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Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: Russia - Ukraine war
« Reply #270 on: April 30, 2022, 11:33:33 AM »

Oh great...

Better fill the fuel tank & stock the fridge-freezer now before oil hits $200 a barrel.

The people who will suffer as a result of this nonsense are us.


European Union likely to approve Russian oil embargo next week: report

Embargo expected to be announced in new sanctions package against Moscow


European Union countries next week are likely to approve a phased embargo on Russian oil, dealing a significant economic blow to Moscow over its invasion of Ukraine, The New York Times is reporting.

The newspaper, citing EU officials and diplomats involved in the discussions, reported that ambassadors will meet Wednesday to go over a finalized proposal, and the expectation is they will approve the measures by the end of next week.

As the oil embargo is phased in, the European countries will turn to increased imports from Persian Gulf countries, Nigeria, Kazakhstan and Azerbaijan, The New York Times reports.

In addition, a fresh wave of EU sanctions will target Russia’s largest bank, Sberbank, and several high-profile Russians, the officials added.

The Wall Street Journal earlier reported that a full ban on Russian oil was possible after Germany changed its stance this week.

The reversal from Germany, which had been one of the main opponents of the EU severing oil and gas trade with Russia, comes after Berlin struck a deal with Poland to import oil by way of one of its Baltic Sea ports, according to that report. 

On Wednesday, Germany’s representatives to the EU lifted their objection to a Russian oil embargo under the assumption the country had enough time to find alternative supplies, two German government officials who spoke to the newspaper said. 

The EU reportedly pays state-controlled Russian firms around $1 billion a day for energy.   

Around 12% of Germany's current oil supplies come from Russian imports, down from 35% at the beginning of the Ukraine war, according to German Economy Minister Robert Habeck.

https://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/european-union-russian-oil-embargo
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« Reply #271 on: April 30, 2022, 12:02:38 PM »

Russian operation in Ukraine contributes to freeing world from Western oppression - Lavrov


It is obvious that the collective West’ attempts to hinder the natural course of history, to solve its problems at the expense of others are doomed, the minister said

Russia's special military operation in Ukraine is contributing to liberating the world from Western neocolonial oppression, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said in an interview with the Xinhua news agency.

"It is obvious that the collective West’ attempts to hinder the natural course of history, to solve its problems at the expense of others are doomed," the minister said, "Today's world has several centers of decision-making, it is multipolar. We see how dynamically Asian, African and Latin American countries develop. Everyone has a real freedom of choice, including ways of development and participation in integration projects. Our special military operation in Ukraine also contributes to the process of freeing the world from the West’s neocolonial oppression, which is densely mixed with racism and an exceptionality complex."

As Lavrov noted, today we are talking not about a new Cold War, but about "the persistent desire of Washington and its satellites, who think of themselves as 'masters of human destiny,' to impose an American-centric model of the world order." "It has gotten to the point where a Western minority is trying to replace the UN-centric architecture and international law formed as a result of World War II with its own ‘rules-based’ order. Washington and its allies write these very rules themselves and then impose them on the international community as obligatory for implementation", the Russian foreign minister continued.

Destructive US policy

Lavrov stressed that the US has been pursuing a destructive course for decades. The minister, in particular, cited the NATO aggression against Yugoslavia, the attacks on Iraq, Libya, its attempt to destroy Syria, as well as "color revolutions" in a number of countries, including Ukraine. "All this has cost hundreds of thousands of lives and led to chaos in various regions of the planet," he added.

The Russian foreign minister noted that the Westerners are trying "with the most brutal methods" to suppress countries that seek to conduct an independent foreign and domestic policy, and it is not only about Russia.

"We can see how ‘bloc thinking’ is being imposed in the Asia-Pacific region. Look at the so-called Indo-Pacific strategy promoted by the US, which has a clear anti-Chinese orientation," Lavrov pointed out, "In the spirit of the archaic Monroe Doctrine, the US seeks to dictate how and by what standards to live in Latin America. This explains the long-standing illegal trade embargo against Cuba, sanctions against Venezuela, and attempts to ‘sway’ stability in Nicaragua and some other countries. The continuing pressure on Belarus is also along these lines. This list could be continued."

