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Offline Brietta

Emily Brown
Published 08 May 2022


Former cold-case detective and crime scene investigator Steve Chancellor praised the work of the investigators over the last 15 years and commended the fact that 'no one has thrown their hands up and said, ‘This case can’t be solved".

“They have gone through the process up to the point of finding the vehicle, the site, and gone looking for something. That’s one of the biggest things I teach - you are never going to find something if you don’t look.
I’m very impressed that they have taken the time, gone out there and said ‘We’re not done'," Chancellor added.

https://www.ladbible.com/news/crime-scene-investigator-explains-how-police-may-crack-mccann-case-20220508


It has been a difficult and long time coming but at last investigators are agreed on the identity of a firm suspect in Madeleine's disappearance.

This has to be progress one would think.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Online Eleanor


I'm not saying he isn't.  But I just can't quite bring myself to say that he is.

Offline Brietta

I'm not saying he isn't.  But I just can't quite bring myself to say that he is.

He has been hiding in plain sight since 2007.

We can now put a name to him only by dint of the fact that investigators have spent many years looking for a perpetrator.
Not any perpetrator ~ but one with an appropriate profile and with that profile, supporting evidence.

                  ‘How can you find a person when you are not looking for them?’”.   Isabel Duarte
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/madeleinemccann/7215353/Portuguese-police-ignored-Madeleine-McCann-leads.html
https://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=8490.msg561165#msg561165

The question was asked in 2010 by the McCann lawyer when it was discovered that the Portuguese investigator assigned to Madeleine's case was filing information none of which he considered relevant to the case.
That information was released to become part of the search files.

It seems that the prerequisite that the case can be solved but only by those prepared to look took a very long time to sink in as far as Portugal was concerned.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline faithlilly

He has been hiding in plain sight since 2007.

We can now put a name to him only by dint of the fact that investigators have spent many years looking for a perpetrator.
Not any perpetrator ~ but one with an appropriate profile and with that profile, supporting evidence.

                  ‘How can you find a person when you are not looking for them?’”.   Isabel Duarte
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/madeleinemccann/7215353/Portuguese-police-ignored-Madeleine-McCann-leads.html
https://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=8490.msg561165#msg561165

The question was asked in 2010 by the McCann lawyer when it was discovered that the Portuguese investigator assigned to Madeleine's case was filing information none of which he considered relevant to the case.
That information was released to become part of the search files.

It seems that the prerequisite that the case can be solved but only by those prepared to look took a very long time to sink in as far as Portugal was concerned.

Do we know if any of the information contained in those files did prove relevant?
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Online Eleanor


The mess Portugal made of this hardly bears thinking of.

Offline Brietta

The mess Portugal made of this hardly bears thinking of.
It happened in Portugal and it has been long assumed that the answer would lie in Portugal.  It has and it hasn't.  It took the Germans to make the breakthrough and keep at it to build any sort of a case.
There seems to have been a general disinterest which had it not been so assiduously fostered might well have led to answers many years ago.  The adage that if no-one bothers to look nothing will be found rings true and if so many prominent and well respected individuals such as Moita Flores spend their retirements banging a particular drum who can blame the people being influenced by them?


Analysis
by Alison Roberts, BBC Portugal correspondent

The Madeleine McCann case has been out of the news in Portugal for some time, and in the last few years almost all developments have emerged from the prosecutor's office in Germany.

This latest news has been widely reported, though in some cases not very prominently and with few details.

Virtually everyone in Portugal knows about the case, though, with many having for months if not years followed the ins and outs. Not only the various criminal investigations, but the civil case in which Madeleine's parents, Kate and Gerry McCann sued - ultimately unsuccessfully - the former lead detective on the case, Gonçalo Amaral, after he published a book about it.

He had already attracted a lot of criticism, particularly from British tabloids, which raised some hackles in Portugal, since the Judicial Police, or PJ, is in fact one of the country's most respected institutions.

It's not clear whether or when the Portuguese authorities might charge this or any other suspect in the case.

While there are legal deadlines, the pandemic could be grounds for the courts to rule that more time is allowed.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-61196071
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Brietta

The mess Portugal made of this hardly bears thinking of.

With attitudes such as that promoted by Flores et al prevailing over the years and being constantly revisited ~ is it any wonder they made such a mess of it all.  When their theory didn't do a thing towards finding Madeleine in 2007 why on earth did they think revisiting it constantly would change things?
Didn't it ever occur to them to try a fresh approach which might have produced results?



​McCann Investigator Claims To Know Where And How She Died
Jess Hardiman
Published, 17 March 2018

One criminalist has said that he has 'no doubt' that Kate and Gerry McCann's daughter died in the apartment.

Speaking to Portuguese website Flash!, Moita Flores - who was once involved with the Judiciary Police that conducted the initial search - said: "It was impossible to pass in that window with a child, Maddie died in that house."

He added: "The secret is in that group of people and in the parents who are influential people in the British government."

Flores is a Portuguese crime expert, researcher and writer, whose beliefs also mirror those of police chief Goncalo Amaral, the Daily Mail reports.

Flores continued: "With the 96,000 euros made available by the British government, they did a reconstitution in Praia da Luz, which is the only way to solve the case."

https://www.ladbible.com/news/news-mccann-investigator-claims-to-know-where-and-how-she-died-20180317

"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline sadie

With attitudes such as that promoted by Flores et al prevailing over the years and being constantly revisited ~ is it any wonder they made such a mess of it all.  When their theory didn't do a thing towards finding Madeleine in 2007 why on earth did they think revisiting it constantly would change things?
Didn't it ever occur to them to try a fresh approach which might have produced results?



