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[Wonderfulspam]

None of we armchair detectives have had sight of any 'actual evidence'.  The German prosecutors are keeping a very tight rein on it all.  One would have thought you were aware of that.

That's if they really have any that is, beyond coincidence, second hand confessions & Brueckner's online bravado.

[Wonderfulspam]

What about adults? Not so much?

Do children become less extraordinary once they reach adulthood?

Where's the cut off point for you exactly, 16, 18?

How about pensioners, at the other end of the scale, how do you feel about them?

Personally I prefer to be unbiased & despise all of humanity equally. It seems somehow fairer to me, I don't mind cats though, kittens right through to geriatrics, I think they're all lovely.

I've always found this to be an interesting philosophical question.

Children are regarded as special & extraordinary, but once they reach a certain age, less so somehow.

Seriously.

Terminating them in utero is socially acceptable, but, if you dare kill one after it plops out, it's regarded as the worst crime imaginable, but then becomes somehow less serious if you do it when they're 37.

I just don't get it, the whole thing seems simply inexplicable to me. Either human life matters from start to finish, or it doesn't surely?

It shouldn't be age depended, that's discrimination.

[misty]

Are you speculating then? You have no actual evidence that someone paid CB to abduct and murder a child?

No, I'm using a previous case involving a paedophile ring to demonstrate that organised crime can indeed involve a third party paying someone to abduct & then murder a child.
There is evidence that CB may have had a substantial windfall during the period after Madeleine's disappearance, which enabled him to purchase the Tiffin Allegro and have some expensive dental work carried out. All this occurred before he reportedly participated in the €100,000 burglary with Nicole F in November 2007. Added to his competence at burglary, an association with people smugglers/drug trafficking networks and an uncanny ability to never be caught committing such serious crimes in Portugal, I can see certain similarities with the Marc Dutroux affair, even if you can't.
People in anti-groups have spent thousands of hours writing about how Gerry not hearing Jane's flip flops as she passed him, Gerry's "missing" blue bag and a solitary cadaver dog's alerts (just a few examples) PROVE that the McCanns disposed of Madeleine's body and every person/organisation connected to them conspired to cover this up.
Now, faced with a suspect/accused who had the means, motive & opportunity to commit this heinous crime, why is it so uncomfortable for you/the anti groups to consider what can be deemed less speculative than a certain ex-detective's book?
 Would you rather I speculate about how spending €50,000 of dirty money to abduct & kill a child could turn into a €500,000 long term gain of clean money for someone?

[Wonderfulspam]

No, I'm using a previous case involving a paedophile ring to demonstrate that organised crime can indeed involve a third party paying someone to abduct & then murder a child.
There is evidence that CB may have had a substantial windfall during the period after Madeleine's disappearance, which enabled him to purchase the Tiffin Allegro and have some expensive dental work carried out. All this occurred before he reportedly participated in the €100,000 burglary with Nicole F in November 2007. Added to his competence at burglary, an association with people smugglers/drug trafficking networks and an uncanny ability to never be caught committing such serious crimes in Portugal, I can see certain similarities with the Marc Dutroux affair, even if you can't.
People in anti-groups have spent thousands of hours writing about how Gerry not hearing Jane's flip flops as she passed him, Gerry's "missing" blue bag and a solitary cadaver dog's alerts (just a few examples) PROVE that the McCanns disposed of Madeleine's body and every person/organisation connected to them conspired to cover this up.
Now, faced with a suspect/accused who had the means, motive & opportunity to commit this heinous crime, why is it so uncomfortable for you/the anti groups to consider what can be deemed less speculative than a certain ex-detective's book?
 Would you rather I speculate about how spending €50,000 of dirty money to abduct & kill a child could turn into a €500,000 long term gain of clean money for someone?

If the venture was so lucrative, how come he didn't carry on doing it, rather than running a kiosk?

I reckon I'd have stuck to abducting kids myself, particurally given how good I was at it.

[Wonderfulspam]

Seriously, run a kiosk 52 weeks a year or commit one child abduction for hundreds of thousands.

I'd pinch one or two kids a year & buy myself something more upmarket to live in than a campervan & a crumbling old derelict box factory myself.

But it takes all sorts I suppose.

Complicated chap Brueckner.

[misty]

If the venture was so lucrative, how come he didn't carry on doing it, rather than running a kiosk?