According to the Russian minister, the sooner the West comes to terms with the new geopolitical realities, "the better it will be for itself and for the whole international community." "As Chinese President Xi Jinping emphasized at the Boao Forum, 'We [have to] <…> uphold the principle of indivisible security, build a balanced, effective and sustainable security architecture, and oppose the pursuit of one's own security at the cost of others' security,'" Lavrov concluded.

https://tass.com/politics/1445755
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Re: Russia - Ukraine war
« Reply #272 on: April 30, 2022, 01:02:12 PM »

Russia FM asks US, NATO to stop supplying arms to Ukraine

Sergey Lavrov, in an interview with Xinhua, says the US and NATO should stop arming Ukraine if they are interested in resolving the crisis.


Russia’s foreign minister has again urged the United States and NATO to stop supplying Kyiv with arms if they are “really interested in resolving the Ukraine crisis”, Chinese state media has reported.

“If the US and NATO are really interested in resolving the Ukraine crisis, then first of all, they should wake up and stop supplying the Kyiv regime with arms and ammunition,” Sergey Lavrov said in an interview with China’s official Xinhua news agency.

The US and several European countries have supplied weapons worth billions of dollars to Ukraine in its fight against Russian aggression. US President Joe Biden has asked Congress for $33bn to support Ukraine.

Moscow has repeatedly warned Washington against continuing its military assistance to Kyiv, accusing the US of “pouring oil on the flames” of the war.

The Kremlin had previously called Western arms deliveries to Ukraine a threat to European security.

Months into an invasion that failed in its short-term aim of capturing Kyiv, Moscow is now intensifying operations in Ukraine’s eastern Donbas region.

But Lavrov told China’s official Xinhua news agency that the “special military operation … is proceeding strictly according to plan”.

China has avoided condemning Russia’s invasion of Ukraine and defends its firm friendship with Moscow, with state media often echoing the Russian line on the war.

Russia said Western sanctions and arms shipments to Ukraine are hampering peace negotiations. Lavrov said the talks continue – but that progress is difficult.

Ukraine’s President Volodymyr Zelenskyy told Polish journalists that chances were “high” talks to end the conflict could end without any agreement.

“The risks that the talks will end are high because of what they (the Russians) have left behind them, the impression that they have a playbook on murdering people,” Interfax news agency quoted Zelenskyy as telling Polish journalists.

The shaky talks have not been held in person for a month.

Western sanctions

The West has imposed wide-ranging sanctions largely cutting off Russia’s financial sector from the global economy. Hundreds of multinational corporations have also exited Russia in the wake of the war in a blow to its economy.

European countries have pledged to cut reliance on Russian gas to deprive Moscow of revenue.

In his interview with Xinhua, Lavrov said that Russia could “retool” its economy to guard against potential “unlawful hostilities”.

He added that the sanctions-hit country will focus on moving away from the US dollar and lean less on imports, while boosting its tech independence, Xinhua reported.

Moscow has pursued a “de-dollarisation” policy for several years, calling on partners such as China and India to conduct payments in other currencies.

Meanwhile, Ukrainian prosecutors say they have pinpointed more than 8,000 war crimes and are investigating 10 Russian soldiers for suspected atrocities in Bucha, where dozens of bodies in civilian clothes were found following Moscow’s retreat.

Moscow denies the claims.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/4/30/russia-fm-urges-us-nato-to-halt-kyiv-arms-supply-state-media
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Offline Carana

Re: Russia - Ukraine war
« Reply #273 on: April 30, 2022, 01:52:54 PM »
NGO's, dangling the carrot of EU & NATO membership for years, & what we're Joe Biden & his son up to over there, strictly honest business I'm sure. U.S senators were there interfering, encouraging & supporting uprising. The U.S encourage revolutions all around the world when there are financial & strategic gains to be made.

Are you referring to Oliver Stone's documentary or whatever it is?

Putin has him eating of his hand.

