willing to take a live and let live approach to communism. Another reason for it's leaders to make sure they had the means to defend themselves.
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Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Russia - Ukraine war
« Reply #5 on: March 09, 2022, 12:03:14 PM »
Fascinating. Communist Russia has always been aware also that the West; particularly America, capitalism's greatest champions, would never be willing to take a live and let live approach to communism. Another reason for it's leaders to make sure they had the means to defend themselves.
do you view Russia’s invasion of a sovereign state as self defence?
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Russia - Ukraine war
« Reply #6 on: March 09, 2022, 01:43:37 PM »
do you view Russia’s invasion of a sovereign state as self defence?

No, but that's an explanation for why they haven't neglected spending on their military as Starkey says the UK has.
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Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Russia - Ukraine war
« Reply #7 on: March 09, 2022, 02:46:47 PM »
No, but that's an explanation for why they haven't neglected spending on their military as Starkey says the UK has.
You talked about the Russians defending themselves as a reason for their milatary spending.  Defending themselves from what exactly?  Was the West threatening to invade them and I missed it?  The West has surely been caught napping by being dumb and naive and way too trusting obviously.  Things will be different in the future, if there is one, and there’s now no guarantees of that thanks to Russia and their “defence spending”.
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Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Russia - Ukraine war
« Reply #8 on: March 09, 2022, 04:55:47 PM »
Russia appears to be pursuing the same strategy as that which it adopted alongside Assad’s regime in Syria, namely bombing hospitals as seen today with the bombing of a children’s hospital in Mariupol.  Putin is obviously trolling the west in the hope of getting a rise out of us and giving him an excuse to bomb us into oblivion too.  Very defensive I’m sure, killing sick children.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian–Syrian_hospital_bombing_campaign
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Offline Myster

It's one of them cases, in'it... one of them f*ckin' cases.

Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Russia - Ukraine war
« Reply #10 on: March 09, 2022, 06:49:47 PM »
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Putin the psycho in Syria 2019... https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/13/world/middleeast/russia-bombing-syrian-hospitals.html

Putin the psycho in Ukraine 2022... https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10593177/Ukraine-war-Russia-reopens-evacuation-routes-besieged-cities.html#comments
The Russians will of course blame Ukraine for bollowing up theor own hospitals and babies, the ultimate victim blamers (it’s no wonder they’re popular with one or two of the posters on here).
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Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Russia - Ukraine war
« Reply #11 on: March 09, 2022, 07:01:52 PM »
“As of yesterday morning 760 people fleeing from Ukraine had been admitted to Britain. Ireland, with a 12th of our population, had taken 2,500. The European Union has instituted a visa-free scheme for three years for any Ukrainian citizen. By contrast we will only grant visas to immediate family of those already here and even that stance was the reluctant and gradual product of political pressure.”
What a shameful country the UK has become.
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Offline Erngath

Re: Russia - Ukraine war
« Reply #12 on: March 09, 2022, 07:28:29 PM »
“As of yesterday morning 760 people fleeing from Ukraine had been admitted to Britain. Ireland, with a 12th of our population, had taken 2,500. The European Union has instituted a visa-free scheme for three years for any Ukrainian citizen. By contrast we will only grant visas to immediate family of those already here and even that stance was the reluctant and gradual product of political pressure.”
What a shameful country the UK has become.

Perhaps , not a shameful country the UK has become but a shameful Conservative Westminster government.
Deal with the failings of others as gently as with your own.

Offline G-Unit

Re: Russia - Ukraine war
« Reply #13 on: March 10, 2022, 07:54:58 AM »
“As of yesterday morning 760 people fleeing from Ukraine had been admitted to Britain. Ireland, with a 12th of our population, had taken 2,500. The European Union has instituted a visa-free scheme for three years for any Ukrainian citizen. By contrast we will only grant visas to immediate family of those already here and even that stance was the reluctant and gradual product of political pressure.”
What a shameful country the UK has become.

As members of DCFTA since 2016, Ukrainians haven't needed visas to enter EU Schengen countries.
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Re: Russia - Ukraine war
« Reply #14 on: March 10, 2022, 08:25:03 AM »
As members of DCFTA since 2016, Ukrainians haven't needed visas to enter EU Schengen countries.

https://www.etiasvisa.com/etias-requirements/ukrainians
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