​McCann Investigator Claims To Know Where And How She Died
Jess Hardiman
Published, 17 March 2018

One criminalist has said that he has 'no doubt' that Kate and Gerry McCann's daughter died in the apartment.

Speaking to Portuguese website Flash!, Moita Flores - who was once involved with the Judiciary Police that conducted the initial search - said: "It was impossible to pass in that window with a child, Maddie died in that house."

He added: "The secret is in that group of people and in the parents who are influential people in the British government."

Flores is a Portuguese crime expert, researcher and writer, whose beliefs also mirror those of police chief Goncalo Amaral, the Daily Mail reports.

Flores continued: "With the 96,000 euros made available by the British government, they did a reconstitution in Praia da Luz, which is the only way to solve the case."

https://www.ladbible.com/news/news-mccann-investigator-claims-to-know-where-and-how-she-died-20180317

IMO, I hope when the time comes that they sue him.

Offline G-Unit

He has been hiding in plain sight since 2007.

We can now put a name to him only by dint of the fact that investigators have spent many years looking for a perpetrator.
Not any perpetrator ~ but one with an appropriate profile and with that profile, supporting evidence.

                  ‘How can you find a person when you are not looking for them?’”.   Isabel Duarte
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/madeleinemccann/7215353/Portuguese-police-ignored-Madeleine-McCann-leads.html
https://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=8490.msg561165#msg561165

The question was asked in 2010 by the McCann lawyer when it was discovered that the Portuguese investigator assigned to Madeleine's case was filing information none of which he considered relevant to the case.
That information was released to become part of the search files.

It seems that the prerequisite that the case can be solved but only by those prepared to look took a very long time to sink in as far as Portugal was concerned.

Are you convinced they have the right person then?
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Offline Brietta

Are you convinced they have the right person then?

Your question is meaningless bearing in mind the context of the thread title.  Wherein the issue was raised about the  inordinate stretch of the years it has taken to reach the stage of the slightest hope that investigators might at last be close to finding out what happened to Madeleine.

Only the evidence will determine who is responsible for this heinous crime and the difficulties thrown in the path of gathering that should never be underestimated for the gargantuan and almost impossible task the passage of the years has made of it.

Madeleine's case is that of a missing child who investigators chose to write off fifteen years ago and whose very active campaigns have ensured the disgrace that she was never properly looked for.

That is the starting point.

Is the German investigation the finishing point?  Are we where we are today because they were able to work the case in total secrecy for a couple of years without spoilers being thrown into the mix?
That is what is worth a thought and not your deflection.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Brietta

IMO, I hope when the time comes that they sue him.
'Solutions' which should have been ephemeral have since the beginning ruled how this missing child case was viewed in the land where it happened and where it was most likely to be resolved.

Individuals such as Moita Flores et al have milked the media for all it is worth based on respect for their previous contact with the Judicial Police but never on evidence for the simple reason there was none.

But all of it put together would appear to have moulded attitudes in Portugal which were detrimental to proper investigation and much of it led by those who were firmly associated with the initial investigation and whose interests do not lie in the developments as they are today.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Online Eleanor

'Solutions' which should have been ephemeral have since the beginning ruled how this missing child case was viewed in the land where it happened and where it was most likely to be resolved.

Individuals such as Moita Flores et al have milked the media for all it is worth based on respect for their previous contact with the Judicial Police but never on evidence for the simple reason there was none.

But all of it put together would appear to have moulded attitudes in Portugal which were detrimental to proper investigation and much of it led by those who were firmly associated with the initial investigation and whose interests do not lie in the developments as they are today.

Why were these supposedly much respected entities so vociferous in their pursuit of The McCanns when there was never any evidence against them?

The whole area was rife with paedophiles who were completely ignored.

And then suddenly, after fifteen years a paedophile is designated as an Arguido.

Offline Wonderfulspam

Are you convinced they have the right person then?

Well they must have, mustn't they?  Unless Wolters is bluffing about the strength of his evidence, but you'd have to be barking mad to believe that.
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Offline G-Unit

Your question is meaningless bearing in mind the context of the thread title.  Wherein the issue was raised about the  inordinate stretch of the years it has taken to reach the stage of the slightest hope that investigators might at last be close to finding out what happened to Madeleine.

Only the evidence will determine who is responsible for this heinous crime and the difficulties thrown in the path of gathering that should never be underestimated for the gargantuan and almost impossible task the passage of the years has made of it.

Madeleine's case is that of a missing child who investigators chose to write off fifteen years ago and whose very active campaigns have ensured the disgrace that she was never properly looked for.

That is the starting point.

Is the German investigation the finishing point?  Are we where we are today because they were able to work the case in total secrecy for a couple of years without spoilers being thrown into the mix?
That is what is worth a thought and not your deflection.

So you decided to ask a question which you aren't prepared to answer? If CB isn't the culprit then criticising the first investigation (again and again and again) isn't yet justified.
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Offline Venturi Swirl

So you decided to ask a question which you aren't prepared to answer? If CB isn't the culprit then criticising the first investigation (again and again and again) isn't yet justified.
I think it most certainly is.  If CB isn't the culprit it doesn't mean that the McCanns are, that's just idiotic. Three police forces with access to far more evidence than you will ever see have concluded it was a stranger abduction.  The likelihood of them all being wrong and the ramshackle initial investigation and a few die hard sceptics being right is incredibly small.  IMO. 
"Surely the fact that their accounts were different reinforces their veracity rather than diminishes it? If they had colluded in protecting ........ surely all of their accounts would be the same?" - Faithlilly