Ukraine

In December 2014, Stone made statements supporting the Russian government's narrative on Ukraine, portraying the 2014 Ukrainian revolution as a CIA plot. He also refutes the claim that former Ukrainian president (who was overthrown as a result of the 2014 Ukrainian revolution) Viktor Yanukovych was responsible for the killing of protesters as claimed by the succeeding Ukrainian government. Stone said Yanukovych was the legitimate president who was forced to leave Ukraine by "well-armed, neo-Nazi radicals". He said that in "the tragic aftermath of this coup, the West has maintained the dominant narrative of ’Russia in Crimea’ whereas the true narrative is ’USA in Ukraine’".[192][193][194][195][196][197] The University of Toronto's Stephen Velychenko, the author of several books on Ukrainian history, and James Kirchick of The Daily Beast criticized Stone's comments and plans for a film (Ukraine on Fire, 2016).[198][199] In March 2022, shortly after Russia invaded Ukraine, Stone criticized the action, concluding "Russia was wrong to invade."[200]
Russia

In a June 2017 interview with The Nation to promote his documentary on Vladimir Putin, Stone rejected the consensus findings of the United States’ intelligence agencies that Russia sought to influence the 2016 presidential election. Stone accused the CIA, FBI, and NSA of cooking the intelligence. He said: "The influence on the election from the Russians to me is absurd to the naked eye. Israel has far more influence on American elections through AIPAC. Saudi Arabia has influence through money... Sheldon Adelson and the Koch brothers have much more influence on American elections... And the prime minister of Israel comes to our country and addresses Congress to criticize the president's policy in Iran at the time—that's pretty outrageous."[201]

Russia passed a law in 2013 banning the targeting of minors in the propagandizing of homosexuality.[202] In a 2019 interview with Putin, Stone said of the law that "It seems like maybe that's a sensible law". Stone later said he's not anti-gay/LGBTQ.[203][204]

Stone voluntarily took the Russian Sputnik V vaccine for the COVID-19 virus, despite being a decade older than the recommended maximum age for it. He also said it was "madness" that their vaccine was being ignored, and further added, "Russia’s been one of the most advanced countries, if not the most advanced country."[205]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oliver_Stone#Political_views



Offline Carana

Re: Russia - Ukraine war
« Reply #274 on: April 30, 2022, 02:05:03 PM »
It might be worth reading a bit about what Euromaidan was about.

The protests were sparked by the Ukrainian government's sudden decision not to sign the European Union–Ukraine Association Agreement, instead choosing closer ties to Russia and the Eurasian Economic Union. Ukraine's parliament had overwhelmingly approved of finalizing the Agreement with the EU,[81] while Russia had put pressure on Ukraine to reject it.[82] The scope of the protests widened, with calls for the resignation of President Viktor Yanukovych and the Azarov Government.[83] The protesters opposed what they saw as widespread government corruption, the influence of oligarchs,[84] abuse of power, and violation of human rights in Ukraine.[85] Transparency International named Yanukovych as the top example of corruption in the world.[86] The violent dispersal of protesters on 30 November caused further anger.[5] The Euromaidan led to the 2014 Revolution of Dignity.

(...)

The demonstrations began on the night of 21 November 2013, when protests erupted in the capital, Kyiv, after the Ukrainian government rejected draft laws that would allow the release of jailed opposition leader Yulia Tymoshenko and suspend preparations for signing the Ukraine–European Union Association Agreement with the European Union, to seek closer economic relations with Russia.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euromaidan

Offline Carana

Re: Russia - Ukraine war
« Reply #275 on: April 30, 2022, 02:12:19 PM »
On Yanukovych :

... This private opulence was all paid for with public money. Embezzlement in the Yanukovych era is said to have taken the form of theft, corruption in public procurement, rigged energy prices, and misuse of carbon-emissions allowances. 

Yanukovych and his associates, known as ‘the Family’, are believed to have embezzled as much as $37 billion and stashed it in bank accounts and company shares around the world, including in EU countries such as Austria, Latvia, Cyprus, Italy, and the Netherlands. 

In 2014 the EU put in place sanctions including visa bans and asset freezes against Yanukovych and his associates. These sanctions played a significant role in supporting the Ukrainian government in its efforts to restore the rule of law and were expected to lead to the successful confiscation and restitution of the stolen assets held in Europe to Ukraine. However, seven years down the line, little has been achieved in terms of asset recovery while the number of individuals subject to sanctions has declined  from the 22 individuals sanctioned initially to just eight today.

This points to several shortcomings in the way both sanctions and asset recovery work in the EU. 