I reckon I'd have stuck to abducting kids myself, particurally given how good I was at it.

It doesn't exactly provide a regular income, although it is a job "for life". Besides, he nearly got caught in the act imo.
I think the kiosk was useful for laundering some of his drugs income.

[Wonderfulspam]

It doesn't exactly provide a regular income, although it is a job "for life". Besides, he nearly got caught in the act imo.
I think the kiosk was useful for laundering some of his drugs income.

The demand for little girls far outstrips supply surely, they don't go missing very often, & he didn't actually get caught though, even if he did have a close shave he'd have learned his lesson, that after conducting detailed surveillance all week, probably chose a better time to abduct a child rather than precisely when a parent is scheduled to enter the apartment.

[sadie]

What would a paedophile gain by paying for someone else to carry out an abduction and murder?

Dosh !!  Big Dosh.

But they wanted her alive and well, so NO murder.
She was selected and is still alive and well looked after.

[misty]

The demand for little girls far outstrips supply surely, they don't go missing very often, & he didn't actually get caught though, even if he did have a close shave he'd have learned his lesson, that after conducting detailed surveillance all week, probably chose a better time to abduct a child rather than precisely when a parent is scheduled to enter the apartment.

Risk & reward.
The demand for currency far outstrips supply but we don't see banks being robbed on a regular basis.
It's a lot more difficult for a kidnapper to dispose of their victim without being caught than offloading stolen electrical goods or passports. We've never had a proper answer from sceptic fora explaining how they think Gerry achieved it.

[sadie]

One explanation would be that it was to be filmed and then distributed far and wide on the internet for the enjoyment of other paedophiles.
The flaw in that argument would be that no trace of such a film has surfaced in the intervening years - that we know of.

No film, because it never happened.   She was wanted in a pure state

[Wonderfulspam]

Risk & reward.
The demand for currency far outstrips supply but we don't see banks being robbed on a regular basis.
It's a lot more difficult for a kidnapper to dispose of their victim without being caught than offloading stolen electrical goods or passports. We've never had a proper answer from sceptic fora explaining how they think Gerry achieved it.

You've never heard my theory?
I find that hard to believe.
Just think Corrie Mckeague.

[misty]

You've never heard my theory?
I find that hard to believe.
Just think Corrie Mckeague.

I see posts  of yours which change direction more times than a wasp at a picnic.
We have all heard the official line on Corrie's disappearance. Can you explain why people should accept the fact that Corrie's phone last pinging at the waste tip = Corrie was also at the tip? It's quite relevant when compared to CB's phone pings.

[Wonderfulspam]

I see posts  of yours which change direction more times than a wasp at a picnic.
We have all heard the official line on Corrie's disappearance. Can you explain why people should accept the fact that Corrie's phone last pinging at the waste tip = Corrie was also at the tip? It's quite relevant when compared to CB's phone pings.

I read the inquest reports.

The bin weight matched his body weight there abouts & was significantly heavier than it's usual weekly weight (the weight gets registered by the lorry automatically as it's loaded in)
The binman called to the inquest tried claiming he had checked the contents before hooking it onto the lifting mechanism, the coroner wasn't buying it, & even after initial doubt & denial of the possibility, Corrie's mother finally accepted the obvious.

[misty]

I read the inquest reports.

The bin weight matched his body weight there abouts & was significantly heavier than it's usual weekly weight (the weight gets registered by the lorry automatically as it's loaded in)
The binman called to the inquest tried claiming he had checked the contents before hooking it onto the lifting mechanism, the coroner wasn't buying it, & even after initial doubt & denial of the possibility, Corrie's mother finally accepted the obvious.

Wasn't the weight of the bin contents collected the subject of controversy?
You haven't answered the question about the phone. Did police check the back cover from a mobile handset found close to the last ping location for DNA?

[Wonderfulspam]

Yes, someone falsified the bin weight on a form, just wrote the approximate usual weekly weight iirc. Not sure about the dna on the phone, but Corrie was known to sleep in bins, strangely, it all adds up really. Another one I like is Alexis Avila, had a slightly happier ending that one, but she's charged with attempted murder & the child owes it's life to dumpster divers.
If you care to search her name on YouTube, the rather nonchalant way she just lobs it in is quite something.