...


https://transparency.eu/corruption-opulence-and-decadence-in-ukraine/
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Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: Russia - Ukraine war
« Reply #276 on: April 30, 2022, 03:09:08 PM »

Yes yes Carana, it was a revolution of dignity with not a hint of any outside interference anywhere, & definitely not a coup.
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Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: Russia - Ukraine war
« Reply #277 on: April 30, 2022, 03:22:07 PM »

Even when the dignified protesters armed themselves & stormed government buildings,  still wasn't a coup, just a dignified revolution & the USA had nothing to do with promoting & supporting any of it, anywhere.

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Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: Russia - Ukraine war
« Reply #278 on: April 30, 2022, 03:25:23 PM »

"Russia passed a law in 2013 banning the targeting of minors in the propagandizing of homosexuality"

Based Putin.

It's much better in the western world where we teach kids that there's no such thing as gender & you can just pick which sex you are depending on which way the wind blows.
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Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: Russia - Ukraine war
« Reply #279 on: April 30, 2022, 03:40:36 PM »

When Trump supporters disagreed with the election & stormed the capitol building, that was an attempted insurrection & as bad as 9/11 or Pearl Harbour, but when Ukranians do a similar thing it's a dignified revolution!
« Last Edit: April 30, 2022, 03:45:07 PM by Wonderfulspam »
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Offline Wonderfulspam

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« Reply #280 on: April 30, 2022, 03:48:44 PM »


There were millions of Ukranians who didn't go to Maidan square & protest & didn't want to overthrow Yanukovich, but they never got a say in the matter, violent mob rule won the day.

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« Reply #281 on: April 30, 2022, 05:13:13 PM »
Janet Yellen calls for EU caution on Russian energy ban

US Treasury secretary warns full European import embargo on Moscow would dent global growth


APRIL 21 2022

“Medium-term, Europe clearly needs to reduce its dependence on Russia with respect to energy, but we need to be careful when we think about a complete European ban on say, oil imports,”

She said an immediate ban by the EU would “clearly raise global oil prices” and “would have a damaging impact on Europe and other parts of the world”. Yellen added that “counter-intuitively”, a total embargo may not have such a negative impact on Moscow’s finances, with Russia benefiting from higher prices.

The focus of western allies should instead be on trying to reduce “proceeds from sales of oil and gas” for Russia. “If we could figure out a way to do that, without harming the entire globe through higher energy prices that would be ideal. And that’s a matter that we’re all trying to get through together,” she said.

https://www.ft.com/content/0738a816-cb3c-44f9-9257-7a8489bf4c9c


The EU are intent on storming ahead with a Russian oil embargo, despite warnings this would plunge us into recession & enormous oil prices.

Brilliant, we won't be able to afford food or petrol, but it's worth it for Ukraine though, just utterly ridiculous.

Where's the referendum in Britain or Europe for whether the public agree with starving themselves & losing their jobs, all in support of Ukraine?

EU leaders are acting like, well, Putin really.
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Offline Carana

Re: Russia - Ukraine war
« Reply #282 on: April 30, 2022, 05:25:03 PM »

When Trump supporters disagreed with the election & stormed the capitol building, that was an attempted insurrection & as bad as 9/11 or Pearl Harbour, but when Ukranians do such a thing it's dignified revolution!

Come one, it's not the same thing at all.

The Ukrainian parliament had overwhelmingly voted in favour of the EU-Ukrainian Association Agreement, but Putin put pressure on the then corrupt president to prevent it, resulting in his last-minute refusal to sign it.


Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: Russia - Ukraine war
« Reply #283 on: April 30, 2022, 05:30:44 PM »
Come one, it's not the same thing at all.

The Ukrainian parliament had overwhelmingly voted in favour of the EU-Ukrainian Association Agreement, but Putin put pressure on the then corrupt president to prevent it, resulting in his last-minute refusal to sign it.

It is the same thing.

The people attempted to take matters into their own hands, violently.

If non brexiteers stormed parliament because they disagreed with the decision they'd have been thrown in prison.

Ukraine is a divided country & we have no business arming it or having anything to do with it really.

Leave the plebs to fight it out among themselves.
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Russia - Ukraine war
« Reply #284 on: May 01, 2022, 08:08:51 AM »
From today’s Sunday Times
#DFTT

Putin fixer’s troll factory’ turns fire on social media and pop stars
Research has found the president’s ally may be behind pro-Kremlin propaganda on a bizarre variety of platforms

April 28 2022, 12.01am
A Russian troll factory has spread lies about the war in Ukraine across social media platforms including Twitter, Facebook, YouTube and TikTok, according to research commissioned by the government.

Liz Truss, the foreign secretary, said: “We cannot allow the Kremlin and its shady troll farms to invade our online spaces with their lies about Putin’s illegal war. The UK government has alerted international partners and will continue to work closely with allies and media platforms to undermine Russian information operations.”

The multilingual disinformation campaign has been detected across all the biggest social media companies. However, the attacks are centred on Telegram, Instagram and YouTube. On TikTok, which is most popular with teenage users, the British-backed researchers found so-called influencers being paid to amplify pro-Kremlin narratives about the war in Ukraine, using the same “Z” branding as the Russian armed forces.

The disinformation campaign urges users to target mainstream western media outlets and post specific messages about world leaders who oppose the Russian invasion, including Johnson, Olaf Scholz, the German chancellor, and Josep Borrell, the EU foreign affairs chief.

Subscribers to CFZ were urged to disseminate a video that presents Ukrainians as a “Russophobic terrorist organisation” that “tortures and brutally murders in the style of Islamic terrorists”, along with the instruction: “We ask our acquaintances from other countries to do the same.”

A bizarre collection of social media accounts owned by bands and performers were also hit, including the French dance producers Daft Punk and the Dutch DJ Armin van Buuren.

“The Kremlin has been implementing a series of information operations designed to deliver persuasive disinformation and propaganda,” an internal British government report said.

“Some of these information operations are targeting the conflict zone in Ukraine, some are engaging in information control for Russian domestic public opinion management, and others focus upon international audiences.”

It is suspected that the operation is run by Prigozhin, whose life changed dramatically after meeting Putin. He spent nine years in prison in the 1980s for offences including robbery and fraud. When released in 1990, Prigozhin set up a chain of restaurants in St Petersburg and became known as “Putin’s chef” after personally serving dinner to the Russian president and Jacques Chirac, then the president of France.

It was not long before he started carrying out catering for Kremlin banquets. In five years he won government contracts worth more than £2 billion, according to the Anti-Corruption Foundation set up by Alexei Navalny, the jailed critic of the Kremlin.

Western intelligence agencies believe the lucrative contracts were a ploy to hand Prigozhin slush funds to be used in deniable “black operations” around the world.

One of his key tasks is thought to be the provision of funds for the Wagner Group, a shadowy band of 5,000 mercenaries linked to assassinations, election-rigging and cyberwarfare. He denies any link to the organisation.

The group is said to be present in as many as 12 countries, including Sudan, Syria, the Central African Republic, Madagascar and Mozambique.

Wagner’s membership includes citizens of Belarus, Moldova, Serbia and Ukraine, although it is mainly staffed by former Russian soldiers, intelligence officers and criminals.

The Foreign Office has already imposed an asset freeze and travel ban on Prigozhin, saying he was “responsible for significant foreign mercenary activity in Libya and multiple breaches of the UN arms embargo”.

He is also accused of financing the notorious St Petersburg-based Internet Research Agency, a bot factory that supported Donald Trump in the 2016 US election.

Prigozhin allegedly oversaw operations including the creation of hundreds of fictitious online personas and the use of stolen identities. The FBI has said the actions were taken to reach a significant number of US citizens for the purpose of interfering with the country’s political system, including in the 2016 election.

Following the latest discovery, the British government alerted western allies and shared evidence of the disinformation campaign with the social media giants, in an attempt to remove the propaganda from their platforms.

Since the invasion of Ukraine on February 24, the British government has already sanctioned key Kremlin figures for spreading disinformation, including Dmitry Peskov, Putin’s press secretary, and Maria Zakharova, the foreign affairs spokeswoman.

Ministers also approved sanctions against Russian state media organisations, including the Kremlin-funded TV-Novosti which owns RT, formerly Russia Today, and Rossiya Segodnya, which controls the Sputnik news agency.

Nadine Dorries, the culture secretary, said: “These are insidious attempts by Putin and his propaganda machine to deceive the world about the brutality he’s inflicting on the people of Ukraine.

“This evidence will help us to more effectively identify and remove Russian disinformation and follows our decisive action to block anyone from doing business with Kremlin-controlled outlets RT and Sputnik.”
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